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Hendrick Pieterzen Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.03.20 19:44:00 - [61] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: You can put shield transporters and remote armor repairers on any vehicle. There are light and heavy versions though. I haven't figured out how to get the heavy ones on the militia LAV yet, but you can put them on the STD I believe, but they are pretty squishy. However you may be referring to the dropsuit armor repair. In which case its only armor that it reps. But even then that function has been disabled apparently, until further notice. OK, thanks for the reply. I must have misunderstood the descriptions in game. I thought that the advanced LAVs have a "built in" capability to repair shields or armor depending on the model. Spending all that time and skill points to get advanced and then having to use up a module slot for repairing does not seem to be worth it.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 236	Posted - 2013.03.26 16:09:00 - [62] - Quote There is some useful discussion in this thread, but is the original post current as of this build? Have you edited it Bojo?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 149	Posted - 2013.03.26 16:58:00 - [63] - Quote recently put ion blasters on my shield/armor lavs talk about nasty
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 149	Posted - 2013.03.26 17:01:00 - [64] - Quote is putting a shield rep on my lav worth the decrease in resistance? thinking about trying it out but not sure
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 711	Posted - 2013.03.26 22:53:00 - [65] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: is putting a shield rep on my lav worth the decrease in resistance? thinking about trying it out but not sure Decrease in resistance?
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 49	Posted - 2013.03.26 23:08:00 - [66] - Quote you running a shield LAV or armor?
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz 162	Posted - 2013.03.26 23:16:00 - [67] - Quote And what kind of LAV? I have a gurista, and it has unbelievably high shield regen (much higher than a Sagaris'). I found out that there's absolutely no need for a booster on that LAV. On other LAVs it depends on a lot of things. Shield boosters are not anywhere near as good as armor reps, and the shield hardener (activated) only lasts for 10sec with a 30sec CD. Armor is much better. Also, armor LAVs have significantly more PG than shield, and the limiting factor on both vehicles for fits is PG. For my regular Saga, I have one with a booster and one without. I'm still undecided on which I like more, so it's up to you. The one w/o a shield booster can take significantly more punishment, but you have to wait a long time for the regen. The booster lets you take hits more often than the one without. In a LAV, it's not always an option to wait for your shield regen like it is in a tank. Yes, it is possible and probably recommended, but there have been times for me where it's optimal to take a beating, use cover to regen shield (w/booster) and then continue on. If you're in a tank and you see people, you can tell if they have swarms or a forge. In a LAV, you have to worry that they might have AV grenades, and the LAV drops significantly faster than a HAV to grenades.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 720	Posted - 2013.03.27 17:32:00 - [68] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: There is some useful discussion in this thread, but is the original post current as of this build? Have you edited it Bojo? The uses of some modules are now less useful now with various nerfs, especially to the Turbines. In honesty there was always better HP and Offensive LAV builds out there but this one has the beauty of being self reliant. This is one built around "Amateur" skills (Um yes I was using Level Five Shield Control and Field Mechanics). It was meant to show the general outline for building. I have various other and more Super fittings but this was a good one to learn the basic use of an LAV. It's meant to get you to teach how to be mobile. Also, this was pre-Torque booster nerf, when you could actually outrun swarms with the Torque booster. The fact of the matter is that this is now probably broken and needs to be changed to keep the general idea of mobility and self reliance, while dropping the nerfed and less than useful modules.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 865	Posted - 2013.04.11 05:54:00 - [69] - Quote UPDATE: I'm working to try and build a good new Attack Methana that can be easily set up for low SP. My conclusion is to drop the shield resistance amplifier. I currently have a Shield Regenerator on it, but those don't help so much. However the alternatives aren't so bright and shiny either. Energized Plating is maybe worth keeping. However, the low SP theme makes me say swap it for 60mm armor, as Armor enhancements is a cheaper skill. I'm going to say that the Crisis is mod is still worth it.
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1414	Posted - 2013.04.11 18:06:00 - [70] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: UPDATE: I'm working to try and build a good new Attack Methana that can be easily set up for low SP. My conclusion is to drop the shield resistance amplifier. I currently have a Shield Regenerator on it, but those don't help so much. However the alternatives aren't so bright and shiny either. Energized Plating is maybe worth keeping. However, the low SP theme makes me say swap it for 60mm armor, as Armor enhancements is a cheaper skill. I'm going to say that the Crisis is mod is still worth it. Crysis who told you what a did I mean nothing

Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 924	Posted - 2013.04.20 04:32:00 - [71] - Quote Updated! New Schematics, new Version! Let's welcome the Attack Methana 2.0! Updated for this current build and hopefully the next to come! We have done testing on this version and it has proved to be well competent for an LAV and very fun! Enjoy!
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 27	Posted - 2013.04.20 04:50:00 - [72] - Quote Heard they're bringing the infantry repair tool back for the logi LAVs. Hope a convoy of these things start to rule the battlefield.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 930	Posted - 2013.04.20 16:37:00 - [73] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Heard they're bringing the infantry repair tool back for the logi LAVs. Hope a convoy of these things start to rule the battlefield. Rumor has it....
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 1195	Posted - 2013.04.20 19:17:00 - [74] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Updated! New Schematics, new Version! Let's welcome the Attack Methana 2.0! Updated for this current build and hopefully the next to come! We have done testing on this version and it has proved to be well competent for an LAV and very fun! Enjoy! I can testify to this new version, i was helping bojo test it, and even ran with it myself with hunter junko a couple of times, and that thing has pretty good survivablilty. and it's a shame i got DC'd that time we were running support for grodd's tank, running convoy was interesting
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 932	Posted - 2013.04.20 19:17:00 - [75] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: If you know of any more useful information and knowledge that you would like to pass on about Light Attack Vehicles primarily used against infantry, feel free to post on this thread. Version 2.0. Thank you to gbghg from L.O.T.I.S, General Grodd from Ahrendee Mercenaries, and a hobo with a minigun. Your help was really useful in the testing! One thousand blessings of grace!
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 1196	Posted - 2013.04.20 19:28:00 - [76] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: If you know of any more useful information and knowledge that you would like to pass on about Light Attack Vehicles primarily used against infantry, feel free to post on this thread. Version 2.0. Thank you to gbghg from L.O.T.I.S, General Grodd from Ahrendee Mercenaries, and a hobo with a minigun. Your help was really useful in the testing! One thousand blessings of grace! I saw it, I saw it (after i posted that, but the point remains) and if you feel like running counter LAV, Installation, or are just suicidal and want to bug a tank, cycled missiles are your friend, high damage, high rate of fire (which is the general counter to appalling accuracy, aka missile's strange spread), the advanced variant can kill a turret quite quickly, the method to do this i'd recommend is use cover to get close to the turret, then charge straight at it, don't even brake, the collision damage won't kill you, and you'll be safely under it's field of fire. Just get your gunner to hold down R1 and then get out as quickly as you can when it's dead. only danger when doing this is enemy infantry so be careful.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 182	Posted - 2013.04.20 23:56:00 - [77] - Quote im just hoping reddit holds some truth to it.. I am finding it hard to believe everything in it.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 939	Posted - 2013.04.22 04:56:00 - [78] - Quote ladwar wrote: im just hoping reddit holds some truth to it.. I am finding it hard to believe everything in it. Ladwar give this fitting a go. I think that the LAV community is small, too small, but this fitting may be a tool of conversion!
Henry FitzEmpress Reaper Galactic 34	Posted - 2013.04.22 14:29:00 - [79] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ladwar wrote: im just hoping reddit holds some truth to it.. I am finding it hard to believe everything in it. Ladwar give this fitting a go. I think that the LAV community is small, too small, but this fitting may be a tool of conversion! I have a very similar fit but it swaps out the torque module for a Carapace hardener. Advanced module so it does not fit with the low SP goal of this build. I agree with the high modules. Once you've fitted the damage control mod, there are slim pickings for the 2nd slot. I jump between the shield resistance and regenerator.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 195	Posted - 2013.04.22 16:09:00 - [80] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ladwar wrote: im just hoping reddit holds some truth to it.. I am finding it hard to believe everything in it. Ladwar give this fitting a go. I think that the LAV community is small, too small, but this fitting may be a tool of conversion! i know, I have been trying but its hard to find it actually worth doing at times. well I have been toying around with numbers and stuff and I say it is possible to fit a Charybdis with extender, a shield booster and remote shield transport(remote shield booster) but you are limited to what turret you can put on. I was left at 266/274 for powergrid after doing this with a ST-1 missile launcher. I did put in this: Local powergrid expansion unit x 2 ST-1 fragmented Azeotropic shield extender light converse shield booster light converse shield transporter supplemental shield amplifier oh ya stats 2168 shield (shield control level 3) armor 623(field mechanics level 4) with that said this cost a lot in terms of sp and the tactic of using it net 0 warpoints.

ladwar Dead Six Initiative 196	Posted - 2013.04.22 16:53:00 - [81] - Quote all right so he I go for an idea fit for a methane my base idea for all LAVs is that 2500raw HP is good for most LAVs more than that your going for tank and heading away from damage which is the difference in having gunner on comms or just going for roadkilling. for the balanced methane lows 60mm plate(whatever you can fit)x1 armor repairer, I used the polarized one carapace armor hardnener( you could replace this with damage mod for more of any attack platform, light ones work best) highs active heat sink(oh shun me now, I know) f45 DMCU- this just for the hardener and replaceable for whatever defense mod you want for me I put on a scattered ion cannon on this now onto defense fully tanked methane, now before I go on there is two idea spinning around, repairs help stay in the fight the other is I can repair it in a safe spot with a repair tool so im going to try and make one for both so beware of this. so first no repairer on is im just going on idea plates x2 hardener DMCU shield resist passive whatever turret fits with this idea in mind I made a LAV with 3447 armor (level 4 field mechanics), im not in favor of this but hey its there if you. with a repairer on 60mm reinforced nanofibre plate polarized armor repairer carapace hardener azeotropic shield extender supplemental shield amplifier( you could replace with a ward shield regenerator but its really your call on this) ST-1 missile launcher now with this you have to have maxed out CPU/PG fitting skills as it comes right on the edge of PG with 3 CPU to play around with.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 941	Posted - 2013.04.22 21:03:00 - [82] - Quote ladwar wrote: i know, I have been trying but its hard to find it actually worth doing at times. Actually when we were testing this, it was pretty worth while. We just did objective hit and runs for the most part, and even had a few car chases (FUN!). The best luggage to bring with this is an HMG in the passenger seat. Anyways we lost few of these and made orbital worthy points, which is fairly good for an LAV.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 1203	Posted - 2013.04.22 21:09:00 - [83] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ladwar wrote: i know, I have been trying but its hard to find it actually worth doing at times. Actually when we were testing this, it was pretty worth while. We just did objective hit and runs for the most part, and even had a few car chases (FUN!). The best luggage to bring with this is an HMG in the passenger seat. Anyways we lost few of these and made orbital worthy points, which is fairly good for an LAV. bojo got around 700 warpoints 1 match, just from assists, SL commision and a few roadkills, i got over 800 wp. pretty good considering we didn't lose an LAV the entire round.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 199	Posted - 2013.04.22 22:12:00 - [84] - Quote I have been testing with a gunnlogi and its been fun. LAVs are fun but the cost makes it not so much. more needs to happen to vehicles before I actually see LAVs as more then faster MLT tanks without the firepower. just been testing a lot and haven't came back to my Charybdis in a while.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 1207	Posted - 2013.04.22 23:57:00 - [85] - Quote Something I just realised, if you decide to go with missiles and have a high enough level in circuitry and combat engineering you can switch the nanofibre plates for polycrystalline plates. Can add about 200 extra armour with field mechanics LV5
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 944	Posted - 2013.04.23 04:00:00 - [86] - Quote gbghg wrote: Something I just realised, if you decide to go with missiles and have a high enough level in circuitry and combat engineering you can switch the nanofibre plates for polycrystalline plates. Can add about 200 extra armour with field mechanics LV5 An alternative is to get Armor Upgrades up to level 4 or five....if you want to keep your blasters, like I do! Also, I think that running Missile Launchers on this will force you to use Circuitry. I did number crunching and this variant shouldn't require any levels in Circuitry but for missiles you would need some.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 202	Posted - 2013.04.23 04:16:00 - [87] - Quote well im only sitting on armor enhancement? level 3, im not an armor guy, im a shield a guy so it was pushing the PG to have nanofibre. well just waiting for the reset to redo the skills some more.
Bojo The Mighty Bojo's School of the Trades 944	Posted - 2013.04.23 04:40:00 - [88] - Quote ladwar wrote: well im only sitting on armor enhancement? level 3, im not an armor guy, im a shield a guy so it was pushing the PG to have nanofibre. well just waiting for the reset to redo the skills some more. To be honest, it must be weird driving sagas...just so weird...I hotwired one one time and it was the lamest fitting, I left it in the sticks to rot...but the Methana is not a shield tanker. I have done it but it destroyed my ability to repair it via module and I can't drive Methanas without armor reps or if they're armor tanked enough. So why do you have Chabrydis and Methanas?
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 202	Posted - 2013.04.23 05:02:00 - [89] - Quote normal sagas are worse ever for driving.. my Charybdis handles like a dream. haven't gone back to see if they were fixed... i have the Charybdis for the fun, its just easier to drive from a survivability side as well as swarms are the second problem for LAVs(AV nades #1) forge are only 3rd because they have a hard time hitting me as i zip along the field but this new av makes me wonder so i have been testing out some methana fits just in case they are a tad OP and i need to know the best tactics to armor LAVs.
Ld Collins On The Brink CRONOS. 0	Posted - 2013.04.23 05:29:00 - [90] - Quote I'm currently using a Methana with a XT Cycled Turret, 9% CPU upgrade, 10% MT DMG, 60 MM armor plate, 11% shield resistance and a shield extender. I use this methana to destroy turret installations my shield is currently 1116 and armor is 2563. It costs me about 290,000 isk to run if I happen to run into an enemy lav or dropship I win every time. My shield control is lvl 2 so if I were to make it to lvl 5 I'd have 1283 shield. I can use my Lav comfortably by myself in a match and get 5-9 kills I use a logi with heavy armor and shield extenders with a armor repairer so I can jump from my turret to my driver seat to heal and still drive away to heal whatever damage my Lav may have received. I've had a setup at one point survive an obital strike my lave was on fire but it didnt explode so I healed it and me and my gunner drove off.



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