theres supposed to be an industrial side of things on dust too, but its unclear what thats going to be like right now, and really they should focus on all the FPS aspects for the time being anyway. things like mining and construction will come later.

ok gonna adress this real quick

1 Wrong section of the forum, this thread should be in feedback/sugestions
2 They have stated that you will not stop mid battle and mine. industry will all be passively done, similar to PI in EVE

So, I'm thinking that a lot of this Soon(tm) is down to the PS3 being nearly end of life. If I was CCP I'd be designing Dust for PS4 and using the next year to implement/test and refine the core aspects of the game on the PS3 then when the 4 hits, start adding all the really cool stuff that complicates everything and needs more resources.

But back on topic, mining in Dust? Really? Let the space monkeys do that for us

DUST514 is a first person shooter. Nuff Said?

The inventory system is now location aware, which paves the way for the introduction of the secondary marketplace.

Yeah because mining sounds more fun than this...

IF i want to spend my time in a video game MIning for minerals I will play Final Fantasy XI or XIV ... WOW.... EQII... (insert another generic MMO)

Mining is, at least to begin with, going to be a passive process that players don't have direct involvement with. And you can logically argue that EVE mining makes more sense.

in EVE, you're filling the role of a pilot/captain of a starship. That starship's purpose in space is variable. Starship pilots can be warriors, or miners, or traders, or any number of other things. In DUST, you're a Mercenary soldier. You are, by definition, a warrior role first and foremost. EVERYONE in the game has the same basic job. Pretty much, "kill all the things" is going to be your primary mission in any scenario (except when you're a combat medic or other logi/support player).

Having said that, however, it WOULD be good if our characters, being immortal, could train into an alternate profession (or possible more than one), and mining would be a good option.

We SHOULDN'T (and almost certainly WON'T) be going out and manually digging up minerals and ore and things though. What we SHOULD do is have something that works more like the planned-but-still-unrevealed "commander" role, where you're in a command room somewhere (a nearby MCC, or command centre, or a room within the facility), and you're directing the mining robots in gameplay that's mostly separate from the core FPS gameplay.

Just like the battlefield commander role will allow players to have a more RTS-like view of the battlefield, giving orders and directing fire support, maybe while having some measure of control over the team's MCC.

It would be awesome if a commander had direct control over the MCC. It would add a new layer to Skirmish battles. Both teams' MCCs would be fighting one another for the best location above the fight so they can provide a forward spawn in a defensible location, and there would be a difficult decision between focusing fire on the enemy MCC or providing fire support for your ground troops (but with great risk of friendly fire if there are allies anywhere near the blast).

That "hint" from the presentation you're talking about was leading into the idea that DUST players will be running our own corporations and owning territory instead of just fighting on behalf of EVE corporations.

We're starting off with HighSec and Faction Warfare, but later, we'll be able to go into NullSec and start really causing havoc. DUST players will own planets, and we'll be directly involved with shaping the politics of New Eden. EVE players will NEED to hire DUST Mercs (or get them to join their corp/alliance) if they want to control the ground.

There's no indication that we're ever going to be mining things "by hand" so to speak. It seems highly unlikely - both from a gameplay perspective and within EVE/DUST lore, that an enhanced super-soldier would decide "I don't feel like shooting things today, I'll go dig a hole instead" and walk out somewhere, in a combat-ready dropsuit, to do exactly that.

Planet ownership has an impact on system sovereignty.

Planetary control will allow DUST players to manage and profit from facilities on said planets.

There are plenty of resources on planets and DUST Mercs will be able to control the supply of those resources.

Facilities on planets will exist in both DUST and EVE.

And planetary sov is supposed to be affecting system sov by the time DUST goes to NullSec (which probably won't happen on launch, from the sound of things).

Also, Warbarges will have some way to travel between systems. We don't know exactly how this will work yet though.

stuff like this is why I have an issue with dust. Plain and simple I want a slightly more shooter. I do not want to have to get a degree in economics or mineralogy in order to play a game. I just want to shoot you in the face then bunny hop away laughing. if I wanted to devote this much of my cerebellum to something it would be to better myself in real life. Just saying to me spacemen are not serious business.

[quote=Erictheheartless]...As a miner I have no interest in mining in first-person in DUST. I'd be happy to own planetary installations but they better be automated for the most part, like planetary interaction is in EVE. I will not run around with a man-portable mining laser.

iguess I donGÇÖt mind miners mining if I can walk up behind them and be a shooter mining their skull. This can add a whole new aspect of the game for fps players you guys who want to do non fps stuff is cool but we can just charge in and drop you and move on. IGÇÖm kind of digging this now. Maybe we can get some music game people in here too we can beat them with guitars oooo oooo and maybe racing game people we can shoot their tires and blow up their tricked out future HondaGÇÖs drop in a couple fighting game aspects and I can upgrade my nova knife to hadouken levels.(sorry for the sarcasm level but I just upgraded that skill)(this is a fps game) lets concentrate on making a fully playable fps game then we can add in other stuff for sh*^s and giggles.

I'm really curious how matches will occur for faction warfare and to attack player owned installations. I own quite a few colonies already, including some in faction warfare zones. Will I just have standing defense contracts waiting to pay out in case someone attacks them? Can I create contracts directly to well respected corporations so I know I have a better chance of keeping them?

This could get really interesting.

This also brings up the issue of uncontested matches. Normally, a military operation won't involve units meeting at agreed upon times and locations but in game terms these things need to be planned. But what happens when nobody picks up your defensive contract?

id like to see something like a Caldari HAV but have a large mining lazer with various sized cargo bays etc etc

would be an interesting way of gaining isk

locking on and leaving it not in null buddy lost a barge today lol but good idea would be pretty cool to get some indy in dust. My very important question of the day is do eve players make the weapons,dropsuits,ect... or are they gonna stay with this bp thing.