So how do you get 365 days of boosters both passive & active SP without spending that AUR?

You dont be that much of a SP *****?

Seriously after a year are u really gonna need SP boosters? your main class will be maxed out.

there is no other way to gain that Sp, except to pay

You dont be that much of a SP *****?

Seriously after a year are u really gonna need SP boosters? your main class will be maxed out.

Tbh, Tenchu ya right. No point me playing.

Boosters really don't make that much of a big deal. I've got 6mil SP, I've used the 30 day booster I had and I bought a couple of 1 day boosters on the wednesday just to max out my SP cap so I didn't have to worry about grinding. It's really all about putting your skills into one thing instead of many.

So how do you get 365 days of boosters both passive & active SP without spending that AUR?

you just dont...... unless you have the money. Thats how the system works, but your missing the point. Skill boosters are just a way to get people places faster, the idea behind this system is that everyone can get to the same spot eventually, weather one person gets there a week earlier or not really doesn't matter on the grand scheme of things. If this game launches with a hundred thousand people and the top 10% of them invest in skill boosters ect..... then you'll have 10,000 people who get ahead of the other 90,000 people by a little bit (if they play until they hit the sp cap) but because of the SP cap theres a limit to how far ahead someone can get per week. So my point is that, if someone wants to spend 30$ a month so that by the end of the month they get around 500 - 1 mill SP more then me..... well.... then so be it! In response ill either spend my own money on the game to help myself skill up a bit faster, or ill go buy a couple pizzas down the street, i dont really care.

furthermore if this game ends up anything like eve, then there will be a very in depth economy/market place. Im jussssttttt guesing but i know that on eve you can buy PLEX's off the market using isk (Plex would be the eve equivelent of AUR). SOOOOOO using logic, it would be understandable if someone in DUST would eventually be able to buy AUR with isk, and not spend a dime. Of course AUR would be expensive at rates like...... "10,000 AUR = 10,000,000 Million ISK" but thats just how its going to be. the cost of one PLEX in eve is 20$, and right now one PLEX costs over 500,000,000 million ISK in game. So you see guys...... thats how your going to get 365 days worth of boosters...... through paying!!! in isk...... (any complaints???)

LoL sure they're not. Only 50% additional SP. And we all know SP isn't OP
*facepalm*
This is more about price, and who wants to spend -ú300 a year and who just cba to play what we see as a p2w game. Not about my personally being pretty good, and now being a scrub because everyone has AR proficiency when I got grenades (which are rubbish btw).

You will be able to buy Aur item's on the market not aurum itself

You will be able to buy Aur item's on the market not aurum itself

Additionally, once they fully integrate the secondary market (where you can buy/sell AUR items from other mercs for ISK) it won't be an issue anymore, in fact, all of the p2w evaporates once that is incorporated, imo because you can buy anything put on the market with isk then.

Well, it's 14000 a week, so 64000 a month, and 728000 AUR a year. That's around -ú350 a year. Just to stay competative. With no UVT or AUR gear, that's JUST for SP. there is no other way to gain that Sp, except to pay.

Who wants to spend -ú350 a year on a f2p game, and how many would not bother to play when we can't keep pace, because someone has more money than you?

I have no wish to play a subscription game. Especially -ú30 a month.

I hate to tell you this. But, you can. On the EvE market there are aurum tokens that people sell for isk. They come in 100, 500 and 1,000 aurum. Each one looks different. More then likely since it's on the market. You'll have access.

Aurum value is different in EVE than it is in Dust what's the going rate in isk for those token's as a 1000 aurum is not going to net you much in Dust maybe before they changed aurum by a factor of 10 also as it's been a few year's since i last played what's the exchange ratio for a plex to aurum

Alright come on, we both know you're being picky. First of all, you say "we need all those boosters just to stay competitive". Booster cannot buy "skill" or "teamwork" and skill points still need to be earned. And what, you want to stay competitive with the 1-2 people who may buy boosters for the whole year?

What a silly topic, Boosters don't increase the SP cap just give you bonus SP each match, so instead of needing to play 30 games in a week to reach the cap you need to play 20, hardly a huge advantage for the people paying for them, it does how ever give people a sense that they are progressing faster, which isn't really true they basically racing between traffic lights in the inner city.

As it is each build there are less and less AUR items that provide any real advantage to a player and it worries me that the game will not be financially viable if people don't have some reason to buy things, for the record I generally don't use AUR gear besides buying some cistern nanohives for the tourny.

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boosters arent a big deal

Boosters already increase the cap. They going to increase the increased cap next. The current capgap is around a million a month. It was painfully obvious when we played Imperfects that they had better gear than me, (proto vs advanced) and I really struggled. To put things in perspective that 1-2 mil from 1-2 months is enough for a Proto suit and 12% more damage PASSIVE than I have. It's the equivalent of 4*small damage modules, AND having better suit/modules. That's quite an advantage.

Boosters already increase the cap. They going to increase the increased cap next. The current capgap is around a million a month. It was painfully obvious when we played Imperfects that they had better gear than me, (proto vs advanced) and I really struggled. To put things in perspective that 1-2 mil from 1-2 months is enough for a Proto suit and 12% more damage PASSIVE than I have. It's the equivalent of 4*small damage modules, AND having better suit/modules. That's quite an advantage.

Well once you get everything then what? Will AUR be still pay to win? It will take you a bit longer but in the end it will be an even playing field. Seriously all you need to do is skill up in one line and use that to your advantage.

What this guy said, having everything doesn't really give that big of an advantage over someone who put their SP to skill up into one role.

The only problem with putting all your eggs in one basket is the Nerfhards on Nerf 514. If you put al your skills into say ARs and CCP nerfs ARs then you may as well pull your pants down for a PBS. You will end up being someones beyotch. Oh well!

Well once you get everything then what? Will AUR be still pay to win? It will take you a bit longer but in the end it will be an even playing field. Seriously all you need to do is skill up in one line and use that to your advantage.

Boosters already increase the cap. They going to increase the increased cap next. The current capgap is around a million a month. It was painfully obvious when we played Imperfects that they had better gear than me, (proto vs advanced) and I really struggled. To put things in perspective that 1-2 mil from 1-2 months is enough for a Proto suit and 12% more damage PASSIVE than I have. It's the equivalent of 4*small damage modules, AND having better suit/modules. That's quite an advantage.

Active skill boosters - SP cap limit and how it works with active skill boosters
Update: There will a hotfix this month that will increase your active SP cap when using the active skill boosters.

Well, it's 14000 a week, so 64000 a month, and 728000 AUR a year. That's around -ú350 a year. Just to stay competative. With no UVT or AUR gear, that's JUST for SP. there is no other way to gain that Sp, except to pay.

Who wants to spend -ú350 a year on a f2p game, and how many would not bother to play when we can't keep pace, because someone has more money than you?

I have no wish to play a subscription game. Especially -ú30 a month.

not exactly, CCP wants the the SP to last of a period of 7 years.

WAIIIT... so ccp wants us to play for exactly 7 years just to get somewhere? F*** this..

7 yrs to max out a character in all skills.

but no ones going to do that...

You'd be surprised.

Boosters already increase the cap. They going to increase the increased cap next. The current capgap is around a million a month. It was painfully obvious when we played Imperfects that they had better gear than me, (proto vs advanced) and I really struggled. To put things in perspective that 1-2 mil from 1-2 months is enough for a Proto suit and 12% more damage PASSIVE than I have. It's the equivalent of 4*small damage modules, AND having better suit/modules. That's quite an advantage.

If they want to raise the cap, they should make it cost ISK so at least everyone who is playing the game for free can do it too and make a separate AUR based item that increases accrual rate for those with less time to play.

Sorry I didn't specify EXACTLY which players had more SP... apparently that implies all Imperfects including those who didn't play had better gear. Apologies if you want to dwell on that specific battle, but it's just the best example I can give of KNOWING I had no chance. I honestly couldn't believe they already had Proto gear at that stage.

It's called prioritizing what you need and sticking with the plan. Not spec cling into everything thinking you are going to be good.

Last time I checked I died in one hit to a properly fit dropship missile turret with Proto during the tourney. Proto's barely gives an advantage, 3 more hits with an AR is such an advantage.

I love killing kids with straight up militia gear who are in high tier gear. SP doesn't make the player better, skill does. I love everybody that's in denial. SP is not the problem, it's your skill.

The gap in sp gets less noticeable with time.
In EvE, I made a second account after my first was about 9 months old. After my main was 2 years old and the second account was 15 months they were pretty close in ability. The main was more flexible, but in each's specialty they were about even.

The boosters will seem pay to win for the first months, then the gap won't matter as much. The main problem is scary off the to much of player base in those months. There will also be people joining the game a year or two after launch. It will take them a while to reach the sp of somebody that played from launch casually, even with full boosters hitting the cap every week.

If it follows eve, which it appears to, a new player will be at a disadvantage till around 3million sp when decent gear is available and they start grasping game quirks. At around 15million the good pvp groups can use them on their teams alongside people with 100million plus sp players.

The boosters will allow late comers to try to partially catch up as much as they let some get ahead, double edged sword.

I think the passive boosters would be good to train alts, and when taking a break to play another game. If ccp can get people to give them money to not play dust when they play somebody else's new game, it will help dust. If people spent money on a booster when they play another game, they will have incentive to come back to dust, and CCP will get a profit spike when competitors make releases.

The earlier comment about ar skills, if somebody has ar op 4 a booster would only get them 1/2 way to ar op5. Not into proficiency. Lv5 costs about as much as levels 1-4 combined. So somebody that trained mechanics and weaponry to 5 could have trained engineering, electronics, weaponry, and mechanics to lv4 for same sp.