DUST Search - CCP: Instead of a match with the Dev's, a voice feedback/input session.

Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote:

Wait so your saying you knew something was horribly broken but have yet STILL to post on it and make it public?. You do get the idea of beta right?. Your supposed to be showing the community and the devs that something is broken, not hiding it and keeping it to yourself. Sure do that once the game is finished, but if something's broken the world should know about it.

Take what happened with the WP farming as an example. Sha and I figured that out and abused the crap out of it for a few days in plain sight, the public saw it complained and we admitted it was broken. We then saw a tonne of people doing it and the devs put a stop to it, (albeit slowly). In your logic we should of just kep doing it and whispered in the devs ear when nobody was about that it was broken. Do you see how wrong that is?, yet we're expected to like the idea of you speaking to the devs about balance and such?.

I'm fairly sure I know what your talking about with HAV's as things just didn't add up fighting against your tanks, I'm fairly certain the skills stacking are totally broken and combined with damage mods being broken we end up with around 220% damage or something?. Now I've not tested, run the numbers or proved this, yet you seem to have and haven't posted about it?. We even had a thread discussing it before the match if it's the case and you didn't comment. Roll

Redline the devs and form a community council from all CEO's involved at every stage in the tourney imo. I know it's only a request your making, but the posts you've made in this thread prove you can be biased towards your own gains. It also sounds like your already discussing things 1on 1 with the devs anyway in IRC, so why need this?.

I'm starting to think this is a troll thread tbh.


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Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2012.11.13 18:42:00 - [1] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: I think they want to be shown how the dynamics of a game work at a competative level. Theoretically they already saw that with the GMs spectating every match. I would much rather speak with them to get an idea on where they envision things to be headed, and give input on where we feel things need to be changed. It's not an opportunity to lolbuff what we use to make us even stronger. People like myself and Noc pore over numbers and fitting styles to see it on paper, and then put them into use to see how that matches up. Fun fact: Did you know right now under current mechanics, I could build a tank that did over 7000 damage (over 9100 to an armor target) each time I pressed R1? It's things like that that I want to see changed, that damage output is absurd.
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2012.11.13 23:44:00 - [2] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Issue here is....from all of the posts, I've never seen two different imps with 2 different opinions. The lot has just liked and agreed on everything the other has said. . Do you know why? Because we discuss things before we post them, and when we've got the consensus on a finalized idea, then it is posted. Everyone has shaped the idea together, so of course we agree on it. They hardly start out with 100% all thinking the initial proposition is perfect just because one of us said it. If you want to see opposition to an idea, get Telc involved in one of our discussions about tanks.
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2012.11.14 00:57:00 - [3] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: The problem is CCP should see the discussion, not just the final idea. If CCP want to do it then that's cool, Don't take this the wrong way, but I haven't seen a thread about how you get 7000 damage from a HAV. I really havent been checking feedback side of thing much though, so might have missed it. The secret secret side of things isn't right for a beta. The tournament gave people who had found exploits or a broken mechanic, no reason to suggest something was wrong. I suggest playing a game WITH the Devs. Actually have them play as the assault guys/tanker. Let them Devhack to 5-6mil SP, and skill how you advise. And explain WHY. Treat them as total noobs. Make them better players, with a better understanding of the how & why of FPS. That'd be far better. They do get to see the discussion many times. It's more captured in the why something is a problem and why the proposed solution will fix that problem. Whenever I catch a dev on IRC and bring up an issue with them, it's generally me filling their screen with text explaining everything and not just saying "fix x y and z." I don't post things like that on the forums because I don't want to see them in-game (I haven't built that particular tank and "abused" it myself, by the way, I just know it's possible. I also can't do it even if I wanted to, as it would take a lot more SP than I currently have since I spec'd in other things instead of pushing for that). I send those kinds of amazingly broken things into the devs in private, though. The only other person outside of CCP that I had told the specific build to was Noc, who also can't build that particular fit, but we talk about balance all the time together and run numbers on things to see what kind of lol-worthy things we can theoretically make with the current build. Ydubbs81 RND wrote: My point is you guys represent your collective thoughts only. It wouldn't be fair for one corp to represent everyone's interest...not even mine. Because we share similar views. That's what anybody does, though. It would have to have everybody present to represent all views really, because people generally don't argue for your view if they feel it should be implemented differently (though we do have people who often propose multiple solutions to the same problem, as long as they're legitimate solutions anyway, not things like "take out tanks because I keep dying to them"). That's not to say we ignore the issues everyone wants. We have a lot of people who comb over the forums all the time and know all the major issues everyone is having with the game at any given time. We may differ on how we'd like to see them resolved, but we wouldn't ignore the issue entirely because it's not an "elite person's problem" or something. The major issues affect us all. I wouldn't mind collecting issues people wanted brought up if they decide to let us do this, and I'd do my best to represent it in the way you intended, but I'll also throw in my suggestion regarding it if I feel it should be different. This all hinges on the amount of time that would be available for something like this, though.
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2012.11.14 01:33:00 - [4] - Quote Ops Fox wrote: Who says we need to do a eve style CSM we are pur own group why should we have a "popular" election? Why not let every major corp ceo elected a memeber from thier corp to represent them and let the blueberrys have one popularly elected rep./ pres. Who's to say what a "major" corp is? And you don't have to be in one to have good ideas or be rational about things, conversely just because you're in one doesn't mean your input would be worthwhile. Regardless, this thread isn't about a Dust CSM. Go make a thread on that if you want (or find one of the existing ones, I know there are a few).
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2012.11.14 19:04:00 - [5] - Quote Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote: Wait so your saying you knew something was horribly broken but have yet STILL to post on it and make it public?. You do get the idea of beta right?. Your supposed to be showing the community and the devs that something is broken, not hiding it and keeping it to yourself. Sure do that once the game is finished, but if something's broken the world should know about it. Take what happened with the WP farming as an example. Sha and I figured that out and abused the crap out of it for a few days in plain sight, the public saw it complained and we admitted it was broken. We then saw a tonne of people doing it and the devs put a stop to it, (albeit slowly). In your logic we should of just kep doing it and whispered in the devs ear when nobody was about that it was broken. Do you see how wrong that is?, yet we're expected to like the idea of you speaking to the devs about balance and such?. I'm fairly sure I know what your talking about with HAV's as things just didn't add up fighting against your tanks, I'm fairly certain the skills stacking are totally broken and combined with damage mods being broken we end up with around 220% damage or something?. Now I've not tested, run the numbers or proved this, yet you seem to have and haven't posted about it?. We even had a thread discussing it before the match if it's the case and you didn't comment. Redline the devs and form a community council from all CEO's involved at every stage in the tourney imo. I know it's only a request your making, but the posts you've made in this thread prove you can be biased towards your own gains. It also sounds like your already discussing things 1on 1 with the devs anyway in IRC, so why need this?. I'm starting to think this is a troll thread tbh. I don't need to make it public. Devs don't want you to openly post exploits (it's even in the forum rules not to do so, by the way). There are things we find that we don't want people to openly use, because it turns into something like the WP farming fiasco, so we send them in privately via email. So... not sure what you're getting upset about. Mad that you can't abuse it before they're able to fix it? Nobody has used it as far as I know, so you're not missing out on some secret win button that others have had access to. What thread discussing what before a match are you talking about? I was on IRC and in-game more before the matches than I was checking up on the forums, so yeah I probably missed it. You can't hold me accountable for every single thread on this forum.