I was buying some BPO stuff for infintry, and noticed that there's not a militia Forge gun... A FREAKIN MILITIA FORGE GUN! Why is there so much hate for vehicles, especially HAV? Missiles are not a good option anymore, HAV's became slower, armor still sucks, You can still one shot any LAV with forge guns, dropships are useless, etc. etc. etc. Any person can now kill me and other pilots from across the map, and they can do it for a 1/10 of the cost, maybe even less.Can vehicles, just like the rest of the universe, get any love?

I keep reading the thread title as "What's up with all the vehicle hats?"

...I should try and get more sleep...

damn swarm launchers.........
thats why i just run a sica with a few sheild extenders and a good blaster for only about 200000 isk a pop

But the thing is, I would destroy you with anything when your in that Sica Ex. the Militia Forge Gun.

I have a similar Sica to the one described above, and have taken out Forge Gunners with it.

Also, sorry for my not-very-productive previous post, but at least it was a bump for the thread, right?

Ok so Having over 3 million sp into my HAV and climbing everyday isn't enough? While you have to put in what, 3 million to get the perfect role for a fit? And that's not eve taking into how much these fittings cost compaired to your most expensive ones. My cheapest tank is so much more expensive than your most expensive suit. Yet you can one shot me? Then you got to take in the fact that the only way to have any help is by getting a person that will repair you, and I haven't found a single person who would. You think that being able to one shot someone that's spent way more is fair, but it isn't. First, the militia Forge Gun needs to become weaker, second, the AV grenades needs to be far weaker than they are, as I've been one shotted from them as well, by standard ones, with proto resistances active,and The bug to where militia swarms can one shot needs to be fixed, because it's making me lose money.

Ok so Having over 3 million sp into my HAV and climbing everyday isn't enough? While you have to put in what, 3 million to get the perfect role for a fit? And that's not eve taking into how much these fittings cost compaired to your most expensive ones. My cheapest tank is so much more expensive than your most expensive suit. Yet you can one shot me? Then you got to take in the fact that the only way to have any help is by getting a person that will repair you, and I haven't found a single person who would. You think that being able to one shot someone that's spent way more is fair, but it isn't. First, the militia Forge Gun needs to become weaker, second, the AV grenades needs to be far weaker than they are, as I've been one shotted from them as well, by standard ones, with proto resistances active,and The bug to where militia swarms can one shot needs to be fixed, because it's making me lose money.

There was already a thread about it.
Tanks are super powerful, there SHOULD be a militia weapon that can take them down.
You just want a stompfest of infantry, well now you have to work for it.

^ To that I can only laugh. Do you REALLY put shield or armour resists on your tank? You insist it is a "one shot" But there is absolutely no weapon that can one shot a tank other than someone with no or very little skill in a malitia tank. Even trained to max with damage mods no single weapon can one shot a solid tank. Period. As for Malitia forge guns, just like all malitia gear they have the same stats as TI weapons they just take more CPU and Grid to fit them, the fact in this case being only heavies can fit a forge gun and they have a rather large amount of CPU/Grid to play with.

Not to mention that they actually won't hit as hard as your typical TI seeing as you need to train weaponry to Lvl V which would add an additional 10% damage. So already they are weaker than your average forge gun. And really you've been "one shot" by AV grenades? Those things barely have enough in them to blow up a LAV and if you put a tank on a LAV and it'll survive one so how your "Expensive, Proto resist, 3mil SP HAV fit tank" can be "one shot" is well... it's impossible. Tanks are not meant to sit and take sustained fire they are made to flank and maneuver. You shoot you move or get near some cover shoot and fal back if needed, sitting in the open will get you killed. Also another handy tip from EVE 'If you can't afford to lose it don't use it'. You say you're losing money? Then stop using it until A) you have enough isk and B) you have a better tank on it so it won't die to all these magical "one shots", simple.

It's really simple..

Less Offensive
MOAR DEFENSIVE

Take the damage a HAV outputs down and increase its ability to tank. Hell, make variants for it.
I lost 7000 eHP in two shots to a Forge Gun (Not Militia dw) which killed me instantly, It was a single guy who managed to go through my redline, shoved his LAV in the back of me so I rolled forward onto a Hill, got stuck and died.

Saddest HAV loss ever.

they just need to buff tanking abilities of Vehicles in general. ground tropps are fine. Vehicles just need some love is all. But no damage changes (well, missiles could use some more splash, and a little lower damage.)

I call BS on that entire reply. HAV's ARE ment to soak up fire. and it's not impossible when it's happened several times to me. I've even seen sagris's get blown up by one standerd AV grenade... a fully fitted Sagris shouldn't be done like that. And what does it matter that only heavies can fit them? Most people that's skilled toward ground troops have have heavy skills by now (or should have them anyways). They would also have Forge Gun skills, and grandier skills at max. How about this: you try using a HAV and see how fast just one AV grenade kills you. You see how fast just one Forge Gun kills you. And don't tell me how to drive my HAV. I move around the map, and give help where needed. It's not fair when I get one shotted by a Forge Gun sitting in a hill that I can't even hit them at. HAV's are not supposed to be glass cannons, LAV's especially the high tier ones shouldn't be made out of paper, and the ShitShips souldn't be ****. For a 600k HAV, I should be able to without turning on any modules, take at least 8 Forge Gun shots before dying, a fully fitted T1 LAV should be able to take 4, and a fully fitted T1 Dropship should be able to take 5 At advanced level Forge guns (regular). None of them should one shot something that costs way more.

Lol no there shouldn't. A HAV that is hard to take down will have cost millions of SP to build. why should there be something you can get, with no SP loss, be strong enough to take a HAV down?

Militia equipment should barely scratch a proto vehicle

I call BS on that entire reply. HAV's ARE ment to soak up fire. and it's not impossible when it's happened several times to me. I've even seen sagris's get blown up by one standerd AV grenade... a fully fitted Sagris shouldn't be done like that. And what does it matter that only heavies can fit them? Most people that's skilled toward ground troops have have heavy skills by now (or should have them anyways). They would also have Forge Gun skills, and grandier skills at max. How about this: you try using a HAV and see how fast just one AV grenade kills you. You see how fast just one Forge Gun kills you. And don't tell me how to drive my HAV. I move around the map, and give help where needed. It's not fair when I get one shotted by a Forge Gun sitting in a hill that I can't even hit them at. HAV's are not supposed to be glass cannons, LAV's especially the high tier ones shouldn't be made out of paper, and the ShitShips souldn't be ****. For a 600k HAV, I should be able to without turning on any modules, take at least 8 Forge Gun shots before dying, a fully fitted T1 LAV should be able to take 4, and a fully fitted T1 Dropship should be able to take 5 At advanced level Forge guns (regular). None of them should one shot something that costs way more.