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ArMaGeDoN The Cat
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
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Posted - 2012.12.19 23:54:00 -
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Name one thing they can do that weapons can't do better. They are the most underpowered weapon in Dust. |
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki
Onward Defrosted Tuna Team
485
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Posted - 2012.12.19 23:55:00 -
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Sharpen a stick into a spear? |
ArMaGeDoN The Cat
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
157
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Posted - 2012.12.19 23:59:00 -
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Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote:Sharpen a stick into a spear? And die by gunfire while doing so. |
Grimmiers
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2012.12.20 00:40:00 -
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They can scare the kitten out of you if your on the receiving end even though your life probably isn't in any danger. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.20 00:40:00 -
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It makes me proud to say the following since I am a dedicated ninja knifer.
They don't require a stupid reload. My victims can confirm that for me as they struggled to reload while trying to dodge me in a close quarter 1v1 confrontation while I sprint literally under their gun. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.20 00:55:00 -
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Stabbing people.
Attempting to stab people while getting shot. |
Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
711
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Posted - 2012.12.20 00:57:00 -
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Shank a merc. Sniper Rifles can't do that. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.20 01:02:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:It makes me proud to say the following since I am a dedicated ninja knifer.
They don't require a stupid reload. My victims can confirm that for me as they struggled to reload while trying to dodge me in a close quarter 1v1 confrontation while I sprint literally under their gun. Can you do a regular melee with nova knives? If not, it wouldn't be too hard to just melee NKers to death. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.20 08:06:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:It makes me proud to say the following since I am a dedicated ninja knifer.
They don't require a stupid reload. My victims can confirm that for me as they struggled to reload while trying to dodge me in a close quarter 1v1 confrontation while I sprint literally under their gun. Can you do a regular melee with nova knives? If not, it wouldn't be too hard to just melee NKers to death.
No. No melee with nova knives. Fists and the butt end of a rifle are good, but only if you land a good hit. It's much harder to melee someone than you think. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1899
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Posted - 2012.12.20 08:08:00 -
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They're such a joke weapon, especially considering how expensive they are. They're good in incredibly niche situations, other than that, they're good at being a drain on resources and an endless source of laughs. |
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Free Healing
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
234
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Posted - 2012.12.20 08:21:00 -
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Well... i may be stating the obvious but since this probably isn't a serious post i'll oblige.
A pair of Nova Knifes can dish out more melee DPS than any other Weapon can.
Well now that that's out of the way.
-They're also the only weapon that can be held in both hands, and dual-wielding blades is always badass. -They can stab people more easily than other weapons -They are quieter than any other weapon, at least i think so. -Easier to hip-fire than any other weapon.
That's all i got.
Keep the faith. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:06:00 -
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Name one other weapon that's silent when used and doesn't make you appear on nearby enemy mini-maps.
...and that's about it. With the right skills and buffs, you could out-DPS Nova Knives in Codex. Not sure if that's still the case now, though. Haven't checked the math properly yet. Waiting on someone who's skilled into Nova Knives to update me on the details I'm missing. |
ArMaGeDoN The Cat
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
157
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Posted - 2012.12.20 14:24:00 -
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Free Healing wrote:Well... i may be stating the obvious but since this probably isn't a serious post i'll oblige.
A pair of Nova Knifes can dish out more melee DPS than any other Weapon can.
Well now that that's out of the way.
-They're also the only weapon that can be held in both hands, and dual-wielding blades is always badass. -They can stab people more easily than other weapons -They are quieter than any other weapon, at least i think so. -Easier to hip-fire than any other weapon.
That's all i got.
Keep the faith. All of these points are not important. Why? Because you can't f'ing hit a target unless you're hugging him and he isn't moving. If he moves, you are probably toast, unless you bunny hop in which case you have a few extra seconds. And yes I'm sneaking behind them but I keep missing the swing because the range is so low and the hit detection for mele attacks in general is rubbish.
Garrett Blacknova wrote:Name one other weapon that's silent when used and doesn't make you appear on nearby enemy mini-maps.
...and that's about it. With the right skills and buffs, you could out-DPS Nova Knives in Codex. Not sure if that's still the case now, though. Haven't checked the math properly yet. Waiting on someone who's skilled into Nova Knives to update me on the details I'm missing.
Not important. Good luck killing anything that's not stationary and isn't blind with it. Even if you sneak, its rare to have enough time to charge up the knife and attack one or twice before he looks around and kills you. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.20 14:57:00 -
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ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Name one other weapon that's silent when used and doesn't make you appear on nearby enemy mini-maps.
...and that's about it. With the right skills and buffs, you could out-DPS Nova Knives in Codex. Not sure if that's still the case now, though. Haven't checked the math properly yet. Waiting on someone who's skilled into Nova Knives to update me on the details I'm missing. Not important. Good luck killing anything that's not stationary and isn't blind with it. Even if you sneak, its rare to have enough time to charge up the knife and attack one or twice before he looks around and kills you. I wasn't saying it was an important advantage. I was saying it's about the only advantage you get. They WEREN'T worth the asking price in Codex, but because I don't know how much has changed, I can't be 100% certain they're the same in the current build.
OP asked what they do that other weapons don't. There is one thing they do that other weapons don't, and I said what that one thing is. I never said it made them a worthwhile option, or that it was "important" enough to be worth using them. Just that it's something that other weapons don't do. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.20 15:01:00 -
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Free Healing wrote:Well... i may be stating the obvious but since this probably isn't a serious post i'll oblige.
A pair of Nova Knifes can dish out more melee DPS than any other Weapon can.
Well now that that's out of the way.
-They're also the only weapon that can be held in both hands, and dual-wielding blades is always badass. -They can stab people more easily than other weapons -They are quieter than any other weapon, at least i think so. -Easier to hip-fire than any other weapon.
That's all i got.
Keep the faith.
1. That much is true. Dual wielding is badass.
2. No they can't more easily because they are the ONLY weapons that can stab at all. Never heard of anyone trying to stab me with an assault rifle or forge gun.
3. Not really. They produce a 'shing-shing' kind of noise that is noticeable from only a short distance. I notice mercs tend to get scared whenever they hear that. It has a very good intimidation factor working for it.
4. Well, that's because you can't aim down with them and you have to be close.
ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:And yes I'm sneaking behind them but I keep missing the swing because the range is so low and the hit detection for mele attacks in general is rubbish.
The range is not as low as you think. You don't have to be hugging them in order to kill them. They have a hit distance of about close to 2-3 feet in front of you. That's about the length of your arm stretched out.
Garrett Blacknova wrote:Waiting on someone who's skilled into Nova Knives to update me on the details I'm missing.
The numbers have not changed for the Nova Knife. Not sure about the scrambler pistols though.
ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:Even if you sneak, its rare to have enough time to charge up the knife and attack one or twice before he looks around and kills you.
With the standard (1.5 sec) and advanced (1.0 sec) Nova Knives they are slow to charge and I think the skill book that effects their charge time is not having any effect at all.
However, once you get a hold on the prototype Ishukone Nova Knives (0.5 sec), they become insane. The charge time is so low that you barely have to hold down the R1 button at all to get a charge ready. Also, their damage is pretty high even with just Nova Knife Proficiency Level 2 and that's before applying the enhanced sidearm damage mods. With this configuration, I can kill most assaults in one hit and almost all heavies in three hits. Sometimes, if I'm really lucky and if I take advantage of the confusion, I can cut down 4 mercs in 10 seconds and it's all because of the insanely-fast charge time. Even when I have to sprint first to get close.
There is also one other thing people seem to forget.
The Nova Knife, if you one-hit-kill a sniper, will give the sniper a false impression that he/she was counter-sniped by someone else and will occasionally come back to the same spot. I saw this happen several times during Codex as one or two of my victims would come back to the same spot but just reposition themselves a few feet left or right thinking they are getting ample cover from the counter sniper when in fact I was waiting for them behind the hill they never checked.
As for my targets turning around at the last moment, well... that's inevitable. I occasionally run into those people. At least now I can see that snipers are checking their six like they are suppose to. |
Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2012.12.20 15:10:00 -
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as long as they require a charge and point blank range they will be balanced. kind of underpowered if u think about the cost. would like to see an option to use melee command when they are equipped for reduced damage. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2012.12.20 15:12:00 -
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I think i've only seen one nova knifer.
It was weird. He was just running at me so I just...jumped back and kept shooting.
It'll weird you out man. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.20 15:53:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I think i've only seen one nova knifer.
It was weird. He was just running at me so I just...jumped back and kept shooting.
It'll weird you out man.
It's only natural that you jumped back because you know once that knife touches your assault suit you're dead. |
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GM Vegas
Game Masters C C P Alliance
298
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:45:00 -
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I've seen a Quafe Agent during last weeks Event doing pretty well with a Nova Knife! ;) |
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:48:00 -
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GM Vegas wrote:I've seen a Quafe Agent during last weeks Event doing pretty well with a Nova Knife! ;) So you saw someone in CCP using proto gear and a nova knife. Wonder how many bullets welcomed his face before he got his first kill lol |
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Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:51:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:It makes me proud to say the following since I am a dedicated ninja knifer.
They don't require a stupid reload. My victims can confirm that for me as they struggled to reload while trying to dodge me in a close quarter 1v1 confrontation while I sprint literally under their gun.
Mass driver, dodge that. |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:52:00 -
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Can you run with it now ? |
Magpie Raven
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
161
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:53:00 -
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I dont see them much but one time a heard this swush swush sound and i was like dafuq!!!!. then i died. He killed me at least 4 time that game. I was in a heavy suit and i crapped myself everytime i saw him. |
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GM Vegas
Game Masters C C P Alliance
298
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:57:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:So you saw someone in CCP using proto gear and a nova knife. Wonder how many bullets welcomed his face before he got his first kill lol
Well you do see a few bullets coming your way but as long as you don't get one shoted, you have a real chance of getting a kill! ;) It does wonders in extremely close combat!
You might not want to run around the battlefield though..!
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steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
338
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:02:00 -
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As opposed to just standing still in a battle.. Dam those snipers had it right the whole time :-P |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:04:00 -
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Once they add in cloak nova knifin' is ganna be legit. But hopefully player count is doubled by then so cloaking doesn't OP everything it touches. And there'll be counter mods to cloaks to reveal them to yourself and those around you. |
Reimus Klinsman
BetaMax.
319
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:14:00 -
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Would be nice if they had a chance of messing up the other persons reload. |
Musta Tornius
BetaMax.
265
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:16:00 -
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Paging Nova Knife, where are you Nova Knife? |
Yagihige
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:19:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote: The Nova Knife, if you one-hit-kill a sniper, will give the sniper a false impression that he/she was counter-sniped by someone else and will occasionally come back to the same spot.
Who is so oblivious to not read on the top right corner what weapon killed them?
Oh well, i guess some snipers are really dense. I've seen quite a few and it's like they can't pay attention to anything but their scope, and barely even that. Good snipers are but a few, horrible snipers are everywhere.
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:27:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:Maken Tosch wrote: The Nova Knife, if you one-hit-kill a sniper, will give the sniper a false impression that he/she was counter-sniped by someone else and will occasionally come back to the same spot.
Who is so oblivious to not read on the top right corner what weapon killed them? Oh well, i guess some snipers are really dense. I've seen quite a few and it's like they can't pay attention to anything but their scope, and barely even that. Good snipers are but a few, horrible snipers are everywhere.
I know right? I mean, it's like the sniper is like...
"Um, why I am dying in this same spot over and over again? And I don't know but I keep seeing this message on the top-right corner and I don't know what it is. I think it's trying to tell me something." |
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:28:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:Maken Tosch wrote: The Nova Knife, if you one-hit-kill a sniper, will give the sniper a false impression that he/she was counter-sniped by someone else and will occasionally come back to the same spot.
Who is so oblivious to not read on the top right corner what weapon killed them? Oh well, i guess some snipers are really dense. I've seen quite a few and it's like they can't pay attention to anything but their scope, and barely even that. Good snipers are but a few, horrible snipers are everywhere. To be fair, the notifications do cycle out of sight pretty fast at times, and while your screen is half-red, it's sometimes hard to read the (mostly red) text when you fall on the wrong angle. I've seen a time when my girlfriend did almost exactly this, but she died to a Shotgunner. What I'm confused about is that she never heard the Shotgun, but I did. Normally she's quite a good sniper, but that just made me facepalm. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:28:00 -
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Sparten 269 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:It makes me proud to say the following since I am a dedicated ninja knifer.
They don't require a stupid reload. My victims can confirm that for me as they struggled to reload while trying to dodge me in a close quarter 1v1 confrontation while I sprint literally under their gun. Mass driver, dodge that.
Easy, kill you before you have a chance to pull the trigger. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:30:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Sparten 269 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:It makes me proud to say the following since I am a dedicated ninja knifer.
They don't require a stupid reload. My victims can confirm that for me as they struggled to reload while trying to dodge me in a close quarter 1v1 confrontation while I sprint literally under their gun. Mass driver, dodge that. Easy, kill you before you have a chance to pull the trigger. I could be wrong, but the last time I checked, Mass Drivers had SLIGHTLY longer range than Nova Knives.
Feel free to tell me otherwise if that's changed? |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1899
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:36:00 -
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GM Vegas wrote:Well you do see a few bullets coming your way but as long as you don't get one shoted, you have a real chance of getting a kill! ;) It does wonders in extremely close combat!
I'd be tempted to pretend to agree with you if you could melee farther than your chest, as it stands you literally have to chest bump people to do any damage. The nova knives are best at killing AFK players, it has like a 60% chance to hit players that aren't moving what so ever.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:37:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:GM Vegas wrote:I've seen a Quafe Agent during last weeks Event doing pretty well with a Nova Knife! ;) So you saw someone in CCP using proto gear and a nova knife. Wonder how many bullets welcomed his face before he got his first kill lol Even using all proto gear, and more than likely fighting mostly standard/militia users. And getting killed by them. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:47:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Sparten 269 wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:It makes me proud to say the following since I am a dedicated ninja knifer.
They don't require a stupid reload. My victims can confirm that for me as they struggled to reload while trying to dodge me in a close quarter 1v1 confrontation while I sprint literally under their gun. Mass driver, dodge that. Easy, kill you before you have a chance to pull the trigger. I could be wrong, but the last time I checked, Mass Drivers had SLIGHTLY longer range than Nova Knives. Feel free to tell me otherwise if that's changed?
Not all mercs like to say "hi" to you from the front.
Interesting how people forget that one can come from behind, below, and from above. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:55:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Not all mercs like to say "hi" to you from the front.
Interesting how people forget that one can come from behind, below, and from above. So basically what I do to people with Shotguns then?
Just making sure that was still the way to do it. Carry on. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
783
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Posted - 2012.12.20 18:34:00 -
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Oh hi!
For what it's worth, the Nova knives this build are utterly amazing. They recieved a ninja buff which is actually a bug, but enables the knives to do something they were intending to do anyways.
The lower tier knives leave a bit to be desired with their long charge time, but hte prototype knives are just amazing. No other word to describe them. Amazing.
Sure, I can go 20+ kills or so on a regular basis if I use a gun. Or, I could run around with style and get 8-13 kills or so a round by MURDERSTABBING people. Maken Tosch has some pretty awesome posts about being sneaky and ninja like, and the OP should definitely read them if he wants to use these.
Personally, I've just been flat out charging people and stabbing them. It took some getting used to, but when I get into a good rhythm I can still dash between a full squad and kill most of them before I die. (Or all of them if the squad is no good!) I still play somewhat sneaky, but I've been stepping up my aggressiveness with the knives a lot this build and it usually is paying off.
My only real gripe with the knives right now are the crazy fitting costs for the knives, and the somewhat narrow field of view dust offers makes it a bit tricky to close in and circle around someone. Charge time for the lower tiers could be lowered a bit, but they're otherwise amazing. |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
Doomheim
83
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Posted - 2012.12.20 18:53:00 -
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ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:Name one thing they can do that weapons can't do better. They are the most underpowered weapon in Dust. Most humiliating kill's? |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
783
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Posted - 2012.12.21 02:20:00 -
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ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:Name one thing they can do that weapons can't do better. They are the most underpowered weapon in Dust.
Oh, I forgot to respond to this part in the OP! :)
How about instantly killing most suits? Completely putting someone into tunnel vision focused on the knife wielder, so they are totally open for your friends to shoot them in the back? Downright intimidation?
The knives are amazing. Like i said two posts up... The only thing that is to be desired is shorter charge time on the standard/adv versions. I'll admit the standard knives are nothing special but once you upgrade they become totally worth it. |
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Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.12.21 03:44:00 -
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ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:Name one thing they can do that weapons can't do better. They are the most underpowered weapon in Dust.
Obviously dont know what you are talking about. Personally watched Nova Knife steamroll 3 guys earlier. |
ArMaGeDoN The Cat
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
157
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Posted - 2012.12.21 13:05:00 -
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My main problem with the knives is that the hit detection for melee is already "meh", so adding a weapon system centered around that is kinda stupid if you don't fix the melee hit detection. Also drop the price, you would think a simple blade would be less expensive than an Assault rifle with advanced systems. And also for gameplay reasons, nova knives are not as effective as a shotgun that can do everything better at this range. 1000 ISK seems reasonable. Maybe 750 ISK for standard and 1000 ISK for prototype. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.21 14:04:00 -
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When we can start customizing weapons, we need to be able to ad a nova bayonette. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
783
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Posted - 2012.12.21 14:24:00 -
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Nova Knives are pretty great.
But they are by no means a weapon that you can just pick up and do well with. They require a lot of practice to really be able to use them well. This includes watching enemies and how they move around the map, knowing exactly how long you can sprint for and how many swipes you can take when you stop, while keeping some to spare to make a speedy exit, and knowing exactly how many swipes it will take to kill each kind of suit. Not to mention, knowing where your enemies are and where they are going so you can properly ambush them and then kill the next guy (or retreat if necesary) Guerilla tactics work wonders with a knife fit. If they know you're somewhere close to them with a knife, they aren't going to be looking at or doing much else.
For someone just picking them up to try... You are going to die a lot. Hell, even for me it's iffy. Some rounds I can go around 17-20 kills with 3-4 deaths, and other rounds I go like 13/13. If you actually care about your KDR, the knife is not a good weapon to use unless you are super meticulous and ninja-ish like my pal Maken Tosch.
But the knives are one of the most fun and rewarding weapons to use as they require the user to put real thought behind how they move on the battlefield to enable them to close the gap between them and others without being filled with bullets. Nothing is more satisfying than killing someone with a Nova Knife (Except maybe crushing people with a dropship) |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.21 17:51:00 -
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ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:
My main problem with the knives is that the hit detection for melee is already "meh", so adding a weapon system centered around that is kinda stupid if you don't fix the melee hit detection.
The Nova Knife is no longer a melee weapon and is no longer effected by melee mechanics. It is now technically a sidearm.
Also drop the price, you would think a simple blade would be less expensive than an Assault rifle with advanced systems.
The Nova Knife is not a simple blade. It uses super-heated plasma to sharpen the blade and it requires CPU/PG to operate at all. The price may be high at the moment, but it might drop once the players have full control of the market.
And also for gameplay reasons, nova knives are not as effective as a shotgun that can do everything better at this range.
Well... DUH!!! For general gameplay where you just want to pick up a weapon and kill people without putting much thought into it, of course the Nova Knife is useless. But this is a special weapon that is not tailored for general gameplay is it? It's a weapon for pros. Scrubs or Blueberries need not even touch it. Scrubs are not even worthy of looking at it. Think of it as the Law Giver from Judge Dread: can only be used by a Judge.
1000 ISK seems reasonable. Maybe 750 ISK for standard and 1000 ISK for prototype.
Too cheap even for standard.
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xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.12.21 17:53:00 -
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nove knives can be used as a main weapon I'll dropped multiple 20 bombs with them. |
ArMaGeDoN The Cat
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
157
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:11:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:
My main problem with the knives is that the hit detection for melee is already "meh", so adding a weapon system centered around that is kinda stupid if you don't fix the melee hit detection.
The Nova Knife is no longer a melee weapon and is no longer effected by melee mechanics. It is now technically a sidearm.
Also drop the price, you would think a simple blade would be less expensive than an Assault rifle with advanced systems.
The Nova Knife is not a simple blade. It uses super-heated plasma to sharpen the blade and it requires CPU/PG to operate at all. The price may be high at the moment, but it might drop once the players have full control of the market.
And also for gameplay reasons, nova knives are not as effective as a shotgun that can do everything better at this range.
Well... DUH!!! For general gameplay where you just want to pick up a weapon and kill people without putting much thought into it, of course the Nova Knife is useless. But this is a special weapon that is not tailored for general gameplay is it? It's a weapon for pros. Scrubs or Blueberries need not even touch it. Scrubs are not even worthy of looking at it. Think of it as the Law Giver from Judge Dread: can only be used by a Judge.
1000 ISK seems reasonable. Maybe 750 ISK for standard and 1000 ISK for prototype.
Too cheap even for standard.
IMHO, if you don't make any weapon system practical - its not worth adding into the game. Simple. I'm having a lot of fun using them, but they are the most useless thing since warm ice. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:37:00 -
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@Armagedon
If you don't like the weapon because you think bringing a knife to a gunfight is impractical and have little intention of using it, then why are you talking about it? Just don't use and leave it to the pros to test it. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2012.12.26 21:14:00 -
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I've found their advantage! They have the lowest PG/CPU usage (per tier) of any weapons.
Most scouts have fitting issues, and nova knives can help give them that extra CPU/PG boost they need for another profile dampener or kinetic catylizer (which will then make the knives more effective) |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2012.12.26 23:45:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:
Well... DUH!!! For general gameplay where you just want to pick up a weapon and kill people without putting much thought into it, of course the Nova Knife is useless. But this is a special weapon that is not tailored for general gameplay is it? It's a weapon for pros. Scrubs or Blueberries need not even touch it. Scrubs are not even worthy of looking at it. Think of it as the Law Giver from Judge Dread: can only be used by a Judge.
That's terrible logic. Better logic: it's more or less a sidearm shotgun. What sidearm outperforms a non-sidearm at the non-sidearm's job? |
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TiMeSpLiT--TeR
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Posted - 2012.12.26 23:56:00 -
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I personally use Nova knives. It is hard for combat confrontation. I believe its meant for stealth confrontation. I just use it for giggles. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.12.27 00:09:00 -
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TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote:I personally use Nova knives. It is hard for combat confrontation. I believe its meant for stealth confrontation. I just use it for giggles.
Which is why I'm looking forward to the cloak modules. I'm already pretty good with the knife. Imagine me with the cloak. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2012.12.27 00:24:00 -
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Whoever tried sneaking up on me when I was giving overwatch wasn't, but I doubt it was you. Just saw a red dot show up behind me, and I was sprinting down the mountain before they could hit me.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't a scout however, since someone told me a heavy was heading my way and I heard forge shots hitting behind me on my way to cover. |
Dominus Fatali
Nox Aeterna Security
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Posted - 2012.12.27 00:24:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Nova Knives are pretty great.
But they are by no means a weapon that you can just pick up and do well with. They require a lot of practice to really be able to use them well. This includes watching enemies and how they move around the map, knowing exactly how long you can sprint for and how many swipes you can take when you stop, while keeping some to spare to make a speedy exit, and knowing exactly how many swipes it will take to kill each kind of suit. Not to mention, knowing where your enemies are and where they are going so you can properly ambush them and then kill the next guy (or retreat if necesary) Guerilla tactics work wonders with a knife fit. If they know you're somewhere close to them with a knife, they aren't going to be looking at or doing much else.
For someone just picking them up to try... You are going to die a lot. Hell, even for me it's iffy. Some rounds I can go around 17-20 kills with 3-4 deaths, and other rounds I go like 13/13. If you actually care about your KDR, the knife is not a good weapon to use unless you are super meticulous and ninja-ish like my pal Maken Tosch.
But the knives are one of the most fun and rewarding weapons to use as they require the user to put real thought behind how they move on the battlefield to enable them to close the gap between them and others without being filled with bullets. Nothing is more satisfying than killing someone with a Nova Knife (Except maybe crushing people with a dropship) I find that killing Heavies with my Militia Scrambler Pistol always hits the spot. |
Je-NOVA
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.27 00:41:00 -
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I've been using nova knives on a scout a lot and can only say that you should always switch to a gun once your scene if your chasing someone. I think the walking backward speed should be slightly slower than it is as it's hard to catch up with a backwards jogging assault. |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.12.27 01:17:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Whoever tried sneaking up on me when I was giving overwatch wasn't, but I doubt it was you. Just saw a red dot show up behind me, and I was sprinting down the mountain before they could hit me. I'm pretty sure it wasn't a scout however, since someone told me a heavy was heading my way and I heard forge shots hitting behind me on my way to cover.
Definitely wasn't me. I never use a heavy suit.
If it was me, I would've chased you down all the way into the red zone if I had to. And considering I can sprint two football fields in 20 seconds, you would not live. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2012.12.27 02:29:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Whoever tried sneaking up on me when I was giving overwatch wasn't, but I doubt it was you. Just saw a red dot show up behind me, and I was sprinting down the mountain before they could hit me. I'm pretty sure it wasn't a scout however, since someone told me a heavy was heading my way and I heard forge shots hitting behind me on my way to cover. Definitely wasn't me. I never use a heavy suit. If it was me, I would've chased you down all the way into the red zone if I had to. And considering I can sprint two football fields in 20 seconds, you would not live. That's why i figured it wasn't you A. not a scout B. showed up on radar
Now if someone told me they saw a scout heading my way, I would have probably moved without even bothering to watch my radar first like I did in that situation. |
Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.27 04:53:00 -
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Nova knife...hard counter to laser rifles? Doesn't get any shorter range Han that haha.
Anyone ever tried wailing on a vehicle with them? Maybe they could be like the ultimate can opener. |
Blunt Smkr
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.12.27 06:06:00 -
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Nova knives are actually pretty good.
I've finally started back on the scout an decided to throw nova knives on it an i'm having crazy fun with it. I have only been using the dragonfly dropsuit an the basic knives so far but i'm actually not doing bad managed to get like 9 knife kills one match mainly snipers but i had some pretty crazy kills with a head on attack. an anything i struggle to knife i just pull out a smg
Going to start working on my scout stuff now so hopefully befor the wipe i can try the Quafe scout dropsuits with proto knives. |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
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Posted - 2012.12.27 10:48:00 -
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someone here said the hit detection was garbage (or similar statement)
doesnt it make a difference if you knife someone in the head versus arm or torso?
i know while in a match with just friendlies (waiting on enemies) I melee'd a buddy and noticed his shields activated only on his head when i aimed there and his arm and torso... |
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2012.12.27 16:55:00 -
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I remember Maken Tosch once saying hitting in the back deals more damage- it seems to be the case with regular melee too. I hit a sniper (at full health) in the back with a shotgun (hand to hand combat level I), and it OHKed them. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2012.12.27 17:38:00 -
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Also, they must have changed something, because you can do regular melee attacks with nova knives now. Got a good deal of kills with standard ones . Even charge-stabbed one red, and immediately OHKed the other with a regular stab. |
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