DUST Search - Still complaining about vehicles?

Rasatsu wrote:

Laurent Cazaderon wrote:

How about the legendary king of competitive FPS ? Counter strike 1.5 / 1.6 / source ? Unreal ?
But again, hard to know those when you're 12...

And MAG having vehicle ? :D LOOOL
BF has vehicle yes. But they arent dealt with the same way. All vehicles are equals, they can't be tweaked in order to exploit some stats effects. Planetside ? Has a LOT of real buildings and infantry oriented area. And a player cap so huge that vehicles can be avoided if you wish so. I know, i also play PS2 beta.

Complaining about vehicles doesnt mean people want them out. But it's fair enough to want infantry and vehicles to be at least equally usefull in the game. And not feel like you're pretty much useless on foot. Problem has its roots as much in vehicle stats (weak HP, massive damage with missiles) than it is with level design (way too open environment, no actual infrastructures etc..)

But the whole "go back COD lolololililololololol trollolololol" thing is both childish and annoying.

Grow up.

I've played more games in my life than you'll ever see in yours, and thus have some advantages over you when it comes to predicting what kind of gameplay is going to be good and what isn't.

Who gives a **** about games like counter strike and unreal, they're merely refined versions of the FPS genre that got established proper with games like Doom and quake. Someone who hasn't lived through nor been exposed to the large number of paradigms of gameplay has no basis to judge a game that tries to redefine the MMO/FPS experience.

Considering that I had (literally, I can count the floppies/tapes) over a thousand games under my belt by the time I hit 10, and that was before the PC gaming boom of the 90's hit, let's just say that the me at age 12 knew more than you do about games.

But I'll concede the argument if you've played the first Metal Gear, cause then you might actually know stuff.

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IK0 Golden Blade 3	Posted - 2012.11.20 20:25:00 - [31] - Quote Actaully today i noticed that the missles do less damage i died in like 4 or 5 shots
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.11.20 20:35:00 - [32] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Kosen Driago wrote: Some people get blown up a few times and they say the game is broken.... I went 56/0 in a LAV...yea its soo not broken and I'm sure the enemy team totaly agree. The only thing broken was the enemy team's AV skills. If you cannot figure out how to toss a HOMING AV grenade, then you deserve to get stomped.
Omnipotens Zitro Doomheim 425	Posted - 2012.11.20 20:58:00 - [33] - Quote This is what what CCP doesn't not understand! That this game has individual skill! Nothing is truely OP! It is just a very skill player using what CCP gave them at a highly effective rate. That's why very few can go 50+/0 with just a sica tank. While a player with lesser skill might need a Sagaris to achieve the same stat. I go 20-0 constantly with just BPO militia gear on an assault suit. I have yet to see one post saying that militia gear is so OP. I kill High end gear players with ease, only using a miltia assault rifle. Should a 250k+ fit proto should lose a battle against a free Militia fit with ease? No but it happens all the time.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.11.20 21:03:00 - [34] - Quote Actually, line harvest is the perfect map that should be used as an example of how terrain can effect the impact of the vehicles. Tanks cannot dominate there and neither could drop ships because the structures are strategically placed to hinder their effectiveness. So many places to take cover, so many places to bypass defenses on both sides, etc. It is here where tanks and drop ships are not OP.
BMSTUBBYx Doomheim 83	Posted - 2012.11.20 21:11:00 - [35] - Quote Omnipotens Zitro wrote: This is what what CCP doesn't not understand! That this game has individual skill! Nothing is truely OP! It is just a very skill player using what CCP gave them at a highly effective rate. That's why very few can go 50+/0 with just a sica tank. While a player with lesser skill might need a Sagaris to achieve the same stat. I go 20-0 constantly with just BPO militia gear on an assault suit. I have yet to see one post saying that militia gear is so OP. I kill High end gear players with ease, only using a miltia assault rifle. Should a 250k+ fit proto should lose a battle against a free Militia fit with ease? No but it happens all the time. BPO militia gear and militia AR's are OPed!
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.11.20 21:30:00 - [36] - Quote .
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.20 21:43:00 - [37] - Quote BMSTUBBYx wrote: Omnipotens Zitro wrote: This is what what CCP doesn't not understand! That this game has individual skill! Nothing is truely OP! It is just a very skill player using what CCP gave them at a highly effective rate. That's why very few can go 50+/0 with just a sica tank. While a player with lesser skill might need a Sagaris to achieve the same stat. I go 20-0 constantly with just BPO militia gear on an assault suit. I have yet to see one post saying that militia gear is so OP. I kill High end gear players with ease, only using a miltia assault rifle. Should a 250k+ fit proto should lose a battle against a free Militia fit with ease? No but it happens all the time. BPO militia gear and militia AR's are OPed! I second that. I can totally one-shot Proto Assaults with my Militia Shotgun, and I only have level 5 Ops and Prof and Weaponry buffing... wait, no... SPs are OP! NERF!!!
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2012.11.20 21:59:00 - [38] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: I've played more games in my life than you'll ever see in yours, and thus have some advantages over you when it comes to predicting what kind of gameplay is going to be good and what isn't. Who gives a **** about games like counter strike and unreal, they're merely refined versions of the FPS genre that got established proper with games like Doom and quake. Someone who hasn't lived through nor been exposed to the large number of paradigms of gameplay has no basis to judge a game that tries to redefine the MMO/FPS experience. Considering that I had (literally, I can count the floppies/tapes) over a thousand games under my belt by the time I hit 10, and that was before the PC gaming boom of the 90's hit, let's just say that the me at age 12 knew more than you do about games. But I'll concede the argument if you've played the first Metal Gear, cause then you might actually know stuff. Unreal and counterstrike are important to the genre, but I dunno if I'd say legendary. Their contributions were mainly behind the scenes. Unreal's engine allowed for things never seen before and counterstrike really perfected the networking infrastructure necessary for online multiplayer FPS to really work. If my copy of Out of the World was on a 5 1/4" floppy can I be in the club? I didn't get a console until SNES.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 108	Posted - 2012.11.20 22:57:00 - [39] - Quote There is something wrong with this. Dust is not like other games. Our vehicles aren't like vehicles in other games. Our vehicles can dominate the game. They aren't as easily taken out either. Missile turrets need some work. They are what you see on most tanks and for good reason. I'd push for splash damage and/or a range nerf. Shooting at targets from one side of the map being a viable strategy doesn't sit right with me. The missiles are what should really be looked at. They remind me of the Bee. The tanks are like the Conference Call, mistakenly called OP by association.
Eddie Dingle IX Doomheim 54	Posted - 2012.11.21 00:54:00 - [40] - Quote Locked thread from 7/1/2012

Ghost-33 ShootBreakStab 108	Posted - 2012.11.21 04:44:00 - [41] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: How about the legendary king of competitive FPS ? Counter strike 1.5 / 1.6 / source ? Unreal ? But again, hard to know those when you're 12... And MAG having vehicle ? :D LOOOL BF has vehicle yes. But they arent dealt with the same way. All vehicles are equals, they can't be tweaked in order to exploit some stats effects. Planetside ? Has a LOT of real buildings and infantry oriented area. And a player cap so huge that vehicles can be avoided if you wish so. I know, i also play PS2 beta. Complaining about vehicles doesnt mean people want them out. But it's fair enough to want infantry and vehicles to be at least equally usefull in the game. And not feel like you're pretty much useless on foot. Problem has its roots as much in vehicle stats (weak HP, massive damage with missiles) than it is with level design (way too open environment, no actual infrastructures etc..) But the whole "go back COD lolololililololololol trollolololol" thing is both childish and annoying. Grow up. I've played more games in my life than you'll ever see in yours, and thus have some advantages over you when it comes to predicting what kind of gameplay is going to be good and what isn't. Who gives a **** about games like counter strike and unreal, they're merely refined versions of the FPS genre that got established proper with games like Doom and quake. Someone who hasn't lived through nor been exposed to the large number of paradigms of gameplay has no basis to judge a game that tries to redefine the MMO/FPS experience. Considering that I had (literally, I can count the floppies/tapes) over a thousand games under my belt by the time I hit 10, and that was before the PC gaming boom of the 90's hit, let's just say that the me at age 12 knew more than you do about games. But I'll concede the argument if you've played the first Metal Gear, cause then you might actually know stuff. It must be!
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.11.21 06:10:00 - [42] - Quote Omnipotens Zitro wrote: This is what what CCP doesn't not understand! That this game has individual skill! Nothing is truely OP! It is just a very skill player using what CCP gave them at a highly effective rate. That's why very few can go 50+/0 with just a sica tank. While a player with lesser skill might need a Sagaris to achieve the same stat. I go 20-0 constantly with just BPO militia gear on an assault suit. I have yet to see one post saying that militia gear is so OP. I kill High end gear players with ease, only using a miltia assault rifle. Should a 250k+ fit proto should lose a battle against a free Militia fit with ease? No but it happens all the time. I think you misunderstand - CCP fully realizes personal and squadron skill, and hopes for it to be utilized. The problem is not CCP, it's the players; they are unwilling to wait for the game to reach a point where it can run smoothly in a crowded setting, they are saying "even though open maps are all the PS3 can handle right now with the state of the game engine, CCP should nerf the crap out of a skill-set that shines in the current setting". They aren't taking into account that in the future, there will be maps and locations where vehicles will be an ill investment.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.11.21 21:22:00 - [43] - Quote Oh man I love today! Yesterday "tanks are OP QQ nerf them to ****!" Today "WTF CCP!? Why did you nerf missle turrets so bad!? Now vehicles suck!" This comunity needs to make up it's mind about what it does and does not hate.
Phantom Cheshire Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 8	Posted - 2012.11.21 21:47:00 - [44] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Kosen Driago wrote: Some people get blown up a few times and they say the game is broken.... I went 56/0 in a LAV...yea its soo not broken and I'm sure the enemy team totaly agree. If the other team really cant kill a LAV then they deserved that.
Phantom Cheshire Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 8	Posted - 2012.11.21 21:48:00 - [45] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Oh man I love today! Yesterday "tanks are OP QQ nerf them to ****!" Today "WTF CCP!? Why did you nerf missle turrets so bad!? Now vehicles suck!" This comunity needs to make up it's mind about what it does and does not hate. It is simple. Infantry hates all vehicles and pilots hate ccp for listening.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.21 22:03:00 - [46] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Oh man I love today! Yesterday "tanks are OP QQ nerf them to ****!" Today "WTF CCP!? Why did you nerf missle turrets so bad!? Now vehicles suck!" This comunity needs to make up it's mind about what it does and does not hate. I can. I said missiles needed a moderate nerf, and they got beated to death with a "+1000 nerf bat of why fire missiles when pretty fireworks will do?" instead. I don't mind MOST of the missile nerf, but I think they took it too far. Give us back our splash radius, and I'll be a happy tanker AND a happy AV guy. So, pretty much, I still want what I wanted all along. Railguns and Blasters still need a little bit of a buff, Missiles need one too now because of the over-nerf, but now, none of them need huge changes, instead of missiles being horribly OP and everything else being useless in comparison and only barely useful even without Missiles being an option.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.11.21 22:11:00 - [47] - Quote Phantom Cheshire wrote: Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Kosen Driago wrote: Some people get blown up a few times and they say the game is broken.... I went 56/0 in a LAV...yea its soo not broken and I'm sure the enemy team totaly agree. If the other team really cant kill a LAV then they deserved that. You never fought that said LAV, not all LAV drivers fitted their **** with Militia gear. The one Sha was in was pretty scary, one hitting everything nearby and tanking hard. On a related note, Spider Tanked an LAV the other day (As in, the LAV drove slowly with my little Sica behind it, repping the shields).. The LAV never died.. Said LAV also went off and smashed up a Railgun Sagaris too.. so much for OP tanks.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.11.22 06:17:00 - [48] - Quote ^ Just because the enemy team is to stupid to use forge guns, does not make the LAV powerful. It's a zippy little damage dealer, but 56/0 is luck.


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