Cyn, i feel ya, i think everyone agrees militia shotguns (and all thereafter) are OP. At point blank w/o headshot multiplier and shotty does b/t 300-500 damage per shot pending on # of pellets that hit.

Personally ive been saying shotguns need b/t a 50-70% damage reduction across the board, to make people actually spend sp into shotguns for them to be truly lethal

Realistically, the plasma shotgun behaves like a sawed-off shotgun, right? Too get enough damage to one-shot someone, you should really have to be right up against them. Getting two-shotted from 5 meters is more than a little ridiculous.

Aw geez! Seriously how many shotgunners do you see in the leaderboards? None. How many shotgunners you know have a KD or more than 2 (except cest moi)? None.

Shotguns are fine. Your luck just ran out because you ran into a shotgunner.

Every shotgunner that has tried to shotgun me in the past has been shot in the face. If anything shotguns need a range and damage boost.

This +1

LolWut? A game with imperfects without their protosuits and running only shotguns. I would like to see that happen. Make sure you send the memo to the Ortiz brothers and Twinkletoes twins.

Militia shotguns op? You have to be kidding me...

-Uneffective outside 10 meters
-Loud easily recognized sound to alert anyone near
-6 shots instead of 8
-Almost double the reload time

The skill in shotguns is how you position yourself and how well you can entice the enemy to fight on your terms.

I can't tell you the amount of times I have gone up against so called "elite" players with ARs and won. Even if they know you have a shotgun they are so preoccupied with getting kills and arrogant enough to think they are the best in the game that they will just charge right in.

One of my favorite strategies when outranged against these "elite" players is to act a noob. Ill shoot at them with my shotgun from 50 meters away and hop in and out of cover as if im scared. Sure enough they come running right for me. I can almost hear them salivating at the prospect of an easy kill until they round the corner and get taken out with a couple shots within 5 meters.

Boohoo you lost a protosuit to a militia weapon. Think about how you attack and defend yourself within the parameters of the weapon you are using. Dont assume you are invinsible to militia weapons just because you are proto

a shotgun has absolutly no range. you pretty much have to be ontop of the enemy inorder to do damage.

if you take away the damage that they do you are just supporting that the AR is the only decent weapon to use in the light weapon slot.

As much as I hate getting OS by a militia SG, I would have to cast my vote that they don't need nerfing. As many have stated, the shotgun's effective range is really <10m. Within that area, you can get OS if the aim is good. I've tried to roll as militia SG a few times and I never could replicate the OS wonder that hit me, so there has to be some sort of skill involved.

Besides, to nerf any SG (master of <10m) would require a nerf for snipers as well (master of >100m). Whether it be militia SG or militia sniper, skilling into it can lead to a OS headshot within their appropriate range.

Besides Cyn, if you turn a blind corner and get OS by a militia SG, I know you will systematically hunt down every SG user in that map and slaughter them all repeatedly as much as possible for retribution staying within your AR's optimal range and out of the SGer's. So yes, it sux, but no more than eating a random grenade, forge round to the face, or other "WTF just happened that instantly killed me!?" moments.

This is WAR man! Kittens happen! Otherwise, great post and responses from everyone ^_^.

When a militia shotgun gets me the same amount of kills as my CRG-3, we know there's a problem. Easily fixed with a longer delay between shots.