I haven't played dust for a few weeks now, due to one thing mainly.

Group sizing.

I'll make this short, cause no one wants to hear this dead horse again, but these are my two cents. We need to be able to fill a whole team with friends/clan mates. With corp battles being only 8v8, with no reward for individuals, pub matches are far more fun and rewarding. We NEED larger groups, 6 people is fine, 8 is better. We should also be allowed to either link groups, or just make one large group (up to 16 people). My main reasoning for this is simple..

I'm tired of playing against my friends. it's ridiculous that we are given absolutely no control over who we play alongside, unless we forgo advancing our characters (no SP in corp battles) or play a different game.

I've opted for the later. I doubt I'm the only one. I'm sure some people will cry about "bu..bu... bu... teh overpowered one-sided pub matches!"

Kinda like the "overpowered one-sided" pub matches we have already when you and your 3 friends go up against two dudes with tanks and your team just happens to have absolutely no AV capability? yeah. That is way more fair than once in a while running into a semi-organized (in most cases) enemy.

That or give us 16v16 (and bigger, as the game progresses) corp battles, with full SP/ISK rewards.

Corp matches aren't rewarding? Depends on the contracts you accept I suppose.

What we need is corp battles that are more than 8v8. Letting a corp fully stack one team against random people would be ridiculous, there'd be little chance an unorganized team could beat an organized team used to working together.

What we need is corp battles that are more than 8v8. Letting a corp fully stack one team against random people would be ridiculous, there'd be little chance an unorganized team could beat an organized team used to working together.

I haven't played dust for a few weeks now, due to one thing mainly.

Group sizing.

I'll make this short, cause no one wants to hear this dead horse again, but these are my two cents. We need to be able to fill a whole team with friends/clan mates. With corp battles being only 8v8, with no reward for individuals, pub matches are far more fun and rewarding. We NEED larger groups, 6 people is fine, 8 is better. We should also be allowed to either link groups, or just make one large group (up to 16 people). My main reasoning for this is simple..

I'm tired of playing against my friends. it's ridiculous that we are given absolutely no control over who we play alongside, unless we forgo advancing our characters (no SP in corp battles) or play a different game.

I've opted for the later. I doubt I'm the only one. I'm sure some people will cry about "bu..bu... bu... teh overpowered one-sided pub matches!"

Kinda like the "overpowered one-sided" pub matches we have already when you and your 3 friends go up against two dudes with tanks and your team just happens to have absolutely no AV capability? yeah. That is way more fair than once in a while running into a semi-organized (in most cases) enemy.

That or give us 16v16 (and bigger, as the game progresses) corp battles, with full SP/ISK rewards.

Exactly. Teams of randoms can barely handle 4 man squads right now and you want your entire corp in the same pub? Please...

what about a separate quene one for jsut small squads of 4 and randoms and then another quene where 2 or more squads can quene up and be on the same team. kinda like corp battles but the corp dosent get money and that quene is matched with onther squads for instance.

me and 3 buddys quene up in the game type modes we have now in instant battle and we get in battles like now with lots of randoms but we still got a few friends.

and then another quene for 2 or more squads quening up together that put against other groups of atleast 2 squads of the same corp. kinda like an un offical corp battle with a few randoms.

you can add more squads up to 4 squads on 1 corp vs 4 squads on the other but your quene would be longer since you can only fight a similar group composition..

everyone following me?

I haven't played dust for a few weeks now, due to one thing mainly.

Group sizing.

I'll make this short, cause no one wants to hear this dead horse again, but these are my two cents. We need to be able to fill a whole team with friends/clan mates. With corp battles being only 8v8, with no reward for individuals, pub matches are far more fun and rewarding. We NEED larger groups, 6 people is fine, 8 is better. We should also be allowed to either link groups, or just make one large group (up to 16 people). My main reasoning for this is simple..

I'm tired of playing against my friends. it's ridiculous that we are given absolutely no control over who we play alongside, unless we forgo advancing our characters (no SP in corp battles) or play a different game.

I've opted for the later. I doubt I'm the only one. I'm sure some people will cry about "bu..bu... bu... teh overpowered one-sided pub matches!"

Kinda like the "overpowered one-sided" pub matches we have already when you and your 3 friends go up against two dudes with tanks and your team just happens to have absolutely no AV capability? yeah. That is way more fair than once in a while running into a semi-organized (in most cases) enemy.

That or give us 16v16 (and bigger, as the game progresses) corp battles, with full SP/ISK rewards.

Corp matches aren't rewarding? Depends on the contracts you accept I suppose.

Considering if you met that group in a pub match, every player would get at least 1m+ individually at the end of the game, yes they aren't rewarding.

true but the idea of hisec pub matches isnt to be a corp stomping ground
infact ccp should encourage corps to get out of hisec
right now contracts dont mean much but i expect that to change.

CCP needs to make hisec unrewarding for corps so they look to seek greener pastures
if by implementing a teamwide grouping mechanic where ppl can fill entire teams and get decent to great rewards u take away any reason for the majority of corps to even go losec and play FW corp battles.

Caz mentioned this in 1 of his posts and i agree with him
4 man squads are fine for 16v16
6 man squads are fine for 24v24
8 man squads are fine for 32v32

that way games arent totally dominated by 1 corp just showing up for a free win to farm red dots and the casual players and solo players can still wonder around and play without having to constantly worry or back out of games for fear of just gettin wrecked everytime and not enjoying themselves.

Ppl gotta look at the bigger picture and the bigger picture is there are always alot more casuals playing a game than clan oriented players. We already have lowsec and nullsec for corps to stomp around in dont need to take away the only place the majority of the playerbase can have some fun as well

Maybe the idea shouldn't be get corps out of high sec, it should be to get randoms into corps.
We are playing a team-based game that doesn't allow organized teams. Remember MAG? Yeah... The whole no clan deploy thing was GRRREEEAAATTT....

Honestly, I get sick of hearing "protect the casuals". Make DUST a hardcore game, and the hardcore fans will support it to its death. And slowly the game sill grow larger. FOTM players aren't gonna be incentivized to play more by iving them boring pub games with a team full of random bluedots. Corps are the main draw of DUST, and thats where the focus should be, not the butthurt feelings of casual #736265227 who is mad he got trumped by teamwork.

Pubstomping is a reality of any large team based game. And honestly, thats fine. The people who will stay with DUST will find a corp to join and avoid getting pubstomped, and the casuals will leave anyways like they would have done.

The way the gaming industry works is this - You get casuals to obtain hardcore. Since they're concentrating on launch casuals should be there focus. Afterwords, the hardcore players get the love.

Maybe the idea shouldn't be get corps out of high sec, it should be to get randoms into corps.
We are playing a team-based game that doesn't allow organized teams. Remember MAG? Yeah... The whole no clan deploy thing was GRRREEEAAATTT....

Honestly, I get sick of hearing "protect the casuals". Make DUST a hardcore game, and the hardcore fans will support it to its death. And slowly the game sill grow larger. FOTM players aren't gonna be incentivized to play more by iving them boring pub games with a team full of random bluedots. Corps are the main draw of DUST, and thats where the focus should be, not the butthurt feelings of casual #736265227 who is mad he got trumped by teamwork.

Pubstomping is a reality of any large team based game. And honestly, thats fine. The people who will stay with DUST will find a corp to join and avoid getting pubstomped, and the casuals will leave anyways like they would have done.

DUST isnt protecting the casuals tho
please show me where it is?
u cannot FORCE ppl to join corps
like i said there are TWO lower security zones for hardcore play pubs will NEVER be hardcore play so why ppl want to zerg with full teams in pubs and find that fun and say "ppl are trounced by teamwork" no i can tell u 1st hand it does not take any sort of decent teamwork at all to beat randoms in pubs its quite appalling how most just roll over.

ur method hurts the game by trying to force the majority of ppl into corps instead of giving bigger benefits to corps moving out to fight each other. U have the casual friendly hisec and then u have low and null catering to hardcore, those that generally interested in teamwork and the big draw of dust will eventually find themselves into a lowsec/nullsec corp and continue on THAT is the draw of DUST.

Im pretty sure most ppl if not everyone here got drawn into DUST for the deeper meaningful battles and not to pub stomp casuals/randoms with full teams. Am i right or wrong J?

PS: clan/zerg deploy in MAG still is terrible. MAG should of had proper clan match options and not allowed ppl to just zerg randoms. Honestly speaking MAG became ALOT more boring once zerg deploy was added and back in PHI we started rollin 2+ squads in a game instead of 1, spent alot more time waiting for games than actually playing.

Hes right. Would ruin the game for those who don't have corps. Squad size should be increased only when player count is increased proportionally.

Eh. I could agree with your points above, except it makes for boring gameplay right now. I don't really want to play against randoms all day in a 4 man squad. But the alternstive is a corp battle with only 8 players that doesn't award me any SP or ISK personally, and thats just pointless to me.

Honestly the crux of the disagreement is whether or not organized groups in pub mathes will ruin the game. I say it will make it more fun, at the moment I find DUST pretty bland. You guys think it will turn away casuals and kill the game.

I hate to say it, but their needs to be some form of corp match that awards ISK/SP, because otherwise I will never play this game in the low/null sec areas. I think at some point we are all just gonna have to deal with people farming SP in corp battles, because otherwise it makes the game pointless for those playing legitamitely.

Whilst I personally love the idea of being able to deploy with more of my corpmates (Very tired of killing one another. We seem to bring out really expensive gear to fight one another xD) but it would be awful. You need to think of the consequences before doing such a thing.

Pubstomping is quite bad with just 4 players. I mean, Me, Crafty and Hughes went around with Balacs the other day and ended up killing over 20-25 each in a single match. The blue dots mopped up the few left and we lost 2 clones (bloody blue dots.) If we had a bigger squad it would've been over faster and we probably wouldn't of lost those clones.

So thats with 3 capable players. Imagine if we had 3 more? or 5 more?

My point is that you give people this option right now and it'll only result in players stomping newbies(/notsogoodplayers) and it becomes very unfair and very unfun very quickly.