There was a game that's in beta still called firefall that had a smart way of mining, I think they should look into some thing like that maybe.

Just ideas rely but I rely think mining should be looked into for dust 514

theres supposed to be an industrial side of things on dust too, but its unclear what thats going to be like right now, and really they should focus on all the FPS aspects for the time being anyway. things like mining and construction will come later.

ok gonna adress this real quick

1 Wrong section of the forum, this thread should be in feedback/sugestions
2 They have stated that you will not stop mid battle and mine. industry will all be passively done, similar to PI in EVE

So, I'm thinking that a lot of this Soon(tm) is down to the PS3 being nearly end of life. If I was CCP I'd be designing Dust for PS4 and using the next year to implement/test and refine the core aspects of the game on the PS3 then when the 4 hits, start adding all the really cool stuff that complicates everything and needs more resources.

But back on topic, mining in Dust? Really? Let the space monkeys do that for us

DUST514 is a first person shooter. Nuff Said?

Yes FPS, but don't be closeminded in it that FPS is all about instant gratification pub matches. And that you just jump in and out of action. There is much more than spawn, shoot, die/kill, spawn.

Lets think outside of the box and not be limited of relic gameplay mode. Lets do something more than same-old-same-old.

The inventory system is now location aware, which paves the way for the introduction of the secondary marketplace.

Yeah because mining sounds more fun than this...

IF i want to spend my time in a video game MIning for minerals I will play Final Fantasy XI or XIV ... WOW.... EQII... (insert another generic MMO)

Yeah because mining sounds more fun than this...

And if that 'miner' is any self-respecting individual he would have paid some mercs to defend that said installation.

Mining is, at least to begin with, going to be a passive process that players don't have direct involvement with. And you can logically argue that EVE mining makes more sense.

in EVE, you're filling the role of a pilot/captain of a starship. That starship's purpose in space is variable. Starship pilots can be warriors, or miners, or traders, or any number of other things. In DUST, you're a Mercenary soldier. You are, by definition, a warrior role first and foremost. EVERYONE in the game has the same basic job. Pretty much, "kill all the things" is going to be your primary mission in any scenario (except when you're a combat medic or other logi/support player).

Having said that, however, it WOULD be good if our characters, being immortal, could train into an alternate profession (or possible more than one), and mining would be a good option.

We SHOULDN'T (and almost certainly WON'T) be going out and manually digging up minerals and ore and things though. What we SHOULD do is have something that works more like the planned-but-still-unrevealed "commander" role, where you're in a command room somewhere (a nearby MCC, or command centre, or a room within the facility), and you're directing the mining robots in gameplay that's mostly separate from the core FPS gameplay.

Just like the battlefield commander role will allow players to have a more RTS-like view of the battlefield, giving orders and directing fire support, maybe while having some measure of control over the team's MCC.

It would be awesome if a commander had direct control over the MCC. It would add a new layer to Skirmish battles. Both teams' MCCs would be fighting one another for the best location above the fight so they can provide a forward spawn in a defensible location, and there would be a difficult decision between focusing fire on the enemy MCC or providing fire support for your ground troops (but with great risk of friendly fire if there are allies anywhere near the blast).

It would be awesome if a commander had direct control over the MCC. It would add a new layer to Skirmish battles. Both teams' MCCs would be fighting one another for the best location above the fight so they can provide a forward spawn in a defensible location, and there would be a difficult decision between focusing fire on the enemy MCC or providing fire support for your ground troops (but with great risk of friendly fire if there are allies anywhere near the blast).

To says they dont want to do it... Uh then don't it won't impact what u do it's just more stuff people can do.

Yes that what you described is also what I would like to see, but it doesen't haveto end there. And yes we are first and foremost a mercenaries. Now. But this is a evolving game. and at the fanfest presentation/keynote? there were hints as well as that a way of mercenary video, that along the way some of us mercenaries would rebell against the idea of being always told what to do and where to go. Hence taking matters to out own hands.

That "hint" from the presentation you're talking about was leading into the idea that DUST players will be running our own corporations and owning territory instead of just fighting on behalf of EVE corporations.

We're starting off with HighSec and Faction Warfare, but later, we'll be able to go into NullSec and start really causing havoc. DUST players will own planets, and we'll be directly involved with shaping the politics of New Eden. EVE players will NEED to hire DUST Mercs (or get them to join their corp/alliance) if they want to control the ground.

There's no indication that we're ever going to be mining things "by hand" so to speak. It seems highly unlikely - both from a gameplay perspective and within EVE/DUST lore, that an enhanced super-soldier would decide "I don't feel like shooting things today, I'll go dig a hole instead" and walk out somewhere, in a combat-ready dropsuit, to do exactly that.

We will be owning planets. To do what? Own planets so that EVE side can hire us to take over or us to disrupt their PI? What there will be for DUST side to own a planet than bragging rights or annoyance for EVE side or ISK from EVE? That is quite a thin gameplay enviroment to look forward.

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And to expand... what is the ISK incentive from DUST side to controll a planet?
What do we get from it?
What activity there is to drive DUST players to capture planet?
If for EVE side, what do they get from planets to be enough if incentive/annoyance to sink up ISK into DUST to make it worthwhile?

And is sure hope it wont be another passive ISK printing machine as "there you go! you controlled this planet for a 1 week, now you get x million ISK as a reward, or x ammount of minerals"

Planet ownership has an impact on system sovereignty.

Planetary control will allow DUST players to manage and profit from facilities on said planets.

There are plenty of resources on planets and DUST Mercs will be able to control the supply of those resources.

Facilities that are on DUST? or EVE?

And i thought planetary sov and sytem sov were two seperate things in null. If they are the same then in EVE there are some damn 'happy' folks in corporations. Because if current prices of battles are any indication of how costly it is to take over a whole planet, consisting of multiple districts, then to defend/attack a region or even one system would bankrupt a good size of alliance.

And what do EVE side benefit from this waste of ISK? To continue their PI in it? Or to have PI taxed by DUST?

And on the case of if on EvE side there isnt no-one doing PI then what? If DUST side dont have it's own industry capability planet bound those facilities on planet are useles. And you can't ferry up and sell those goods on planet to other star systems, while on planet.

RED ROCKS!!

Facilities on planets will exist in both DUST and EVE.

And planetary sov is supposed to be affecting system sov by the time DUST goes to NullSec (which probably won't happen on launch, from the sound of things).

Also, Warbarges will have some way to travel between systems. We don't know exactly how this will work yet though.

stuff like this is why I have an issue with dust. Plain and simple I want a slightly more shooter. I do not want to have to get a degree in economics or mineralogy in order to play a game. I just want to shoot you in the face then bunny hop away laughing. if I wanted to devote this much of my cerebellum to something it would be to better myself in real life. Just saying to me spacemen are not serious business.

stuff like this is why I have an issue with dust. Plain and simple I want a slightly more shooter. I do not want to have to get a degree in economics or mineralogy in order to play a game. I just want to shoot you in the face then bunny hop away laughing. if I wanted to devote this much of my cerebellum to something it would be to better myself in real life. Just saying to me spacemen are not serious business.

...that and going murdering my way through a group of nonviolent miners sounds like a bunch of fun. I hope you guys get mining.

stuff like this is why I have an issue with dust. Plain and simple I want a slightly more shooter. I do not want to have to get a degree in economics or mineralogy in order to play a game. I just want to shoot you in the face then bunny hop away laughing. if I wanted to devote this much of my cerebellum to something it would be to better myself in real life. Just saying to me spacemen are not serious business.

Well... if warbarges are supposed to travel betwene starsystems they should be destroyable on EVE side.

So how abot our items. Modules, tanks, dropsuits, etc.. or rawmaterials to producing those in-situ in warbarge(if that is the way, which I'm not fan of).
Since assets are location aware, we as a mercs need to take account asset management and logistics. That makes DUST higly dependent on EVE capsuleers if our equipment is produced soly in that side.

Yes, that is one interesting way to do attrition.

stuff like this is why I have an issue with dust. Plain and simple I want a slightly more shooter. I do not want to have to get a degree in economics or mineralogy in order to play a game. I just want to shoot you in the face then bunny hop away laughing. if I wanted to devote this much of my cerebellum to something it would be to better myself in real life. Just saying to me spacemen are not serious business.

[quote=Erictheheartless]...As a miner I have no interest in mining in first-person in DUST. I'd be happy to own planetary installations but they better be automated for the most part, like planetary interaction is in EVE. I will not run around with a man-portable mining laser.

I wouldn't worry too much about that. The beauty of New Eden is you can choose what you want to do. Industry and economics will most likely remain a mostly EVE thing but it would be nice to have the option of participating from the DUST side as well in some fashion.

As a miner I have no interest in mining in first-person in DUST. I'd be happy to own planetary installations but they better be automated for the most part, like planetary interaction is in EVE. I will not run around with a man-portable mining laser.

As wont I. That wanst what I suggested. But installations that you controll and that could be singled out as a attack target and seizure of that installation or recources.

But in such way that you as a attacker need to somehow track down that installation and then when you get into that map where that installation is, you don't just spawn into it like todays Ambush or Skirmish maps we do. But to somewhere on the edge of the map (when in map mode and fully zoomed out.) so that there is variety of possible FPS gameplay options for you to choose. Be it scouting with LAV and sniping afar or going hot and heavy with dropships.

iguess I donGÇÖt mind miners mining if I can walk up behind them and be a shooter mining their skull. This can add a whole new aspect of the game for fps players you guys who want to do non fps stuff is cool but we can just charge in and drop you and move on. IGÇÖm kind of digging this now. Maybe we can get some music game people in here too we can beat them with guitars oooo oooo and maybe racing game people we can shoot their tires and blow up their tricked out future HondaGÇÖs drop in a couple fighting game aspects and I can upgrade my nova knife to hadouken levels.(sorry for the sarcasm level but I just upgraded that skill)(this is a fps game) lets concentrate on making a fully playable fps game then we can add in other stuff for sh*^s and giggles.

I'm really curious how matches will occur for faction warfare and to attack player owned installations. I own quite a few colonies already, including some in faction warfare zones. Will I just have standing defense contracts waiting to pay out in case someone attacks them? Can I create contracts directly to well respected corporations so I know I have a better chance of keeping them?

This could get really interesting.

I'm under the assumption that currently PI in EVE is so that in one planet there can be any number of 'colonies' and factories to produce stuff, even literally ontop of anothers. So I would assume that that mechanic either needs to change or just ignore that litle curiosity and go on.

I would hope that there would be some kind of contract framework to issue defence/attack contracts to other corporations, something similar to what CSM7 Selene, i think, was describing on some podcast that he would like to see.

I think one way would be to have standing contracts issued, kinda on-hold, if some automated security systems detect hostile activity near that installation. And then that contract would be opened up to either publicly or to specifyed corporations. Or to just one corporation if you have agreed that they help to defend it.

This allows installation evictions to take place, so that one can get more of that recource.

But I don't know much of the PI thing... I'm mainly spit-balling here.

This also brings up the issue of uncontested matches. Normally, a military operation won't involve units meeting at agreed upon times and locations but in game terms these things need to be planned. But what happens when nobody picks up your defensive contract?

Yes, In my mind this has always been the case.

But since expectations of this game to be out and in-development for atleast 5+, 10+ years, there needs to be a visionaries also.

while I do see your point my only rebuttal is that I do not think the life span of this game is as long as many believe. For a game to hold a console players attention for 5+ to 10+ years it would be a miracle and would have to have been the most perfect game created. realistically it has 3 good years maybe and then maybe if youGÇÖre lucky and have an extremely hardcore loyal fan base 2 more subpar years while people find a replacement. so it is good to come up with ideas and all but I think they would be best served by fine tuning the main idea first and try and build up that fan base before the ever wandering attention span of us console lowlifes finds something better suited to our liking.

1. At release, FPS elements will be the most important area Dust will be judged on.
2. Industry can be passive and handled with menus to start with.
3. At a later date, the ability for EvE players to offer PvE contracts, to mine/loot sites could be super kewl :D

Link about sites.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Magnetometric_Site_List

Upon locating one of these sites, an EvE player could theoretically offer a contract to send a scavenger team aboard. Dust corp accepts, and those Dust Mercs are shown a live stream of the EvE player flying back out to the site. Simple linear PvE mission starts when EvE ship reaches a set distance (5000m for example). End goal is to reach a certain area/piece of equipment/mine x amount of minerals.

Edit: Sensible steps for CCP to achieve this.

Build simple linear PvE mining mission.
Formulate a way to transport Dusters (including distance to mission start condition).
Showing a live stream of EvE on ps3.
Build complex non linear scavenging & mining missions.

I wouldn't worry too much about that. The beauty of New Eden is you can choose what you want to do. Industry and economics will most likely remain a mostly EVE thing but it would be nice to have the option of participating from the DUST side as well in some fashion.

As a miner I have no interest in mining in first-person in DUST. I'd be happy to own planetary installations but they better be automated for the most part, like planetary interaction is in EVE. I will not run around with a man-portable mining laser.

If for EVE side, what do they get from planets to be enough if incentive/annoyance to sink up ISK into DUST to make it worthwhile?

iguess I donGÇÖt mind miners mining if I can walk up behind them and be a shooter mining their skull. This can add a whole new aspect of the game for fps players you guys who want to do non fps stuff is cool but we can just charge in and drop you and move on. IGÇÖm kind of digging this now. Maybe we can get some music game people in here too we can beat them with guitars oooo oooo and maybe racing game people we can shoot their tires and blow up their tricked out future HondaGÇÖs drop in a couple fighting game aspects and I can upgrade my nova knife to hadouken levels.(sorry for the sarcasm level but I just upgraded that skill)(this is a fps game) lets concentrate on making a fully playable fps game then we can add in other stuff for sh*^s and giggles.

rumors and ideas have been thrown around, something about some kinda buff/bonus to the fleet in that system who's mercs control the planet

there was nothing exceptional about everquest online adventures except this it was an open ended MMO for PS2, this game's got way more going for it than it did. the thing about EQOA was the novelty for PS2 players who most never played online game before to interact with thousands of others in an open world- that was the extent of it's appeal. this game also has stuff that the typical PS3 player has never had before but is also way funner.

and no ones trying to take your precious gun game away from you eric we're just having a speculative discussion here, CCP is not known to pigeon hole themselves final to any one playstyle so there is room for mining or w/e, we're not trying to derail dev attention we're just speculating here because some of us are tired of all the regurgitation threads of OP MD or whatever they're crying about now.

Erik = Everquest FanBOI :)

Now, if we can keep talking about mining/scavenging at some future point, in a PvE/PvP setting that'd be cool.

id like to see something like a Caldari HAV but have a large mining lazer with various sized cargo bays etc etc

would be an interesting way of gaining isk

locking on and leaving it not in null buddy lost a barge today lol but good idea would be pretty cool to get some indy in dust. My very important question of the day is do eve players make the weapons,dropsuits,ect... or are they gonna stay with this bp thing.