I keep reading the thread title as "What's up with all the vehicle hats?"

...I should try and get more sleep...

damn swarm launchers.........
thats why i just run a sica with a few sheild extenders and a good blaster for only about 200000 isk a pop

I have a similar Sica to the one described above, and have taken out Forge Gunners with it.

Also, sorry for my not-very-productive previous post, but at least it was a bump for the thread, right?

^ To that I can only laugh. Do you REALLY put shield or armour resists on your tank? You insist it is a "one shot" But there is absolutely no weapon that can one shot a tank other than someone with no or very little skill in a malitia tank. Even trained to max with damage mods no single weapon can one shot a solid tank. Period. As for Malitia forge guns, just like all malitia gear they have the same stats as TI weapons they just take more CPU and Grid to fit them, the fact in this case being only heavies can fit a forge gun and they have a rather large amount of CPU/Grid to play with.

Not to mention that they actually won't hit as hard as your typical TI seeing as you need to train weaponry to Lvl V which would add an additional 10% damage. So already they are weaker than your average forge gun. And really you've been "one shot" by AV grenades? Those things barely have enough in them to blow up a LAV and if you put a tank on a LAV and it'll survive one so how your "Expensive, Proto resist, 3mil SP HAV fit tank" can be "one shot" is well... it's impossible. Tanks are not meant to sit and take sustained fire they are made to flank and maneuver. You shoot you move or get near some cover shoot and fal back if needed, sitting in the open will get you killed. Also another handy tip from EVE 'If you can't afford to lose it don't use it'. You say you're losing money? Then stop using it until A) you have enough isk and B) you have a better tank on it so it won't die to all these magical "one shots", simple.

It's really simple..

Less Offensive
MOAR DEFENSIVE

Take the damage a HAV outputs down and increase its ability to tank. Hell, make variants for it.
I lost 7000 eHP in two shots to a Forge Gun (Not Militia dw) which killed me instantly, It was a single guy who managed to go through my redline, shoved his LAV in the back of me so I rolled forward onto a Hill, got stuck and died.

Saddest HAV loss ever.

Exactly.

Couple this with the fact that in order to use the "OP" Swarm Launcher you have to dedicate your main weapon slot to it. Leaving you with a less efficient pistol or SMG as your anti-infantry weapon. Forge Guns arent really all that much better either. Ive taken out plenty of Forge Gunners trying to take out my little assault guy doing his fairy dance and it usually doesnt work out for them very well. Ive even chucked some AV grenades at a tank one time and it didnt do nearly what I thought it would. AV options are exactly where they should be. My only complaint is how the Swarm fires sometimes and how it always aims for the base of installations now that results in misses quite a bit.

Don't you get any support while tanking? You're supposed to have infantry support you with gunning, repairs, etc. to make running an HAV worth the cash.

exaggerate much?Cant shoot all the way across the maps without Heavy Weapon Sharpshooter....LAV'S are free.The miltia forge is not that great..it does the job,but if you are complaining about the LT forgr then I guess you relly QQ about the damage the proto forge puts out.

So since you're still here arguing this I assume you've gone out and OHK some tanks have you? Blown them up with a single shot from a Malita FG or a standard AV grenade? Tell me you have, come on for all this complaining you must have tried the other side of this.

If AV weapons are as strong as you say you should be raking in WP every match especially with your OHK AV grenades. Come on tell me how many Tanks you've OHK'd with them, in fact tell me how many things you've OHK'd with them that aren't the Malitia LAV's because that is like the only thing that a standard AV grenade can kill in 1 hit. As for me I came across a tank in a battle the other day. On those small Asia gameshow servers. Had half the team using Swarms, AV grenades, FGs and could not kill it well at least for half the time of the map, eventually killed it but then he respawned and brought in another after his team took out all the AV users. And you can't fall back on well your team's AV gear must of sucked because according to you ANY AV gear is OP and can OHK a tank and even more so should more than one hit land at a time.

I understand in relative terms yes vehicles are seemingly a tad on the fragile side however with a really good fit it's incredibly hard to kill them. For now I recommend getting your shield/armour skills up your fitting skills up (CPU/Grid mods) Then fitting a strong tank at the expense of using weaker weapons. Drive around get a feel of it don't try to kill things just try to survive, then after you get a small feel for it start trying to kill stuff.

Nope. Swarms are light weapons.