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ArMaGeDoN The Cat
Systems Federation
Coalition of Galactic Unity
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Posted - 2012.12.19 23:54:00 -
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Name one thing they can do that weapons can't do better.
They are the most underpowered weapon in Dust. |
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki
Onward Defrosted Tuna Team
485
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Posted - 2012.12.19 23:55:00 -
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Sharpen a stick into a spear? |
ArMaGeDoN The Cat
Systems Federation
Coalition of Galactic Unity
157
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Posted - 2012.12.19 23:59:00 -
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Elijah Sol' Dzusaki wrote:Sharpen a stick into a spear?
And die by gunfire while doing so. |
Grimmiers
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2012.12.20 00:40:00 -
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They can scare the kitten out of you if your on the receiving end even though your life probably isn't in any danger. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.20 00:40:00 -
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It makes me proud to say the following since I am a dedicated ninja knifer.
They don't require a stupid reload. My victims can confirm that for me as they struggled to reload while trying to dodge me in a close quarter 1v1 confrontation while I sprint literally under their gun. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.20 00:55:00 -
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Stabbing people.
Attempting to stab people while getting shot. |
Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
711
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Posted - 2012.12.20 00:57:00 -
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Shank a merc. Sniper Rifles can't do that. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.20 01:02:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:It makes me proud to say the following since I am a dedicated ninja knifer.
They don't require a stupid reload. My victims can confirm that for me as they struggled to reload while trying to dodge me in a close quarter 1v1 confrontation while I sprint literally under their gun.
Can you do a regular melee with nova knives? If not, it wouldn't be too hard to just melee NKers to death. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.20 08:06:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:It makes me proud to say the following since I am a dedicated ninja knifer.
They don't require a stupid reload. My victims can confirm that for me as they struggled to reload while trying to dodge me in a close quarter 1v1 confrontation while I sprint literally under their gun. Can you do a regular melee with nova knives? If not, it wouldn't be too hard to just melee NKers to death.
No. No melee with nova knives. Fists and the butt end of a rifle are good, but only if you land a good hit. It's much harder to melee someone than you think. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1899
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Posted - 2012.12.20 08:08:00 -
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They're such a joke weapon, especially considering how expensive they are. They're good in incredibly niche situations, other than that, they're good at being a drain on resources and an endless source of laughs. |
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Free Healing
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
234
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Posted - 2012.12.20 08:21:00 -
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Well... i may be stating the obvious but since this probably isn't a serious post i'll oblige.
A pair of Nova Knifes can dish out more melee DPS than any other Weapon can.
Well now that that's out of the way.
-They're also the only weapon that can be held in both hands, and dual-wielding blades is always badass.
-They can stab people more easily than other weapons
-They are quieter than any other weapon, at least i think so.
-Easier to hip-fire than any other weapon.
That's all i got.
Keep the faith. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:06:00 -
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Name one other weapon that's silent when used and doesn't make you appear on nearby enemy mini-maps.
...and that's about it. With the right skills and buffs, you could out-DPS Nova Knives in Codex. Not sure if that's still the case now, though. Haven't checked the math properly yet. Waiting on someone who's skilled into Nova Knives to update me on the details I'm missing. |
ArMaGeDoN The Cat
Systems Federation
Coalition of Galactic Unity
157
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Posted - 2012.12.20 14:24:00 -
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Free Healing wrote:Well... i may be stating the obvious but since this probably isn't a serious post i'll oblige.
A pair of Nova Knifes can dish out more melee DPS than any other Weapon can.
Well now that that's out of the way.
-They're also the only weapon that can be held in both hands, and dual-wielding blades is always badass.
-They can stab people more easily than other weapons
-They are quieter than any other weapon, at least i think so.
-Easier to hip-fire than any other weapon.
That's all i got.
Keep the faith.
All of these points are not important.
Why?
Because you can't f'ing hit a target unless you're hugging him and he isn't moving.
If he moves, you are probably toast, unless you bunny hop in which case you have a few extra seconds.
And yes I'm sneaking behind them but I keep missing the swing because the range is so low and the hit detection for mele attacks in general is rubbish.
Garrett Blacknova wrote:Name one other weapon that's silent when used and doesn't make you appear on nearby enemy mini-maps.
...and that's about it. With the right skills and buffs, you could out-DPS Nova Knives in Codex. Not sure if that's still the case now, though. Haven't checked the math properly yet. Waiting on someone who's skilled into Nova Knives to update me on the details I'm missing.
Not important.
Good luck killing anything that's not stationary and isn't blind with it.
Even if you sneak, its rare to have enough time to charge up the knife and attack one or twice before he looks around and kills you. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.12.20 14:57:00 -
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ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Name one other weapon that's silent when used and doesn't make you appear on nearby enemy mini-maps.
...and that's about it. With the right skills and buffs, you could out-DPS Nova Knives in Codex. Not sure if that's still the case now, though. Haven't checked the math properly yet. Waiting on someone who's skilled into Nova Knives to update me on the details I'm missing. Not important. Good luck killing anything that's not stationary and isn't blind with it. Even if you sneak, its rare to have enough time to charge up the knife and attack one or twice before he looks around and kills you.
I wasn't saying it was an important advantage. I was saying it's about the only advantage you get. They WEREN'T worth the asking price in Codex, but because I don't know how much has changed, I can't be 100% certain they're the same in the current build.
OP asked what they do that other weapons don't. There is one thing they do that other weapons don't, and I said what that one thing is. I never said it made them a worthwhile option, or that it was "important" enough to be worth using them. Just that it's something that other weapons don't do. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.20 15:01:00 -
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Free Healing wrote:Well... i may be stating the obvious but since this probably isn't a serious post i'll oblige.
A pair of Nova Knifes can dish out more melee DPS than any other Weapon can.
Well now that that's out of the way.
-They're also the only weapon that can be held in both hands, and dual-wielding blades is always badass.
-They can stab people more easily than other weapons
-They are quieter than any other weapon, at least i think so.
-Easier to hip-fire than any other weapon.
That's all i got.
Keep the faith.
1. That much is true. Dual wielding is badass.
2. No they can't more easily because they are the ONLY weapons that can stab at all. Never heard of anyone trying to stab me with an assault rifle or forge gun.
3. Not really. They produce a 'shing-shing' kind of noise that is noticeable from only a short distance. I notice mercs tend to get scared whenever they hear that. It has a very good intimidation factor working for it.
4. Well, that's because you can't aim down with them and you have to be close.
ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:And yes I'm sneaking behind them but I keep missing the swing because the range is so low and the hit detection for mele attacks in general is rubbish.
The range is not as low as you think. You don't have to be hugging them in order to kill them. They have a hit distance of about close to 2-3 feet in front of you. That's about the length of your arm stretched out.
Garrett Blacknova wrote:Waiting on someone who's skilled into Nova Knives to update me on the details I'm missing.
The numbers have not changed for the Nova Knife. Not sure about the scrambler pistols though.
ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:Even if you sneak, its rare to have enough time to charge up the knife and attack one or twice before he looks around and kills you.
With the standard (1.5 sec) and advanced (1.0 sec) Nova Knives they are slow to charge and I think the skill book that effects their charge time is not having any effect at all.
However, once you get a hold on the prototype Ishukone Nova Knives (0.5 sec), they become insane. The charge time is so low that you barely have to hold down the R1 button at all to get a charge ready. Also, their damage is pretty high even with just Nova Knife Proficiency Level 2 and that's before applying the enhanced sidearm damage mods. With this configuration, I can kill most assaults in one hit and almost all heavies in three hits. Sometimes, if I'm really lucky and if I take advantage of the confusion, I can cut down 4 mercs in 10 seconds and it's all because of the insanely-fast charge time. Even when I have to sprint first to get close.
There is also one other thing people seem to forget.
The Nova Knife, if you one-hit-kill a sniper, will give the sniper a false impression that he/she was counter-sniped by someone else and will occasionally come back to the same spot. I saw this happen several times during Codex as one or two of my victims would come back to the same spot but just reposition themselves a few feet left or right thinking they are getting ample cover from the counter sniper when in fact I was waiting for them behind the hill they never checked.
As for my targets turning around at the last moment, well... that's inevitable. I occasionally run into those people. At least now I can see that snipers are checking their six like they are suppose to. |
Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2012.12.20 15:10:00 -
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as long as they require a charge and point blank range they will be balanced. kind of underpowered if u think about the cost. would like to see an option to use melee command when they are equipped for reduced damage. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2012.12.20 15:12:00 -
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I think i've only seen one nova knifer.
It was weird. He was just running at me so I just...jumped back and kept shooting.
It'll weird you out man. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.20 15:53:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I think i've only seen one nova knifer.
It was weird. He was just running at me so I just...jumped back and kept shooting.
It'll weird you out man.
It's only natural that you jumped back because you know once that knife touches your assault suit you're dead. |
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GM Vegas
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
298
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:45:00 -
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I've seen a Quafe Agent during last weeks Event doing pretty well with a Nova Knife! ;) |
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:48:00 -
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GM Vegas wrote:I've seen a Quafe Agent during last weeks Event doing pretty well with a Nova Knife! ;)
So you saw someone in CCP using proto gear and a nova knife. Wonder how many bullets welcomed his face before he got his first kill lol |
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Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:51:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:It makes me proud to say the following since I am a dedicated ninja knifer.
They don't require a stupid reload. My victims can confirm that for me as they struggled to reload while trying to dodge me in a close quarter 1v1 confrontation while I sprint literally under their gun.
Mass driver, dodge that. |
crazy space
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:52:00 -
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Can you run with it now ? |
Magpie Raven
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
161
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:53:00 -
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I dont see them much but one time a heard this swush swush sound and i was like dafuq!!!!. then i died. He killed me at least 4 time that game. I was in a heavy suit and i crapped myself everytime i saw him. |
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GM Vegas
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
298
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:57:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:So you saw someone in CCP using proto gear and a nova knife. Wonder how many bullets welcomed his face before he got his first kill lol
Well you do see a few bullets coming your way but as long as you don't get one shoted, you have a real chance of getting a kill! ;) It does wonders in extremely close combat!
You might not want to run around the battlefield though..!
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steadyhand amarr
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
338
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:02:00 -
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As opposed to just standing still in a battle.. Dam those snipers had it right the whole time :-P |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:04:00 -
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Once they add in cloak nova knifin' is ganna be legit. But hopefully player count is doubled by then so cloaking doesn't OP everything it touches. And there'll be counter mods to cloaks to reveal them to yourself and those around you. |
Reimus Klinsman
BetaMax.
319
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:14:00 -
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Would be nice if they had a chance of messing up the other persons reload. |
Musta Tornius
BetaMax.
265
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:16:00 -
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Paging Nova Knife, where are you Nova Knife? |
Yagihige
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:19:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:
The Nova Knife, if you one-hit-kill a sniper, will give the sniper a false impression that he/she was counter-sniped by someone else and will occasionally come back to the same spot.
Who is so oblivious to not read on the top right corner what weapon killed them?
Oh well, i guess some snipers are really dense. I've seen quite a few and it's like they can't pay attention to anything but their scope, and barely even that. Good snipers are but a few, horrible snipers are everywhere.
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:27:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:
The Nova Knife, if you one-hit-kill a sniper, will give the sniper a false impression that he/she was counter-sniped by someone else and will occasionally come back to the same spot.
Who is so oblivious to not read on the top right corner what weapon killed them? Oh well, i guess some snipers are really dense. I've seen quite a few and it's like they can't pay attention to anything but their scope, and barely even that. Good snipers are but a few, horrible snipers are everywhere.
I know right? I mean, it's like the sniper is like...
"Um, why I am dying in this same spot over and over again? And I don't know but I keep seeing this message on the top-right corner and I don't know what it is. I think it's trying to tell me something." |
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