DUST Search - What's up with all the vehicle hate?

WHz DS9899 wrote:

I call BS on that entire reply. HAV's ARE ment to soak up fire. and it's not impossible when it's happened several times to me. I've even seen sagris's get blown up by one standerd AV grenade... a fully fitted Sagris shouldn't be done like that. And what does it matter that only heavies can fit them? Most people that's skilled toward ground troops have have heavy skills by now (or should have them anyways). They would also have Forge Gun skills, and grandier skills at max. How about this: you try using a HAV and see how fast just one AV grenade kills you. You see how fast just one Forge Gun kills you. And don't tell me how to drive my HAV. I move around the map, and give help where needed. It's not fair when I get one shotted by a Forge Gun sitting in a hill that I can't even hit them at. HAV's are not supposed to be glass cannons, LAV's especially the high tier ones shouldn't be made out of paper, and the ShitShips souldn't be ****. For a 600k HAV, I should be able to without turning on any modules, take at least 8 Forge Gun shots before dying, a fully fitted T1 LAV should be able to take 4, and a fully fitted T1 Dropship should be able to take 5 At advanced level Forge guns (regular). None of them should one shot something that costs way more.


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Django Quik R.I.f.t 220	Posted - 2012.12.21 12:14:00 - [1] - Quote I run an advanced swarm with 2 complex damage mods and lvl 5 weaponry, reaching around 2000 damage if all 5 missiles hit - I have never one shot any tank. Even a basic sica with no modules would take around 3 shots with all my missiles hitting. There is no way any tank has ever been OHK. Nova is quite right - if you are regularly losing your expensive and well kitted out tank, then you are doing something wrong with how you use it. And I too have seen what I would consider pretty much indestructible tanks out there - get a surya or sagaris with a heavy shield and resistance and even with 4 people with my gear out there we'll still struggle to kill you unless you sit out in the open not moving. But if you think you're going to survive bringing out really any variation of a sica or soma, I will kill you, most likely on my own. As for the militia FG - it's garbage. I've seen in no game so far this build appear in the kill log PLAYER (MILITIA FORGE GUN) TANK. In fact, haven't yet seen anyone even trying to use the weapon.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 220	Posted - 2012.12.21 17:22:00 - [2] - Quote WHz DS9899 wrote: I call BS on that entire reply. HAV's ARE ment to soak up fire. and it's not impossible when it's happened several times to me. I've even seen sagris's get blown up by one standerd AV grenade... a fully fitted Sagris shouldn't be done like that. And what does it matter that only heavies can fit them? Most people that's skilled toward ground troops have have heavy skills by now (or should have them anyways). They would also have Forge Gun skills, and grandier skills at max. How about this: you try using a HAV and see how fast just one AV grenade kills you. You see how fast just one Forge Gun kills you. And don't tell me how to drive my HAV. I move around the map, and give help where needed. It's not fair when I get one shotted by a Forge Gun sitting in a hill that I can't even hit them at. HAV's are not supposed to be glass cannons, LAV's especially the high tier ones shouldn't be made out of paper, and the ShitShips souldn't be **. For a 600k HAV, I should be able to without turning on any modules, take at least 8 Forge Gun shots before dying, a fully fitted T1 LAV should be able to take 4, and a fully fitted T1 Dropship should be able to take 5 At advanced level Forge guns (regular). None of them should one shot something that costs way more. Ha! You call BS!? Your's is the most BS on this thread! A standard AV grenade won't even OHK a starter fit LAV unless it's already taken at least a bit of damage. I've tried AV nading tanks before and it is effective but it takes at least 4 to take out a pretty run of the mill sica or soma. Let me make absolutely clear one important thing that should really put this entire discussion to rest: There is absolutely no weapon that can kill any tank in one hit.**
Django Quik R.I.f.t 220	Posted - 2012.12.22 14:40:00 - [3] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Django Quik wrote: There is absolutely no weapon that can kill any tank in one hit. I doubt that's true. There are some pretty horrifically bad HAV fittings out there. I wouldn't be surprised if My First LOLTank could be killed by a well-fitted Forge Gunner in one hit. of course, to balance that, My First LOLTank is almost certainly cheaper to restock than the Heavy that killed me. Okay, after some deep thought, I will concede that if you put no armor or shields on a soma and add a few chassis enhancements that lower your armor, you could get OHK. And yes, if you get forged in the back by a decent AV fitting, maybe with damage mods, it will deal pretty devastating damage and may well OHK poorer HAV fits. But that is the catch - Bad tank fittings will die easily. The good tank fittings I've seen out there have at least 4-5000 shield and are really tough to take down, especially if driven well, so as not to leave its weak spots vulnerable. Like I said before, if you have a Sica or Soma out on the field, it will probably not last the match unless you're pretty badass and have some decent shield/armor modules on it.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 220	Posted - 2012.12.22 14:43:00 - [4] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: lol, bad. AV Nades will one shot a basic militia LAV But you are definitely wrong here. A regular AV nade will kill almost all of a basic militia LAV but unless it's already taken at least a tiny bit of damage, the LAV will have just a tiny bit of armor left and will die shortly after from burning damage. Annoyingly, doing this will also only get you a kill assist for your effort.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 220	Posted - 2012.12.22 20:32:00 - [5] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: It takes 3 shots for a bad forge to take out my best LAV (with my actives going), by the time they're ready to fire the second shot, they'll already be under my tires. Regardless, this is pretty stupid. Not sure what your point is here? You've got a great LAV that can withstand these apparently OP FGs? Well done - I am genuinely impressed. And to the guy saying 7k shields on his tank aren't enough - you must not be using your tank very well then because when I generally see tanks like that on the field, it's a serious challenge and takes a really coordinated effort to take them down. That is unless they are driven badly and left out in the open with their rear weak spot on display. I've said it before and it was mentioned a couple of posts back but it really doesn't matter how expensive your suit/jeep/tank/ship are, cheaper things can and should be able to take it down - in real life one hit from an ANTI-TANK weapon is a serious problem for standard tanks; this is because they are specially designed to take tanks down. But real life tanks cost thousands of times more than those weapons. The answer? Those real life tank drivers don't whinge and moan that ANTI-TANK weapons are too powerful; they learn how to avoid and counter them; they have squads of tanks working together. What we see on Dust is pretty much always a single tank on its own with not so much as infantry backing it up. Often these tanks don't even have more than a driver inside manning the turrets! This is insane and stupid. You want to protect your millions of isk investments? Stop trying to single handedly stomp the enemy on your own!