Imperfects would be interested in doing a feedback/input session in game instead of the Dev's dust match. In the voice session we can ask questions and give feedback/input. We feel this will be more valuable than playing a much against you guys. It will give you the Dev's valuable information to help make Dust 514 a better game for the whole community.

CCP please reply to acknowledge if this is possible or not. Thank you!

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Imperfects would be interested in doing a feedback/input session in game instead of the Dev's dust match. In the voice session we can ask questions and give feedback/input. We feel this will be more valuable than playing a much against you guys. It will give you the Dev's valuable information to help make Dust 514 a better game for the whole community.

CCP please reply to acknowledge if this is possible or not. Thank you!

Only problem is what would Imperfects ask?

Would they true to make DUST gun game only and get tanks super nerfed or would they actually offer proper feedback and ask questions which helps the game in general and not purse ther own agenda tbh

Actually I think the developers will get a much better taste of the game if the imperfects bring there tanks and drop ships out for a dev stomping. The problem is they will red line them in 1 min and have a long boring match. So maybe they should just have open comms while they roll over them

From what I've seen on here, many of their players have the correct mindset in that they want to see this game succeed.

Playing a match against the Dev's doesn't help advance the game. If we do play them they will most likely nerf what ever we used and buff the opposite. We get nowhere with that based off the last time the players faced the Dev's. It will just be more time wasted. Yes it would be fun to play and stomp the Dev's but I would rather give them useful insight and information on what needs to be done to help this game become balance for everybody.

Everybody knows that there is alot of imbalance in the game. Armor tanks are useless, turrets are to powerful, Logi's don't have a pro dominate role, nobody uses armor plates(except heavies), to small of armor reps for heavies, redline needs to be fix, etc, etc, etc. So much more to type about that needs adjusting.

To accuss us of not being for the players is stupid. We have players that are spec into every single role.

In CCP interest is to give feedback/input session, one per some time, this is a part of the advertising - irrespective of whether we like it or not, we always get this from CCP(at least once per year on FF), with is cool.
Match with Dev's is something we don't get that often, still you want to change something valuable for something common.
Do all community favour and ask Grideris to make session with CCP, and give SI match with Dev's if you don't want it. I'm sure everyone will be happy with it.

this
and tbh over the past few days on irc me and a few others from both SyN and Imp (noc and tiel) and even nova as well have been having good discussions on multiple fixes to swarms to sniping to armor etc
it would be nice if the devs had a chat with ppl and not have to worry about wading through alot of the QQ feedback or just nonsense suggestions.

quicker devs can seperate good feedback from the bad is the quicker the game can progress. They wont be able to please everyone obv

Sorry for the hi-jack Omni, but at some point they need to do what Numbz is saying by bringing together a rep (council?) from each of the major clans such as SYN, IMP, SI, GC, Zion, Hellstorm, KEQ, PFB, etc. Have a round table of reps to give FILTERED feedback on a consistent basis.

I think they want to be shown how the dynamics of a game work at a competative level.

Theoretically they already saw that with the GMs spectating every match.

I would much rather speak with them to get an idea on where they envision things to be headed, and give input on where we feel things need to be changed. It's not an opportunity to lolbuff what we use to make us even stronger. People like myself and Noc pore over numbers and fitting styles to see it on paper, and then put them into use to see how that matches up.

Fun fact: Did you know right now under current mechanics, I could build a tank that did over 7000 damage (over 9100 to an armor target) each time I pressed R1? It's things like that that I want to see changed, that damage output is absurd.

Winning the tournement proved Imperfects has the best combination of player and metagame skill. We can provide detailed feedback on WHY the game is not balancing as desired only possible with a real-time dialogue. I promise you that if this request is granted, we would push for more direct dev-playerbase focused communication. The template of CSM for DUST beta would satisfy this request. During a redline would distract the devs too much and color their bias agaist whatever we choose to use.

For a general overview of our position:
The game needs to promote skill better. This means gun game and fitting synergy should trump SP. Vehicles and infantry should overlap less, strategic points need to be sturdier, multi-tiered and more diverse. Pages and pages of specific and general fixes made by inferring the intentions of CCP. Obviously we are all here hoping to be a part of something special, but the core mechanics are not working. More troubling, in some ways it is getting worse. Imagine how much more useful our feedback could be if CCP opens up to us about what kind of game they want to make. That is why we want to have a battle with the devs over mechanics and balance, instead of over pixel MCCs.

Why not Just all be on voice chat during the matches?
Make a custom channel and all join it ?

Also your in a fun position to black mail the devs. They won't chat? Then just sit in the red zone, don't fire a shot untill they have a talk with you. They won't annonuce unlock 4/5 with news you didn't fight back. Your currently the best of the best.

Imperfects would be interested in doing a feedback/input session in game instead of the Dev's dust match. In the voice session we can ask questions and give feedback/input. We feel this will be more valuable than playing a much against you guys. It will give you the Dev's valuable information to help make Dust 514 a better game for the whole community.

CCP please reply to acknowledge if this is possible or not. Thank you!

Only if your CEO is willing to give me their Autographed Poster ;)

Only if your CEO is willing to give me their Autographed Poster ;)

It's a great idea, Omni. I'd feel(more or less) comfortable with you guys representing the community. I think the session would be most valuable if the minutes were posted for the community. The smartest person in the room is everybody, after all.....

I'd like to improve on your idea - do both. And have the match first. Have a debrief after that. More valuable and more fun.

And if I could make one more request - don't beat them with gun game. It will add weight to your arguments by demonstrating imbalances or issues in the design of DUST, rather than detracting from your arguments because your group might be perceived as a special case.

Good luck.

Issue here is....from all of the posts, I've never seen two different imps with 2 different opinions. The lot has just liked and agreed on everything the other has said. .

Issue here is....from all of the posts, I've never seen two different imps with 2 different opinions. The lot has just liked and agreed on everything the other has said.

Which makes sense because they're in the same corp and will most likely agree with each other since they converse amongst each other. Also, they are an elite team which has a different experience than casuals and randoms. The game is different to them. A rich guy can't tell you what it is like to be poor.

So, although I support this idea & think it is an awesome one...I think the imps should use their win to ask for guys from different corps and a random or two for the Q&A session. That way, they'll get the opinion that truly represents the entire player base.

I asked everybody with in the corp if they would like to do this before I posted. Not everybody wanted to do this but an over welming majority said that they would like to see this happen. CCP nothin and myself had an agreement from before that we will face each other 1v1. I would rather help the community as a whole than just be selfish and have the Dev battle.

Accussing us to be rich and high minding is insulting. Many of us play smart with our isk and resources. Some of us just play in militia gear to earn money. All of us donate money to each other to help our fellow mates. We have felt the pains of soloing during a battle and as a squad.

I asked everybody with in the corp if they would like to do this before I posted. Not everybody wanted to do this but an over welming majority said that they would like to see this happen. CCP nothin and myself had an agreement from before that we will face each other 1v1. I would rather help the community as a whole than just be selfish and have the Dev battle.

Accussing us to be rich and high minding is insulting. Many of us play smart with our isk and resources. Some of us just play in militia gear to earn money. All of us donate money to each other to help our fellow mates. We have felt the pains of soloing during a battle and as a squad.

The problem is CCP should see the discussion, not just the final idea. If CCP want to do it then that's cool, Don't take this the wrong way, but I haven't seen a thread about how you get 7000 damage from a HAV. I really havent been checking feedback side of thing much though, so might have missed it. The secret secret side of things isn't right for a beta. The tournament gave people who had found exploits or a broken mechanic, no reason to suggest something was wrong.

I suggest playing a game WITH the Devs. Actually have them play as the assault guys/tanker. Let them Devhack to 5-6mil SP, and skill how you advise. And explain WHY. Treat them as total noobs. Make them better players, with a better understanding of the how & why of FPS. That'd be far better.

My point is you guys represent your collective thoughts only. It wouldn't be fair for one corp to represent everyone's interest...not even mine. Because we share similar views.

you'll log in and all your drop suits will be neon pink and your guns will shoot dandelions.

If you want to see opposition to an idea, get Telc involved in one of our discussions about tanks.

Who says we need to do a eve style CSM we are pur own group why should we have a "popular" election? Why not let every major corp ceo elected a memeber from thier corp to represent them and let the blueberrys have one popularly elected rep./ pres.

Who's to say what a "major" corp is? And you don't have to be in one to have good ideas or be rational about things, conversely just because you're in one doesn't mean your input would be worthwhile.

Regardless, this thread isn't about a Dust CSM. Go make a thread on that if you want (or find one of the existing ones, I know there are a few).

I believe there should be a Dust CSM. If another corp won the tourney and suggested this idea. I would fully support it without question. I wouldn't cry on the forums saying that they are doing it for personal gain and don't have the interest of the community. I also wouldn't suggest there be a representative from every corp either as the winning corp rightfully won the tourney. I would congratulate them for coming up with something better than having a pointless Dev battle that would achieve nothing.

Like come on guys! We still in beta! BETA! There is no politics or advantages trying to gain in having a feedback and input session with the Dev's. Like seriously, if any other corp would of won, nobody would object to it. To object this is saying that you don't have the community in mind and are only worried about yourself and your corp.

Noone is against the idea. Whether it is the Imperfects or a 3 man newbie corp...it doesn't matter. One corp should not be the only voice because they are internally biased. I suggest that you use your win and try and negotiate a Q&A with a few scattered and well-rounded panel of testers instead of just players from one corp.

I believe there should be a Dust CSM. If another corp won the tourney and suggested this idea. I would fully support it without question. I wouldn't cry on the forums saying that they are doing it for personal gain and don't have the interest of the community. I also wouldn't suggest there be a representative from every corp either as the winning corp rightfully won the tourney. I would congratulate them for coming up with something better than having a pointless Dev battle that would achieve nothing.

Like come on guys! We still in beta! BETA! There is no politics or advantages trying to gain in having a feedback and input session with the Dev's. Like seriously, if any other corp would of won, nobody would object to it. To object this is saying that you don't have the community in mind and are only worried about yourself and your corp.

I think people are being mis-lead on what's being said. Imperfect have won the right to play the devs, and have instead asked for a Q&A. What right does anyone else have to say anything about it? Who cares if there's better people who can ask better questions. Imperfects won this opportunity, give 'em suggestions incase they get there wish. And congradulations to Imperfects, you kittenholes.

They do get to see the discussion many times. It's more captured in the why something is a problem and why the proposed solution will fix that problem. Whenever I catch a dev on IRC and bring up an issue with them, it's generally me filling their screen with text explaining everything and not just saying "fix x y and z."

I don't post things like that on the forums because I don't want to see them in-game (I haven't built that particular tank and "abused" it myself, by the way, I just know it's possible. I also can't do it even if I wanted to, as it would take a lot more SP than I currently have since I spec'd in other things instead of pushing for that). I send those kinds of amazingly broken things into the devs in private, though. The only other person outside of CCP that I had told the specific build to was Noc, who also can't build that particular fit, but we talk about balance all the time together and run numbers on things to see what kind of lol-worthy things we can theoretically make with the current build.

Wait so your saying you knew something was horribly broken but have yet STILL to post on it and make it public?. You do get the idea of beta right?. Your supposed to be showing the community and the devs that something is broken, not hiding it and keeping it to yourself. Sure do that once the game is finished, but if something's broken the world should know about it.

Take what happened with the WP farming as an example. Sha and I figured that out and abused the crap out of it for a few days in plain sight, the public saw it complained and we admitted it was broken. We then saw a tonne of people doing it and the devs put a stop to it, (albeit slowly). In your logic we should of just kep doing it and whispered in the devs ear when nobody was about that it was broken. Do you see how wrong that is?, yet we're expected to like the idea of you speaking to the devs about balance and such?.

I'm fairly sure I know what your talking about with HAV's as things just didn't add up fighting against your tanks, I'm fairly certain the skills stacking are totally broken and combined with damage mods being broken we end up with around 220% damage or something?. Now I've not tested, run the numbers or proved this, yet you seem to have and haven't posted about it?. We even had a thread discussing it before the match if it's the case and you didn't comment.

Redline the devs and form a community council from all CEO's involved at every stage in the tourney imo. I know it's only a request your making, but the posts you've made in this thread prove you can be biased towards your own gains. It also sounds like your already discussing things 1on 1 with the devs anyway in IRC, so why need this?.

I'm starting to think this is a troll thread tbh.

Oh I'm sorry we don't post things on the forums for everybody to see and abuse. I forget we directly talk to the Dev's in IRC. They already know as we keep the Devs updated on broken stuff. I'm sorry we take a more direct approach in doing things. We like thing done properly.

All I'm seeing is SI QQ'ing. Expected from a bunch of sore losers. Tbqh.

What the imperfect a are suggesting is an awesome idea, it could greatly speed up the beta process and the devs would learn far more from that sort of thing than being facerolled in a battle, however taking feedback from one Corperation is not such a good idea.

Oh I'm sorry we don't post things on the forums for everybody to see and abuse. I forget we directly talk to the Dev's in IRC. They already know as we keep the Devs updated on broken stuff. I'm sorry we take a more direct approach in doing things. We like thing done properly.

All I'm seeing is SI QQ'ing. Expected from a bunch of sore losers. Tbqh.

I think people are being mis-lead on what's being said. Imperfect have won the right to play the devs, and have instead asked for a Q&A. What right does anyone else have to say anything about it? Who cares if there's better people who can ask better questions. Imperfects won this opportunity, give 'em suggestions incase they get there wish. And congradulations to Imperfects, you kittenholes.

Ohhh nooo's!! There's so much to gain from a beta!! We will solidify our hold on null and FW! Ohhh wait! We are still in CLOSED BETA!!! Also there isn't anything to capture and hold. FACEDESK

Ohhh nooo's!! We are going to make this game infantry only!! That's such an amazing idea to alienate our HAV, Dropship, heavies, logi's, LAV, swarms, grenades and everything else users!!! FACEDESK

Ohhh nooo's!! We are a collective single mind! Nobody has a will and have different varying ideas and solutions for everything! FACEDESK

You see what I'm saying?
We have nothing to gain from this. The community as a whole gains from this. This can easily fix a build of fixes.

We have players in every single role in the game who are the best of the best and know what the hell they are talking about it. We have years of experience playing FPS and other games at a high competitive level and at a casual level.

Who would you want to help give feedback? The players who hardly play the game and does not understand the concept of how thing should work? Or the players who have religiously played a certain role, knows all the ins and outs, and understands what is CCP trying to achieve?

Most of Imperfects have been here before the closed beta was even open.

You say this?, really?. So this thread was just a pathetic attempt to troll everyone about how you won?. Bravo. I expected nothing less tbh.

If you really gave a **** and this wasn't just some attempt to boost your ego, you'd of read my post for what it's worth, but you failed to even do that lol. Alldin responded in a correct manner, you responded like a tard.

All you read is QQ, but that's why you posted this thread anyway isn't it?. Pathetic tbh. I thought trolling was breaking the rules?, where's Regnum we need him to clarify it seems!

We're not sore losers at all, your just terrible winners it seems.

lol U MAD Omni?
HTFU dude its only a game :/

Dude I'm LMFAO!!!

I guess someone is butthurt and has to post on a Alt. expected from children.

CCP please clean up the thread please. Thank you!

Wait so your saying you knew something was horribly broken but have yet STILL to post on it and make it public?. You do get the idea of beta right?. Your supposed to be showing the community and the devs that something is broken, not hiding it and keeping it to yourself. Sure do that once the game is finished, but if something's broken the world should know about it.

Take what happened with the WP farming as an example. Sha and I figured that out and abused the crap out of it for a few days in plain sight, the public saw it complained and we admitted it was broken. We then saw a tonne of people doing it and the devs put a stop to it, (albeit slowly). In your logic we should of just kep doing it and whispered in the devs ear when nobody was about that it was broken. Do you see how wrong that is?, yet we're expected to like the idea of you speaking to the devs about balance and such?.

I'm fairly sure I know what your talking about with HAV's as things just didn't add up fighting against your tanks, I'm fairly certain the skills stacking are totally broken and combined with damage mods being broken we end up with around 220% damage or something?. Now I've not tested, run the numbers or proved this, yet you seem to have and haven't posted about it?. We even had a thread discussing it before the match if it's the case and you didn't comment.

Redline the devs and form a community council from all CEO's involved at every stage in the tourney imo. I know it's only a request your making, but the posts you've made in this thread prove you can be biased towards your own gains. It also sounds like your already discussing things 1on 1 with the devs anyway in IRC, so why need this?.

I'm starting to think this is a troll thread tbh.

Wait so your saying you knew something was horribly broken but have yet STILL to post on it and make it public?. You do get the idea of beta right?. Your supposed to be showing the community and the devs that something is broken, not hiding it and keeping it to yourself. Sure do that once the game is finished, but if something's broken the world should know about it.

Take what happened with the WP farming as an example. Sha and I figured that out and abused the crap out of it for a few days in plain sight, the public saw it complained and we admitted it was broken. We then saw a tonne of people doing it and the devs put a stop to it, (albeit slowly). In your logic we should of just kep doing it and whispered in the devs ear when nobody was about that it was broken. Do you see how wrong that is?, yet we're expected to like the idea of you speaking to the devs about balance and such?.

I'm fairly sure I know what your talking about with HAV's as things just didn't add up fighting against your tanks, I'm fairly certain the skills stacking are totally broken and combined with damage mods being broken we end up with around 220% damage or something?. Now I've not tested, run the numbers or proved this, yet you seem to have and haven't posted about it?. We even had a thread discussing it before the match if it's the case and you didn't comment.

Redline the devs and form a community council from all CEO's involved at every stage in the tourney imo. I know it's only a request your making, but the posts you've made in this thread prove you can be biased towards your own gains. It also sounds like your already discussing things 1on 1 with the devs anyway in IRC, so why need this?.

I'm starting to think this is a troll thread tbh.

however taking feedback from one Corperation is not such a good idea.

Best of luck becomming ImperfDevs.

#1 That's what the forums are for.

#2 Heaven forbid they only take this kind of feedback from some of the most competent players in the game.

Best of luck becomming ImperfDevs.

ImperfDevs doesn't really have a ring to it

This thread became something beautiful

leave it to imperfects to ruin the forums with terrible ideas. you should just stick to blowing your protosuits in matches.

You know us, but we don't know you?

odd how that works

popularity Gëá a good thing

shame, you seemed like you were going to say something smart.

popularity Gëá a good thing

shame, you seemed like you were going to say something smart.

Who are you again?

You say this?, really?. So this thread was just a pathetic attempt to troll everyone about how you won?. Bravo. I expected nothing less tbh.

If you really gave a **** and this wasn't just some attempt to boost your ego, you'd of read my post for what it's worth, but you failed to even do that lol. Alldin responded in a correct manner, you responded like a tard.

All you read is QQ, but that's why you posted this thread anyway isn't it?. Pathetic tbh. I thought trolling was breaking the rules?, where's Regnum we need him to clarify it seems!

We're not sore losers at all, your just terrible winners it seems.

Who are you again?

True story.

Also, its not about being popular. Infact, we are probably the most hated a$$holes of dust. I think the term most fitting would be "Infamous" or "Notorious"

leave it to imperfects to ruin the forums with terrible ideas. you should just stick to blowing your protosuits in matches.

You know us, but we don't know you?

odd how that works

It's from a lack of tact by a few members from Imp that the reputation is that way.

known, but at the same time we unknown you know what am sayin?
We got a lot to do with what's goin on in Dust, you know what am sayin?
But scrublets don't realize it, scrublets in the streets realize, but the evetards and the CPP don't realize it, but it's all good,
it is what it is, I ain't gonna talk ya head off, am'a drop these missiles on you, play them reddots...

I don't even know what your sayin

cause u isnt recognizing.

known, the same time we unknown you know what am sayin?
We got a lot to do with what's goin on in Dust, you know what am sayin?
But scrublets don't realize it, scrublets in the streets realize, but the evetards and the CPP don't realize it, but it's all good,
it is what it is, I ain't gonna talk ya head off, am'a drop these missiles on you, play them reddots...

I don't think anyone can recognize your horrible english lol

Not a fan of your corp or it's members for the most part, but even I won't argue that some in game testing time with the dev's and the winners of the tourney would serve ALL of us better than just some "We pwned the devs!!" e-peen extension.

I know for a fact that the imperfects know about all the current exploits, and all the current imbalance issues - I see them using them day in and day out.

For them to be in voice chat while they show the devs these issues 1st hand would be one hell of a step toward helping the devs decide how best to pioritize upcoming fixes.

Besides, nothing says the dev's have to take their advice on what needs done to fix these things.


TL/DR: much as I dislike them, Omnipotens & corp have a valid point, and have made a valid offer.