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ladwar Dead Six Initiative 5	Posted - 2013.03.03 07:37:00 - [1] - Quote 0 Try Harder wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: since you seem to know all about lavs is using the proto blasters worth it? or should I stick to advanced on my saga Depends on how much you're willing to sacrifice and what your other skill points are. Like Bojo said, proto turrets are expensive. Saga focuses on CPU and is lacking on PG making it easier to fit missiles instead of blasters. You might need a methena to take full advantage of a blaster turret without losing more tank than you feel comfortable losing. It might be possible if you use the best PG upgrades in the low slots of your Saga along with the max PG+ skill. Gurista Saga (the BPO from the voucher) has the same PG/CPU as the normal Saga, but less shield/armor. It has the highest shield recharge of any vehicle I have seen before (40 I believe). Anyways, it might work better using a normal Saga and not the Gurista one (if you have it) so that you can get a little more tank from your vehicle. btw recharge base is 35 and i highly suggest the Gurista saga over the normal Saga as of right now. the saga just has to bad of handling to make up for a slight increase in shielding. this might change if there is a fix on the saga. as it stands its highly prone to rolls/flip/spinout/tossed like a rag doll by mass drivers and larger rounds. yes had a mass driver flip a saga with 2 rounds so... i was really mad at the isk wasted when I couldn't get it to land on it wheels and move away from the HMG fire. the recharge rate is also the fast of any vehicle even shield tanks and helps a ton to return quickly to the battle. that aside Bojo do you plan on making one for the shield one as the link posted is now locked. i do like seing more LAV's. i prefer shield just for swarms are my biggest pain as they are most common AV weapon i run into and would like more update to date suggestions for mine.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 17	Posted - 2013.03.15 03:33:00 - [2] - Quote well i did make to the charybdis and im testing out fitting for it. but for the saga this is what i see works most; azeotropic shield extender, light converse shield booster, supplemental shield amplifier and 2 powergrid expansion units. you can replace the shield amplifier for a shield hardener but just take note that they do only last 10 sec with a 30 cooldown. i fit blasters without much trouble with this. the shield extenders on a methana make it more balanced which isn't bad but the only bad thing is with 2 you have no booster for it and it takes a rather long time to recharge on a armor LAV so you won't be at full hp most of the time meaning you either won't see a big difference or be put out of the fight for a while after each encounter.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 18	Posted - 2013.03.17 07:35:00 - [3] - Quote nope had to do the powergrid upgrades(10%ers) for blasters, but with other two it works just fine. the turrets do make a huge diff but i don't have maxed out pg skills the booster also matters which one you use for the pg they need
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 21	Posted - 2013.03.19 02:19:00 - [4] - Quote just an idea but have you tried a shield repper and shield extender on the high, a armor repper, a cpu upgrade and a armor hardener for the low slots? i just fitted that and it worked for my just on fitting. had about 1000 shield and 1889 armor (the credron methana). it would have both shields and armor and a repper for both. it going to see how works on a normal methana once i get it.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Daringly Inserting Large Dangerous Objects 49	Posted - 2013.03.26 23:08:00 - [5] - Quote you running a shield LAV or armor?
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 182	Posted - 2013.04.20 23:56:00 - [6] - Quote im just hoping reddit holds some truth to it.. I am finding it hard to believe everything in it.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 195	Posted - 2013.04.22 16:09:00 - [7] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ladwar wrote: im just hoping reddit holds some truth to it.. I am finding it hard to believe everything in it. Ladwar give this fitting a go. I think that the LAV community is small, too small, but this fitting may be a tool of conversion! i know, I have been trying but its hard to find it actually worth doing at times. well I have been toying around with numbers and stuff and I say it is possible to fit a Charybdis with extender, a shield booster and remote shield transport(remote shield booster) but you are limited to what turret you can put on. I was left at 266/274 for powergrid after doing this with a ST-1 missile launcher. I did put in this: Local powergrid expansion unit x 2 ST-1 fragmented Azeotropic shield extender light converse shield booster light converse shield transporter supplemental shield amplifier oh ya stats 2168 shield (shield control level 3) armor 623(field mechanics level 4) with that said this cost a lot in terms of sp and the tactic of using it net 0 warpoints.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 196	Posted - 2013.04.22 16:53:00 - [8] - Quote all right so he I go for an idea fit for a methane my base idea for all LAVs is that 2500raw HP is good for most LAVs more than that your going for tank and heading away from damage which is the difference in having gunner on comms or just going for roadkilling. for the balanced methane lows 60mm plate(whatever you can fit)x1 armor repairer, I used the polarized one carapace armor hardnener( you could replace this with damage mod for more of any attack platform, light ones work best) highs active heat sink(oh shun me now, I know) f45 DMCU- this just for the hardener and replaceable for whatever defense mod you want for me I put on a scattered ion cannon on this now onto defense fully tanked methane, now before I go on there is two idea spinning around, repairs help stay in the fight the other is I can repair it in a safe spot with a repair tool so im going to try and make one for both so beware of this. so first no repairer on is im just going on idea plates x2 hardener DMCU shield resist passive whatever turret fits with this idea in mind I made a LAV with 3447 armor (level 4 field mechanics), im not in favor of this but hey its there if you. with a repairer on 60mm reinforced nanofibre plate polarized armor repairer carapace hardener azeotropic shield extender supplemental shield amplifier( you could replace with a ward shield regenerator but its really your call on this) ST-1 missile launcher now with this you have to have maxed out CPU/PG fitting skills as it comes right on the edge of PG with 3 CPU to play around with.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 199	Posted - 2013.04.22 22:12:00 - [9] - Quote I have been testing with a gunnlogi and its been fun. LAVs are fun but the cost makes it not so much. more needs to happen to vehicles before I actually see LAVs as more then faster MLT tanks without the firepower. just been testing a lot and haven't came back to my Charybdis in a while.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 202	Posted - 2013.04.23 04:16:00 - [10] - Quote well im only sitting on armor enhancement? level 3, im not an armor guy, im a shield a guy so it was pushing the PG to have nanofibre. well just waiting for the reset to redo the skills some more.

ladwar Dead Six Initiative 202	Posted - 2013.04.23 05:02:00 - [11] - Quote normal sagas are worse ever for driving.. my Charybdis handles like a dream. haven't gone back to see if they were fixed... i have the Charybdis for the fun, its just easier to drive from a survivability side as well as swarms are the second problem for LAVs(AV nades #1) forge are only 3rd because they have a hard time hitting me as i zip along the field but this new av makes me wonder so i have been testing out some methana fits just in case they are a tad OP and i need to know the best tactics to armor LAVs.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 214	Posted - 2013.04.23 20:08:00 - [12] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Yes but I like having repair modules on my LAV, because I can't always just stop to make the repairs, or find a supply depot, especially since HAV's destroy them. your in the same idea as me, i hate when im shield tanking and i lose some armor but not enough to die from but its the trade off I'll take for higher resistance to the most common av weapons swarms and an av nades.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative 240	Posted - 2013.04.24 20:36:00 - [13] - Quote I had my guristas saga to have a passive shield regen to over 50 per second, its actually want I did for a remote armor repairer.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 272	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:36:00 - [14] - Quote well that's good, im kindof waiting for the update for someone to actually say the LLAV got its repper back. LAV can tank ok vs installations, not so well vs any HAV.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 274	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:42:00 - [15] - Quote I don't believe it till I see it and I don't trust reddit at all. handling was never a problem for me.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 274	Posted - 2013.05.01 22:46:00 - [16] - Quote its takes a little practice to drive backwards after taking a forge gun round but once you know how to handle it and actually tried it is pretty simple but the controls are not normal compared to all other games.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 275	Posted - 2013.05.01 23:43:00 - [17] - Quote I am disappointed that they made a new type of LAV and instead of making a more tanked version or a attack platform the just toke the MTL and beefed up its speed and made it cost as much as the LLV and call it the scout LAV... this is in no way helpful.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 278	Posted - 2013.05.02 10:19:00 - [18] - Quote gbghg wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: ladwar wrote: I am disappointed that they made a new type of LAV and instead of making a more tanked version or a attack platform the just toke the MTL and beefed up its speed and made it cost as much as the LLV and call it the scout LAV... this is in no way helpful. I thought it was going to have innate scan bonuses as well, like a reduced profile and a passive scanner Yeah that would have made more sense and made it more attractive as well. yea but LAVs are kindof big so no matter what you should be able to pick it off the overhead map. but if it had a nice scanner on it sure but I don't think it has any of that.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 288	Posted - 2013.05.04 21:51:00 - [19] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: ladwar wrote: well that's good, im kindof waiting for the update for someone to actually say the LLAV got its repper back. LAV can tank ok vs installations, not so well vs any HAV. If you check out the Uprising footage from Jenza, the LAVs look way better to handle and sources say that the LLV does in fact have the repper back. i tired making a bare bones LLAV but there was no built in repper. Jenza I believe it's passive. It repairs the infantry who get inside of it or near it. im pretty sure the last on was active so if it back it should be active.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 291	Posted - 2013.05.05 00:42:00 - [20] - Quote CCP... but they'll never tell.

ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 332	Posted - 2013.05.06 22:07:00 - [21] - Quote tested, no infantry repper in LLAVs, so reddit lied
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 337	Posted - 2013.05.07 04:17:00 - [22] - Quote LLAV can still be tanked, well once they fix the pg skill. scout LAV is a joke.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 356	Posted - 2013.05.08 04:03:00 - [23] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ladwar wrote: tested, no infantry repper in LLAVs, so reddit lied Neither active nor some unseen passive? Damn! I think I made a victory. they admitted that is not there and I quote CCP Blam! wrote: I can understand your frustration! The fix to re-enable remote repairs on logistics LAVs didn't make it into our deployment. However, we are working on deploying a set of server side fixes shortly which will include this fix. a fix for it. or atleast got on the record that they will which is a step toward it. said quote from above number 7 post
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 356	Posted - 2013.05.09 23:03:00 - [24] - Quote works on boths.. driving is weird thou when you have that module active, it lets you pan without force facing forward when driving so it is nice when stopped but has a bit of lock on timer. haven't got to test the effective ness but has a long active time with I think 30 cooldown.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 410	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:02:00 - [25] - Quote hey bojo have you seen any new ways to tank up a methana now for uprising with the decreased PG?
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1078	Posted - 2013.08.08 07:01:00 - [26] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: ladwar wrote: hey bojo have you seen any new ways to tank up a methana now for uprising with the decreased PG? psh. it's all about the Chary, now. Swarms do too much damage to the Limbus for it to compete. lol.. i called it but i just never wanted to that bad as it is.

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