a shotgun has absolutly no range. you pretty much have to be ontop of the enemy inorder to do damage.

if you take away the damage that they do you are just supporting that the AR is the only decent weapon to use in the light weapon slot.

You think gear is what makes us good?

The corp battle us scrub let us show you. We are doing infantry only this satuarday to sign up for your time.

As you mentioned you are a shotgun player and your responses show this. Just another low skill scrub gamer it seems.

Also, if someguys comes in your back with an AR, you're just as dead unless the dude is a total sucker.

All thise tells me is you are a bad player. How the hell can't you get close to the other team on most maps and put at least 2 shots of them before they can kill you?

seriously are all shotgunners ****** scrub players? I mean spec your skills right and use speed and suprise to your advantage. I mean i dont run with a squad I look for areas that have cover and lurk there.

Also want a PRO tip use flux with shot guns. I will flux a group and then just 1 shot each of them. I've dropped imperfects this way easy and they didn't have a chance.

Honestly being a shot gun scout isn't about just the gun its about how you play it. If things stay this way just wait till people get sp in the right spots.

As much as I hate getting OS by a militia SG, I would have to cast my vote that they don't need nerfing. As many have stated, the shotgun's effective range is really <10m. Within that area, you can get OS if the aim is good. I've tried to roll as militia SG a few times and I never could replicate the OS wonder that hit me, so there has to be some sort of skill involved.

Besides, to nerf any SG (master of <10m) would require a nerf for snipers as well (master of >100m). Whether it be militia SG or militia sniper, skilling into it can lead to a OS headshot within their appropriate range.

Besides Cyn, if you turn a blind corner and get OS by a militia SG, I know you will systematically hunt down every SG user in that map and slaughter them all repeatedly as much as possible for retribution staying within your AR's optimal range and out of the SGer's. So yes, it sux, but no more than eating a random grenade, forge round to the face, or other "WTF just happened that instantly killed me!?" moments.

This is WAR man! Kittens happen! Otherwise, great post and responses from everyone ^_^.

When a militia shotgun gets me the same amount of kills as my CRG-3, we know there's a problem. Easily fixed with a longer delay between shots.

I'm going to assume being a sniper you ate a lot of glue as a child. It's obvious hiding up in the mountain head glitching you dont know how close quarters combat with milita fit shotgun scout works.

most shot gunners are crap they run in open space etc. Even on 5 point map I never run out in open much alway use every bit of cover and sometimes wait till its clear ot they come to me. I've explained the mechanics and tatics numerous times but evidently its quantum physics to you.

Get in some gun fights then you will have a valid opinion

The only reason you think its over powered is because of the fact that it one-shots you.

I am willing to bet that your proto suit has died more times to a militia AR than a militia shotgun.

Remember also that the shotgunner has to close that distance, and in many cases, they are highly exposed doing so. Its a specialist weapon for a specialist situation - shotgunners don't have great KDRs!

That said, a would probably support a reduction in capacity from 6 to 4 for the militia variant, that would be more than enough to encourage players to spec into the non-free variants...

All thise tells me is you are a bad player. How the hell can't you get close to the other team on most maps and put
at least 2 shots of them before they can kill you?

seriously are all shotgunners ****** scrub players? I mean spec your skills right and use speed and suprise to your advantage. I mean i dont run with a squad I look for areas that have cover and lurk there.

Also want a PRO tip use flux with shot guns. I will flux a group and then just 1 shot each of them. I've dropped imperfects this way easy and they didn't have a chance.

Honestly being a shot gun scout isn't about just the gun its about how you play it. If things stay this way just wait till people get sp in the right spots.

Speaking as someone with a lot of experience using them, it takes a LOT of SP investment to make the Militia Shotgun worthwhile. At 5m, you're struggling to hit for more than 50 damage when you first start.

For a shotgun to be viable, you need AT LEAST Dropsuit Command and Profile Dampening 3, with Profile Dampening having a prerequisite before it's available, and unless you're up against people with minimal situational awareness, Mechanics to a decent level as well. If possible you want some of the higher-level shield skills on top of that.

For ideal performance, most Shotgun users will either be heavily tanked Assault suits, which means you can see them from a mile away, or totally vulnerable - but nearly invisible - Scout fittings.

With the first option, you'll see him coming a mile away if you have any situational awareness at all, but he'll take probably 5 or 6 rounds to kill. With an Assault Rifle, that's about the same amount of time it takes the Shotgunner to kill, except you have something like 20 times the Shotgunner's effective range.

In the second case, a ninja Scout is a lot harder to pick out until he's close, but YOUR ASSAULT RIFLE WILL PROBABLY TWO-SHOT HIM when you do.

I really don't see the problem. The horrific range limitation balances out the destructive power. There are times where, even at point-blank with maxed out Shotgun Operations, 90% of a Shotgun blast will miss if you're just slightly off-centre from the target, thanks to the random spread of the pellets.