Cyn, i feel ya, i think everyone agrees militia shotguns (and all thereafter) are OP. At point blank w/o headshot multiplier and shotty does b/t 300-500 damage per shot pending on # of pellets that hit.

Personally ive been saying shotguns need b/t a 50-70% damage reduction across the board, to make people actually spend sp into shotguns for them to be truly lethal

Realistically, the plasma shotgun behaves like a sawed-off shotgun, right? Too get enough damage to one-shot someone, you should really have to be right up against them. Getting two-shotted from 5 meters is more than a little ridiculous.

Just what the title suggests. Am I crying... hell yea.

A militia fit shotgun shouldn't two shot a proto or B series assault suit. I worry more about coming around a blind corner to face a shotgun than I do an HMG user. Shotguns are a no skill wep and I understand they need to be close range to do good damage, just not THIS good.

My point is free mitlia gear, mainly shotgun, shouldnt be able to 3 shot heavies and 1-2 shot scout/Assault suits. Please look into the statistics for this weapon. And yea I know where this post goes.


Whiny AR user out.

Aw geez! Seriously how many shotgunners do you see in the leaderboards? None. How many shotgunners you know have a KD or more than 2 (except cest moi)? None.

Shotguns are fine. Your luck just ran out because you ran into a shotgunner.

Every shotgunner that has tried to shotgun me in the past has been shot in the face. If anything shotguns need a range and damage boost.

Aw geez! Seriously how many shotgunners do you see in the leaderboards? None. How many shotgunners you know have a KD or more than 2 (except cest moi)? None.

Shotguns are fine. Your luck just ran out because you ran into a shotgunner.

Every shotgunner that has tried to shotgun me in the past has been shot in the face. If anything shotguns need a range and damage boost.

my shotgunner uses cheap stuff (never more then 20k, normally like 2 k for av grenades) and has 1.2 mill sp total. his kdr is betwen 4 and 6 while i have only played him last 2 weeks. I ran into howdidthataste recently and 2 shot him by jumping around and hitting in the head. I would lose most of those 1v1 battles with my main in a b series and duv 120k fit.

yes shotguns have role but when you pair it with a scout suit, biotics, skills, jumping, headshots, reload/shoot function, and hitdectection issues you get a cheap OP killing machine.

Like i said you dont see the extent of it till scouts skill up, biotics used, physical skills used. The over nerf to scouts this build made everyone go a different direction.

also leaderboards has no meaning when it comes to the balance of the shotguns

yes shotguns have role but when you pair it with a scout suit, biotics, skills, jumping, headshots, reload/shoot function, and hitdectection issues you get a cheap OP killing machine.

The shotgun is a weapon that affords skill. You need to center your aiming at the enemy and then shot.

@Sentient Archon, you are slowly becoming my new favorite forum warrior, keep it up man

Hmm your comment seems the opposite of "skill". But I appreciate your 2nd place opinion in this thread.

Dark Cloud is right. Do you know how long it takes to line up a headshot with a red dot when the red dot is bouncing around like a bunny? Its like trying to hit a fly with a baseball bat. If it connects great, if not your are just swinging at the air.

Same is the case with shotguns. You only get a couple of shots to take someone out. If they are dumb enough to stand still, they are dumb enough to get killed.

Just my 0.02 AUR.

What???????? Wegnum's gonna be mad? Take it back! Take it back!

He deserves it... I can barely keep up

Hey, if I die from a proto shotgun in one shot. I have no problem. That player put SP and ISK for the shotgun.

It's when a freaking militia shotgun comes and kills my 500+shields 125+armor proto suit in 1 or 2 shots. I fully expect to take 4-5 shots from a militia shotgun in my proto suit.

Dark cloud: Yeah it is so hard to just walk and run up behind players who are so unaware of their surrounding and place that huge circle reticle and get one hit kills.

Hey, if I die from a proto shotgun in one shot. I have no problem. That player put SP and ISK for the shotgun.

It's when a freaking militia shotgun comes and kills my 500+shields 125+armor proto suit in 1 or 2 shots. I fully expect to take 4-5 shots from a militia shotgun in my proto suit.

Dark cloud: Yeah it is so hard to just walk and run up behind players who are so unaware of their surrounding and place that huge circle reticle and get one hit kills.

Thread is not about shotguns. The thread is about militia shotguns. They are much like militia swarms, too good to be free.

like i care the drawback off the militia shotgun is it needs more CPU/PG then the normal lvl 1 standard shotgun, has only 6 instead off 8 shells in terms off capacity and the reload time is 1 sec for each shell compared to 0.6 secs off the regular shotgun. All militia weapons do the exact same damage like standard weapons including AR, Snipers, swarm launchers etc. Now you want that a militia weapon to be complete useless. And why you complain about it so much? Its just a difference between like 12.000 SP from a militia shotgun to a standard shotgun. And i dont give a crap if its a militia shotgun or not. You just have to accept that certain weapons do a much better job in different situations. The laser rifle beats the AR on medium-long range, the shotgun beats it on close range, the HMG wins on close-medium range and the sniper beats you at a very long distance. Accept it that your AR does not shot sniper rifle ammo fully auto. And i think there should be a fully auto shotgun variant but with less damage delivered. Like 40%-50% less damage then the regular shotgun would do. And you want to handicap just a very small playerbase. At the moment the weapon usage ranking is like this:
1. Ar
2. Snipers
3. HMG
4. Shotgun
5. Mass driver
6. Laser rifle

AR's are way to easy to use and should get a nerf cause they have no recoil, are 100% accurate, deal moderate damage and are very cheap and easy to obtain. Hipfire is way to good on them while SMG's have a spread that is insane which in my opinion should be the exact other way around. SMG's=good hipfire cause they are ment to be close quarter kings just as shotguns. Just look at it allmost all proto weapons cost more then proto AR's. Look at laser rifles the proto variant costs over 80.000ISK while a duvolle costs only around 50.000ISK.

I'll go further and say that it should be illegal to shoot at a Proto Suit. there should be like a 10 sec lock out on all weapons that are aimed in the direction of a proto suit. +1

And why you complain about it so much?

And i dont give a crap if its a militia shotgun or not. You just have to accept that certain weapons do a much better job in different situations.

AR's are way to easy to use and should get a nerf cause they have no recoil, are 100% accurate, deal moderate damage and are very cheap and easy to obtain.

1. First thread I've made about it, is once to much?

2. And thats my point, its a MILTIA shotgun. Something free shouldnt 2 shot something thats Proto or B series. I'd hoped you could at least understand my side of the argument, but as a vehicle user your missles were nerfed and they can't 1 shot anymore either. I've seen you use a shotgun so I know this thread hits home, but I'm not talking about the higher level shotguns, talking about MILTIA.

3. ARs are easier to use than a shotgun? And you think my points suck. What is cheaper than a militia shotgun? Other militia weapons thats it. FREE weapons should never 2 shot anything of higher level. Should they 2 shot the FREE militia suits we receive at startup, YES, but they don't, they 1 shot them. All weapons are easy to obtain, it's called a market. I agree ARs need recoil back.

Working as intended if you get shot buy a shotgunner. But I win most of the times with people in the similar kind of loadout. If you are nerfing shotguns, nerf ARs and everything else.

The only thing that needs nerfing out here now is the whining and QQing.

Just what the title suggests. Am I crying... hell yea.

A militia fit shotgun shouldn't two shot a proto or B series assault suit. I worry more about coming around a blind corner to face a shotgun than I do an HMG user. Shotguns are a no skill wep and I understand they need to be close range to do good damage, just not THIS good.

My point is free mitlia gear, mainly shotgun, shouldnt be able to 3 shot heavies and 1-2 shot scout/Assault suits. Please look into the statistics for this weapon. And yea I know where this post goes.


Whiny AR user out.

Well, general opinion seems to agree than there's nothing more wrong about militia shotgun than any other militia weapon.

This +1

If imperfects all ran the same shotgun fits I do in a CQC map like bio mass or ambush you all would cry for nerfs.

Boohoo you lost a protosuit to a militia weapon. Think about how you attack and defend yourself within the parameters of the weapon you are using. Dont assume you are invinsible to militia weapons just because you are proto

LolWut? A game with imperfects without their protosuits and running only shotguns. I would like to see that happen. Make sure you send the memo to the Ortiz brothers and Twinkletoes twins.

Militia shotguns op? You have to be kidding me...

-Uneffective outside 10 meters
-Loud easily recognized sound to alert anyone near
-6 shots instead of 8
-Almost double the reload time

The skill in shotguns is how you position yourself and how well you can entice the enemy to fight on your terms.

I can't tell you the amount of times I have gone up against so called "elite" players with ARs and won. Even if they know you have a shotgun they are so preoccupied with getting kills and arrogant enough to think they are the best in the game that they will just charge right in.

One of my favorite strategies when outranged against these "elite" players is to act a noob. Ill shoot at them with my shotgun from 50 meters away and hop in and out of cover as if im scared. Sure enough they come running right for me. I can almost hear them salivating at the prospect of an easy kill until they round the corner and get taken out with a couple shots within 5 meters.

Boohoo you lost a protosuit to a militia weapon. Think about how you attack and defend yourself within the parameters of the weapon you are using. Dont assume you are invinsible to militia weapons just because you are proto

a shotgun has absolutly no range. you pretty much have to be ontop of the enemy inorder to do damage.

if you take away the damage that they do you are just supporting that the AR is the only decent weapon to use in the light weapon slot.

You think gear is what makes us good?

The corp battle us scrub let us show you. We are doing infantry only this satuarday to sign up for your time.

As you mentioned you are a shotgun player and your responses show this. Just another low skill scrub gamer it seems.

Also, if someguys comes in your back with an AR, you're just as dead unless the dude is a total sucker.

All thise tells me is you are a bad player. How the hell can't you get close to the other team on most maps and put at least 2 shots of them before they can kill you?

seriously are all shotgunners ****** scrub players? I mean spec your skills right and use speed and suprise to your advantage. I mean i dont run with a squad I look for areas that have cover and lurk there.

Also want a PRO tip use flux with shot guns. I will flux a group and then just 1 shot each of them. I've dropped imperfects this way easy and they didn't have a chance.

Honestly being a shot gun scout isn't about just the gun its about how you play it. If things stay this way just wait till people get sp in the right spots.

As much as I hate getting OS by a militia SG, I would have to cast my vote that they don't need nerfing. As many have stated, the shotgun's effective range is really <10m. Within that area, you can get OS if the aim is good. I've tried to roll as militia SG a few times and I never could replicate the OS wonder that hit me, so there has to be some sort of skill involved.

Besides, to nerf any SG (master of <10m) would require a nerf for snipers as well (master of >100m). Whether it be militia SG or militia sniper, skilling into it can lead to a OS headshot within their appropriate range.

Besides Cyn, if you turn a blind corner and get OS by a militia SG, I know you will systematically hunt down every SG user in that map and slaughter them all repeatedly as much as possible for retribution staying within your AR's optimal range and out of the SGer's. So yes, it sux, but no more than eating a random grenade, forge round to the face, or other "WTF just happened that instantly killed me!?" moments.

This is WAR man! Kittens happen! Otherwise, great post and responses from everyone ^_^.

When a militia shotgun gets me the same amount of kills as my CRG-3, we know there's a problem. Easily fixed with a longer delay between shots.

I'm going to assume being a sniper you ate a lot of glue as a child. It's obvious hiding up in the mountain head glitching you dont know how close quarters combat with milita fit shotgun scout works.

most shot gunners are crap they run in open space etc. Even on 5 point map I never run out in open much alway use every bit of cover and sometimes wait till its clear ot they come to me. I've explained the mechanics and tatics numerous times but evidently its quantum physics to you.

Get in some gun fights then you will have a valid opinion

The only reason you think its over powered is because of the fact that it one-shots you.

I am willing to bet that your proto suit has died more times to a militia AR than a militia shotgun.

Remember also that the shotgunner has to close that distance, and in many cases, they are highly exposed doing so. Its a specialist weapon for a specialist situation - shotgunners don't have great KDRs!

That said, a would probably support a reduction in capacity from 6 to 4 for the militia variant, that would be more than enough to encourage players to spec into the non-free variants...

All thise tells me is you are a bad player. How the hell can't you get close to the other team on most maps and put
at least 2 shots of them before they can kill you?

seriously are all shotgunners ****** scrub players? I mean spec your skills right and use speed and suprise to your advantage. I mean i dont run with a squad I look for areas that have cover and lurk there.

Also want a PRO tip use flux with shot guns. I will flux a group and then just 1 shot each of them. I've dropped imperfects this way easy and they didn't have a chance.

Honestly being a shot gun scout isn't about just the gun its about how you play it. If things stay this way just wait till people get sp in the right spots.

Speaking as someone with a lot of experience using them, it takes a LOT of SP investment to make the Militia Shotgun worthwhile. At 5m, you're struggling to hit for more than 50 damage when you first start.

For a shotgun to be viable, you need AT LEAST Dropsuit Command and Profile Dampening 3, with Profile Dampening having a prerequisite before it's available, and unless you're up against people with minimal situational awareness, Mechanics to a decent level as well. If possible you want some of the higher-level shield skills on top of that.

For ideal performance, most Shotgun users will either be heavily tanked Assault suits, which means you can see them from a mile away, or totally vulnerable - but nearly invisible - Scout fittings.

With the first option, you'll see him coming a mile away if you have any situational awareness at all, but he'll take probably 5 or 6 rounds to kill. With an Assault Rifle, that's about the same amount of time it takes the Shotgunner to kill, except you have something like 20 times the Shotgunner's effective range.

In the second case, a ninja Scout is a lot harder to pick out until he's close, but YOUR ASSAULT RIFLE WILL PROBABLY TWO-SHOT HIM when you do.

I really don't see the problem. The horrific range limitation balances out the destructive power. There are times where, even at point-blank with maxed out Shotgun Operations, 90% of a Shotgun blast will miss if you're just slightly off-centre from the target, thanks to the random spread of the pellets.