Cyn, i feel ya, i think everyone agrees militia shotguns (and all thereafter) are OP. At point blank w/o headshot multiplier and shotty does b/t 300-500 damage per shot pending on # of pellets that hit.

Personally ive been saying shotguns need b/t a 50-70% damage reduction across the board, to make people actually spend sp into shotguns for them to be truly lethal

Realistically, the plasma shotgun behaves like a sawed-off shotgun, right? Too get enough damage to one-shot someone, you should really have to be right up against them. Getting two-shotted from 5 meters is more than a little ridiculous.

Just what the title suggests. Am I crying... hell yea.

A militia fit shotgun shouldn't two shot a proto or B series assault suit. I worry more about coming around a blind corner to face a shotgun than I do an HMG user. Shotguns are a no skill wep and I understand they need to be close range to do good damage, just not THIS good.

My point is free mitlia gear, mainly shotgun, shouldnt be able to 3 shot heavies and 1-2 shot scout/Assault suits. Please look into the statistics for this weapon. And yea I know where this post goes.


Whiny AR user out.

Aw geez! Seriously how many shotgunners do you see in the leaderboards? None. How many shotgunners you know have a KD or more than 2 (except cest moi)? None.

Shotguns are fine. Your luck just ran out because you ran into a shotgunner.

Every shotgunner that has tried to shotgun me in the past has been shot in the face. If anything shotguns need a range and damage boost.

Aw geez! Seriously how many shotgunners do you see in the leaderboards? None. How many shotgunners you know have a KD or more than 2 (except cest moi)? None.

Shotguns are fine. Your luck just ran out because you ran into a shotgunner.

Every shotgunner that has tried to shotgun me in the past has been shot in the face. If anything shotguns need a range and damage boost.

my shotgunner uses cheap stuff (never more then 20k, normally like 2 k for av grenades) and has 1.2 mill sp total. his kdr is betwen 4 and 6 while i have only played him last 2 weeks. I ran into howdidthataste recently and 2 shot him by jumping around and hitting in the head. I would lose most of those 1v1 battles with my main in a b series and duv 120k fit.

yes shotguns have role but when you pair it with a scout suit, biotics, skills, jumping, headshots, reload/shoot function, and hitdectection issues you get a cheap OP killing machine.

Like i said you dont see the extent of it till scouts skill up, biotics used, physical skills used. The over nerf to scouts this build made everyone go a different direction.

also leaderboards has no meaning when it comes to the balance of the shotguns

yes shotguns have role but when you pair it with a scout suit, biotics, skills, jumping, headshots, reload/shoot function, and hitdectection issues you get a cheap OP killing machine.

The shotgun is a weapon that affords skill. You need to center your aiming at the enemy and then shot.

@Sentient Archon, you are slowly becoming my new favorite forum warrior, keep it up man

Hmm your comment seems the opposite of "skill". But I appreciate your 2nd place opinion in this thread.

Dark Cloud is right. Do you know how long it takes to line up a headshot with a red dot when the red dot is bouncing around like a bunny? Its like trying to hit a fly with a baseball bat. If it connects great, if not your are just swinging at the air.

Same is the case with shotguns. You only get a couple of shots to take someone out. If they are dumb enough to stand still, they are dumb enough to get killed.

Just my 0.02 AUR.

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