I am playing this game to kill you AND take your stuff.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/12/11/dust-514-war-and-profit/

In this devblog we find out that we don't get stuff from our kills but instead it's some lame randomized World of Warcraft NPC loot table.

A game is either a loot game or it isn't.

Eve is a loot game. Dust514 isn't.

4 out of 10 sleepy I expect better trolling from you. Your getting lasy

"This system is temporary, and serves as a stepping stone towards final implementation, which should prove far more robust and enjoyable."

Eve is a loot game. Dust514 isn't.

Well fine if you guys arent happy then I am more than happy to have all officer weapons and modules deleted you don't need them to randomly drop.

It's fine the way it is. I'm not spending 5 minutes after a game going to pick sh*t up. Also, random drops encourage spreading out and usign SP in different areas. If everyone just dropped GEK's or Duvolles, the game would suck.

Why is it always imperfects the first to start posting their displeasure about anything?

so wait...you want to stop in the middle of a firefight to loot a corpse...in an fps?


CCP I agree we should let this happen, I could use the free kills to pad my score.

"game-breakingly bad", don't be a drama queen.

As I said

"""In no way do I think we should battle loot or loot the field afterward.

The loot table should simply come from the existing players gear. Your squad should share in the kills. If a high meta item drops (ie a Duvolle) there should be a pass/roll dialog for the good stuff."""

If CCP NEEDS to put out the officer gear via hisec pub matches because there is no other route then this game is a failing anyway.

I hope they implement this so we can all see you whine when all you get is militia assault rifles off the opposing team.

This is part of the whole point.

This would motivate players to move to fighting in lowsec and nullsec matches.

Solid geared players would go find other geared players to kill not JUST because of the ISK payouts on the contracts.

I hope they implement this so we can all see you whine when all you get is militia assault rifles off the opposing team.

this.
this is why im against making hisec too corp friendly otherwise ppl will never want to leave their comfort zones

The current system is random with little input from battle, we knew this already. It's a placeholder for the real system.

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In eve loot and salvage were two different things, why not wait to see more of plan before complaining?

Reread the devblog and notice that they describe the FUTURE system. There is no mention of looting your enemies.

Read forward from """Once complete, the full system will..."""

So, nobody else is freaking out about the "light assault rifle"?

I don't understand what everyone is complaining about. Your team get more ISK by winning a match against a team with more expensive gear, right? The difference between getting parts of their gear and then sell it anyway isn't that big.

We like making you feel bad bro.

It would be nice if the drops you got are primarily from the mercs you killed,

But you don't fight alone. It's not oneToOne. Every mercs in your team directly on inderectly affect how much red dots you kill.

lol be funny watching you all using a salavager on a dead body which may take a few cycles to get the gd stuff then get shot

TBH im fine with the pot luck simply because you aint gonna get everything from everyone you killed and be damed if the game will remeber that crap for each person in each battle

This random loot is the best idea tbh and its pot luck anyways, sure id love to get tanks that i killed as my tanks but tough **** tbh and my fit costs me 2.3mil so i need it alot more than a bunch of suits that i get but either way current system is fine

Having the pool restricted to actual loot on the field would drive you out of pubstomping hisec matches.

You wouldn't bring your 2.3m tank out if all you got was trash militia gear.

You are the reason the system needs to change.

Sure i would

System is fine

Be funny if all one side comes out in proto gear, other side in milita basically farming the otherside out of proto items

Are you really gonna stand ther for a 1min and use a salvager on a dead body to get loot? corse not your 'pro' and thats DUSTs way of mining for noobs to do

This randoms loot is the best way tbh because the game aint going to remeber who you killed and what you will get just for 1 person then go and times that by a 1000players and then again if we have 10000 players and so on

Plus the bodies burn up after death and not all mods survive this end so you cant pick and choose you get what your given

Totally get what you're saying Telc, half the scrubs on this forum seem to be dumbasses.

Heres how I always envisioned how salvage was going to work.

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This would all be split between the winning team based on WP, with Salvage modules possibly adding more of a chance to gain random items from a seperate loot pool.

So we have a Player Loot pool and then you have a loot pool that adds random things in that are varied on how much was destroyed, what Salvage modules both teams had. This is where Officer Weapons, skill books and other things would come in. Perhap bumping it up so it's like a 1/40 chance for anything to actually come from that pool.

So when they use a loot system where everything comes from players who die...

...how are we supposed to collect Officer weapons that nobody has access to except by looting them?

I like the idea of a certain PORTION of the loot being the gear your opponents used, or at the very least having any vehicles you hacked come into your loot collection after the battle, but beyond maybe a small portion of "this is what you killed" gear, I like the current system.

officer weapons could always be salvage in eve. that way they would still be available to mercs through the market.

I am playing this game to kill you AND take your stuff.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/12/11/dust-514-war-and-profit/

In this devblog we find out that we won't get stuff from our kills but instead it's going to continue to be some lame randomized World of Warcraft NPC loot table.

A game is either a loot game or it isn't.

Eve is a loot game. Dust514 isn't.

To clarify -

1. This devblog is describing a FUTURE system that doesn't include real looting. The temporary system in place is being made permanent. Reread the devblog.

If this isn't balanced into the game SOON it won't be patched in. ISK payouts are balanced against all the current gear (that people actually want) being destroyed. What we get now is random trash that you don't even need 95% of the time.

2. I don't think we should actually have to run around and loot, that would be irritating. Just that the loot pool should come from the people you killed not from some magic random pool. The losers of the match get no salvage.

3. Having real loot would do good things for the game.
It would make experienced players to leave hisec to go find other geared people to kill.
It would give a sense of -real- reward for fighting hard against people with expensive gear.
If someone tries to push Dust mercs out of territory with bad players wearing proto/AUR gear, it will actually HELP the winning side, as it should.
It would make some actual sense where the loot was coming from :P

4. We shouldn't be getting Officer loot from killing people in militia gear. We need some other methods/reasons that the Officer stuff comes into the game. Temporarily adding them to the random loot pool should be only temporary.

this is bull... and another example of why console players really don't know what the f they are doing:

you "LOOT" somthing as an action:
i killed you.
i walk to your dead avatar
i hit the "Loot" button
i get your stuff.

THAT is mmo. THAT is looting.

this salvage crap?
just some random crap assigned to you by the game itself as sort of a "well whatever, it was here, i guess you can have it" is not mmo. it's not looting and should never have been adverted as such, which im not gonna go searching to find but i know damn well has been done.

all this chopping up crap based on stats is for the friggin birds.

if you can't be killed while you are looting something, it's not looting.

and this is yet another reason why 514 is not what it was claimed to be. it's not an mmo. it's just a persistant fps.

why they won't actually commit to the ideas that they originally put in place is beyond me.

but this salvage crap is just crap. codboi crap at that.

Peace
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headshot damage = high slot modules
upper body (stomach and up) shot damage = low slot modules and weapons
lower body (hips and below) shot damage = equipment and grenades

A = Shield repair
B = Assault Riffle
C = Armor plate

playerA = A,B,C

playerB hits playerA with 75 damage (head)
playerC hits playerA with 25 (head)

(the damage is also used as their % chance to win possible loot)

looters = playerB, playerC

FOR EACH item IN playerA
item.damage = damage recieved in area

if item.damage < 70 (this is the variable CCP deams fair to being broken beyond repair)
looters.winner = (do calculation for item assigning)
item.lootable = true
item.looter = looters.winner
end if
NEXT

I would prefer a system that hands out items based on the individual kill not on the team as a whole:

damage at certain points of the body affect the damage on the potential drop items:


from here the player is then assigned the item fairly.

This means those who did absolutely nothing the whole match or simply wasn't involved in the kill can not reap the rewards from your efforts. Something that would really **** me off if my forge gun kills downed vehicles.

well that does leave it open to people who attend and don't do anything, a couple of times I've gone afk a whole match (accident sometimes, sometimes not), It just doesn't sit well that someone who had no role in me downing the enemy gets my loot. in other mmo games, only those involved get to roll.

< forger gunner. means I would get vehicle loot. But I do get the odd infantry kill too ;) ;)

Did you even read my OP? I'm not suggesting salvagers on field, just that the loot pool come from the dead players instead of being random.

Try to think of the game as it will be, ie hisec/lowsec and then nullsec. Think about risk/reward.

It will always be random anyways, the bodies burn up mods are lost and you get what you get, it barely a change from the current system we already have which is fine except it needs tweeking so we get all mods dropsuit and vehicle mods

Do you know how Eve works?

What I'm suggesting is basically Eve but with some compromises for the lobby shooter that we play in Dust514.

While some things I agree would be nice like the loot table being generated from the enemy deaths I keep in my mind that the more complex a mechanic is something somewhere else must be made less complex since we are playing a console game not a PC based game like eve. The hardware limitations mean we all may have our wish list but we must remember the developers must allocate resources especially with what is soon last Gen hardware. So for me I can think of at least a dozen other areas where I would rather see hardware resources and developer time spent before launch, like maybe the number of players in a match or squad size or graphics enhancements rather than loot tables derived from reality.

Edit

Oh and since this thread is so important to the success of dust and therefore CCP I think it should be stickied and then a rule added to the forum rules that everyone should read this thread before posting any new threads of their own. I swear the success of dust and CCP absolutely depends on everyone reading this thread!

My edit is ALMOST as melodramatic as your thread title. :)

"the current loot system is a temporary stepping stone to what we'll get in future. of course it's not perfect, but it's better than nothing"

it's not a loot system.
jesus.


and the solution is simple:

if i kill you, and i get to your corpse in time and i "hit x to loot" and i don't get killed, then i get what you had in your kit at the time and you lose that gear from your inventory, permanently.

that's looting.

anything else is just console milk for the veal.

no i don't expect this game to be finished right now.

i do expect this game to be what they hyped it to be back way back before the betas started.

which it is not.

Peace
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This is about 2k of memory on the server side fwiw.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobytes

We like making you feel bad bro.

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I could be wrong but you quoting wikipedia for how much memory you THINK this would take leads me to the safe assumption you have never programmed before.

they do, however the current system is there merely to test if loot disrobution works and is not the final system.

read what you just wrote, "Once Complete" it's not complete, it's not the full final system

"the current loot system is a temporary stepping stone to what we'll get in future. of course it's not perfect, but it's better than nothing"

it's not a loot system.
jesus.


and the solution is simple:

if i kill you, and i get to your corpse in time and i "hit x to loot" and i don't get killed, then i get what you had in your kit at the time and you lose that gear from your inventory, permanently.

that's looting.

anything else is just console milk for the veal.

no i don't expect this game to be finished right now.

i do expect this game to be what they hyped it to be back way back before the betas started.

which it is not.

Peace
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Once complete, the full system will allow players to influence the quality and quantity of the salvage they receive. Play in a battle with more players and more destruction, and there will more to salvage, and victory earns you the lionGÇÖs share of the spoils. Equip modules that assist you in finding better salvage, and you will become much more likely to receive higher quality items, such as the rare Officer-tier weapons. Quality and type of salvage will also potentially differ based upon the planet you fight on, with rare gear most likely found on nullsec planets.

Yes you are wrong. I program for a living.

You are rather profoundly confused about what information is stored on your ps3 and what's "in memory" in CCP's servers and what's committed to the databases that store this information.

"This system is temporary, and serves as a stepping stone towards final implementation, which should prove far more robust and enjoyable."