Solid post .. very informative.

I got edited into the main post?!?!?

What an honor... thank you sir.

To simplify what the Op is saying: try it before you QQ.

Yeah, why do ppl zitch so much about having no way to win besides driving a tank in this First Person Shooter game? I just don't get it.

I got edited into the main post?!?!?

What an honor... thank you sir.

I realize that, but the whole point of this game is specialization into a specific role, instead of being able to spawn as whatever you want with the best skills and weapons.

My question for you is this, if you want to run around shooting infantry, what compelled you to spec into AV? Clearly that doesn't satisfy your goal.

Some people get blown up a few times and they say the game is broken....

I don't get it, I've never heard anyone moan so much about vehicles in any other game, yet in Dust it seems like they're the worst thing since Satan. Seems to me that instead of crying so much, you ought to go buy yourself a tank, if that truly is the only way to play right? This playerbase kinda makes me sad.

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Hang on...? this isn't World of Tanks, Is it?

It is World of EVE Planetary Warfare.

Not First Person Shooter.

Not Call of Duty.

And also definitely not What You Want It To Be.

The new favorite thing of Vehicle defender : "It's no COD lololololilolo"
Welcome to FPS..... Vehicles are overall a NEW THING. and best FPS were vehicle free.
If the only FPS you can think of with no vehicle is COD, then you must be a 12y-old that knows nothing about FPS history.

Go play any of serveral other FPS game (excluding CoD 4 and on) and tell me there are not vehicles. Halo, Battlefield, PlanetSide, Blacklight: Retribution (Hardsuits fit the arguement), MAG, and so on. This is the only game I've ever seen so many people whine about.

You mean like Wolfenstein 3D and Doom that I used to play when they were awesome and new?

Despite being the CEO of a very mechanised corporation "because haz no gungame" I have to say I hate Tanks, LAV's and HAV's

How about the legendary king of competitive FPS ? Counter strike 1.5 / 1.6 / source ? Unreal ?
But again, hard to know those when you're 12...

And MAG having vehicle ? :D LOOOL
BF has vehicle yes. But they arent dealt with the same way. All vehicles are equals, they can't be tweaked in order to exploit some stats effects. Planetside ? Has a LOT of real buildings and infantry oriented area. And a player cap so huge that vehicles can be avoided if you wish so. I know, i also play PS2 beta.

Complaining about vehicles doesnt mean people want them out. But it's fair enough to want infantry and vehicles to be at least equally usefull in the game. And not feel like you're pretty much useless on foot. Problem has its roots as much in vehicle stats (weak HP, massive damage with missiles) than it is with level design (way too open environment, no actual infrastructures etc..)

But the whole "go back COD lolololililololololol trollolololol" thing is both childish and annoying.

Grow up.

It is World of EVE Planetary Warfare.

Not First Person Shooter.

Not Call of Duty.

And also definitely not What You Want It To Be.

I've played more games in my life than you'll ever see in yours, and thus have some advantages over you when it comes to predicting what kind of gameplay is going to be good and what isn't.

Who gives a **** about games like counter strike and unreal, they're merely refined versions of the FPS genre that got established proper with games like Doom and quake. Someone who hasn't lived through nor been exposed to the large number of paradigms of gameplay has no basis to judge a game that tries to redefine the MMO/FPS experience.

Considering that I had (literally, I can count the floppies/tapes) over a thousand games under my belt by the time I hit 10, and that was before the PC gaming boom of the 90's hit, let's just say that the me at age 12 knew more than you do about games.

But I'll concede the argument if you've played the first Metal Gear, cause then you might actually know stuff.

I realize that, but the whole point of this game is specialization into a specific role, instead of being able to spawn as whatever you want with the best skills and weapons.

My question for you is this, if you want to run around shooting infantry, what compelled you to spec into AV? Clearly that doesn't satisfy your goal.



Go play any of serveral other FPS game (excluding CoD 4 and on) and tell me there are not vehicles. Halo, Battlefield, PlanetSide, Blacklight: Retribution (Hardsuits fit the arguement), MAG, and so on. This is the only game I've ever seen so many people whine about.

HAVs can be game-dominating death machines.

They can be little more than scarecrows if a good infantry-heavy team knows what they're doing.

Missile Turrets are the only thing that really needs major adjustments, and anything else about vehicles either needs to be buffed or left alone. Swarm Missile pathing is an issue, and also needs addressing - done properly, this should be part-buff and part-nerf.

I've seen games where one team has a couple of LAVs or Dropships called in, and they get instapopped, while the other team is slaughtering with their 3+ HAVs, but it's Skirmish, and the vehicle-less team wins because nobody's leaving their tanks and the infantry are keeping hold of all the objectives. Generally, a few AV guys, while unable to kill a coordinated tank squad, can force them to keep moving and prevent them from bringing their full power to bear on an objective for long enough to help. If you can't clear the objective for long enough to let your infantry hack it, then you need more feet on the ground and less in the tanks.

You're all complaining about an issue that doesn't really exist. "Oh man, tanks are to good on these wide open maps that are generally in barren areas not well suited for urban life, talk about OP". When we have more urban areas, things like dropships and tanks will have less use. Sure a tank might be able to dominate a street, but it can't really shoot through buildings. I noticed on that map with the Warbardge (Ashland?) tanks were a rarety, and only on the outer objectives, they very seldom went inside the compound.

The real "issue" is just that the game is currently not optimised well enough for the PS3 to handle such urban and cluttered areas, and as such we are stuck with some very wide open spaces in order to acheive playable framerates. I never heard a single complaint about tanks or dropships on (Ashland?) the only issues I ever heard about were shotguns and framerate drops.


Even after all the time I've been gone, you still have valuable, relative input. Goes well with what I'm saying, tanks aren't really an issue, people just need to look at them differently. The game is set up for them to shine right now, the PS3 cannot handle building/graphical clutter (with the lack of optimization), so urban areas are out of the question. As such tanks will shine until further optimization can allow for more crowded maps.

Pretty sure I have played 16 v 16 matches with better maps on the ps2 not even the ps3 :\

I went 56/0 in a LAV...yea its soo not broken and I'm sure the enemy team totaly agree.

This is what what CCP doesn't not understand! That this game has individual skill! Nothing is truely OP! It is just a very skill player using what CCP gave them at a highly effective rate.

That's why very few can go 50+/0 with just a sica tank. While a player with lesser skill might need a Sagaris to achieve the same stat.

I go 20-0 constantly with just BPO militia gear on an assault suit. I have yet to see one post saying that militia gear is so OP. I kill High end gear players with ease, only using a miltia assault rifle. Should a 250k+ fit proto should lose a battle against a free Militia fit with ease? No but it happens all the time.

BPO militia gear and militia AR's are OPed!

I've played more games in my life than you'll ever see in yours, and thus have some advantages over you when it comes to predicting what kind of gameplay is going to be good and what isn't.

Who gives a **** about games like counter strike and unreal, they're merely refined versions of the FPS genre that got established proper with games like Doom and quake. Someone who hasn't lived through nor been exposed to the large number of paradigms of gameplay has no basis to judge a game that tries to redefine the MMO/FPS experience.

Considering that I had (literally, I can count the floppies/tapes) over a thousand games under my belt by the time I hit 10, and that was before the PC gaming boom of the 90's hit, let's just say that the me at age 12 knew more than you do about games.

But I'll concede the argument if you've played the first Metal Gear, cause then you might actually know stuff.

I've played more games in my life than you'll ever see in yours, and thus have some advantages over you when it comes to predicting what kind of gameplay is going to be good and what isn't.

Who gives a **** about games like counter strike and unreal, they're merely refined versions of the FPS genre that got established proper with games like Doom and quake. Someone who hasn't lived through nor been exposed to the large number of paradigms of gameplay has no basis to judge a game that tries to redefine the MMO/FPS experience.

Considering that I had (literally, I can count the floppies/tapes) over a thousand games under my belt by the time I hit 10, and that was before the PC gaming boom of the 90's hit, let's just say that the me at age 12 knew more than you do about games.

But I'll concede the argument if you've played the first Metal Gear, cause then you might actually know stuff.

This is what what CCP doesn't not understand! That this game has individual skill! Nothing is truely OP! It is just a very skill player using what CCP gave them at a highly effective rate.

That's why very few can go 50+/0 with just a sica tank. While a player with lesser skill might need a Sagaris to achieve the same stat.

I go 20-0 constantly with just BPO militia gear on an assault suit. I have yet to see one post saying that militia gear is so OP. I kill High end gear players with ease, only using a miltia assault rifle. Should a 250k+ fit proto should lose a battle against a free Militia fit with ease? No but it happens all the time.

I went 56/0 in a LAV...yea its soo not broken and I'm sure the enemy team totaly agree.

Oh man I love today! Yesterday "tanks are OP QQ nerf them to ****!" Today "WTF CCP!? Why did you nerf missle turrets so bad!? Now vehicles suck!" This comunity needs to make up it's mind about what it does and does not hate.

Oh man I love today! Yesterday "tanks are OP QQ nerf them to ****!" Today "WTF CCP!? Why did you nerf missle turrets so bad!? Now vehicles suck!" This comunity needs to make up it's mind about what it does and does not hate.

If the other team really cant kill a LAV then they deserved that.