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Omnipotens Zitro
Doomheim
425
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Posted - 2012.11.13 15:24:00 -
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Imperfects would be interested in doing a feedback/input session in game instead of the Dev's dust match. In the voice session we can ask questions and give feedback/input. We feel this will be more valuable than playing a much against you guys. It will give you the Dev's valuable information to help make Dust 514 a better game for the whole community.
CCP please reply to acknowledge if this is possible or not. Thank you!
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Jariel Manton
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
210
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Posted - 2012.11.13 15:35:00 -
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Awesome idea, perhaps if it is to happen you could post a write up of your intended topics to cover and we can put some feedback into it. The more voices the better. |
ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2012.11.13 15:41:00 -
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Omnipotens Zitro wrote:Imperfects would be interested in doing a feedback/input session in game instead of the Dev's dust match. In the voice session we can ask questions and give feedback/input. We feel this will be more valuable than playing a much against you guys. It will give you the Dev's valuable information to help make Dust 514 a better game for the whole community.
CCP please reply to acknowledge if this is possible or not. Thank you!
OP just trying to farm likes... REPEAT do not like OP |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
169
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Posted - 2012.11.13 15:44:00 -
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ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI wrote:Omnipotens Zitro wrote:Imperfects would be interested in doing a feedback/input session in game instead of the Dev's dust match. In the voice session we can ask questions and give feedback/input. We feel this will be more valuable than playing a much against you guys. It will give you the Dev's valuable information to help make Dust 514 a better game for the whole community.
CCP please reply to acknowledge if this is possible or not. Thank you!
OP just trying to farm likes... REPEAT do not like OP
It's too late... |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
Doomheim
83
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:17:00 -
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Omnipotens Zitro wrote:Imperfects would be interested in doing a feedback/input session in game instead of the Dev's dust match. In the voice session we can ask questions and give feedback/input. We feel this will be more valuable than playing a much against you guys. It will give you the Dev's valuable information to help make Dust 514 a better game for the whole community.
CCP please reply to acknowledge if this is possible or not. Thank you!
In CCP interest is to give feedback/input session, one per some time, this is a part of the advertising - irrespective of whether we like it or not, we always get this from CCP(at least once per year on FF), with is cool. Match with Dev's is something we don't get that often, still you want to change something valuable for something common. Do all community favour and ask Grideris to make session with CCP, and give SI match with Dev's if you don't want it. I'm sure everyone will be happy with it. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:25:00 -
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Only problem is what would Imperfects ask?
Would they true to make DUST gun game only and get tanks super nerfed or would they actually offer proper feedback and ask questions which helps the game in general and not purse ther own agenda tbh |
fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:29:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Only problem is what would Imperfects ask?
Would they true to make DUST gun game only and get tanks super nerfed or would they actually offer proper feedback and ask questions which helps the game in general and not purse ther own agenda tbh
From what I've seen on here, many of their players have the correct mindset in that they want to see this game succeed. |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2242
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:31:00 -
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Actually I think the developers will get a much better taste of the game if the imperfects bring there tanks and drop ships out for a dev stomping. The problem is they will red line them in 1 min and have a long boring match. So maybe they should just have open comms while they roll over them |
fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:37:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Actually I think the developers will get a much better taste of the game if the imperfects bring there tanks and drop ships out for a dev stomping. The problem is they will red line them in 1 min and have a long boring match. So maybe they should just have open comms while they roll over them
Bingo! |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
Doomheim
83
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:39:00 -
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fahrenheitM wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Only problem is what would Imperfects ask?
Would they true to make DUST gun game only and get tanks super nerfed or would they actually offer proper feedback and ask questions which helps the game in general and not purse ther own agenda tbh From what I've seen on here, many of their players have the correct mindset in that they want to see this game succeed. Same as 99,99% users of this forum, that not an argument. I'm not scare of what they could possibly ask. I'm scare that I waste time waiting for final reward that this tourney brings for community. |
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Omnipotens Zitro
Doomheim
425
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:50:00 -
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Playing a match against the Dev's doesn't help advance the game. If we do play them they will most likely nerf what ever we used and buff the opposite. We get nowhere with that based off the last time the players faced the Dev's. It will just be more time wasted. Yes it would be fun to play and stomp the Dev's but I would rather give them useful insight and information on what needs to be done to help this game become balance for everybody.
Everybody knows that there is alot of imbalance in the game. Armor tanks are useless, turrets are to powerful, Logi's don't have a pro dominate role, nobody uses armor plates(except heavies), to small of armor reps for heavies, redline needs to be fix, etc, etc, etc. So much more to type about that needs adjusting.
To accuss us of not being for the players is stupid. We have players that are spec into every single role. |
William HBonney
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:55:00 -
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Even speced into swarms...those idiots |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:56:00 -
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Omnipotens Zitro wrote:Playing a match against the Dev's doesn't help advance the game. If we do play them they will most likely nerf what ever we used and buff the opposite. We get nowhere with that based off the last time the players faced the Dev's. It will just be more time wasted. Yes it would be fun to play and stomp the Dev's but I would rather give them useful insight and information on what needs to be done to help this game become balance for everybody.
Everybody knows that there is alot of imbalance in the game. Armor tanks are useless, turrets are to powerful, Logi's don't have a pro dominate role, nobody uses armor plates(except heavies), to small of armor reps for heavies, redline needs to be fix, etc, etc, etc. So much more to type about that needs adjusting.
To accuss us of not being for the players is stupid. We have players that are spec into every single role.
this and tbh over the past few days on irc me and a few others from both SyN and Imp (noc and tiel) and even nova as well have been having good discussions on multiple fixes to swarms to sniping to armor etc it would be nice if the devs had a chat with ppl and not have to worry about wading through alot of the QQ feedback or just nonsense suggestions.
quicker devs can seperate good feedback from the bad is the quicker the game can progress. They wont be able to please everyone obv |
Omnipotens Zitro
Doomheim
425
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:57:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Omnipotens Zitro wrote:Imperfects would be interested in doing a feedback/input session in game instead of the Dev's dust match. In the voice session we can ask questions and give feedback/input. We feel this will be more valuable than playing a much against you guys. It will give you the Dev's valuable information to help make Dust 514 a better game for the whole community.
CCP please reply to acknowledge if this is possible or not. Thank you!
In CCP interest is to give feedback/input session, one per some time, this is a part of the advertising - irrespective of whether we like it or not, we always get this from CCP(at least once per year on FF), with is cool. Match with Dev's is something we don't get that often, still you want to change something valuable for something common. Do all community favour and ask Grideris to make session with CCP, and give SI match with Dev's if you don't want it. I'm sure everyone will be happy with it. It's not common to be able to talk to all the Dev's at one time in one place. Yes players talk to the Dev's in IRC but it is usually with 1 or 2 of them at a time and they are usually busy.
Having the chance to talk to all of the Dev team at the same time in one place is more valuable than the BO LAV. |
Ludwig Van Beatdropin
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
195
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:59:00 -
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I approve this message. |
fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:14:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Omnipotens Zitro wrote:Playing a match against the Dev's doesn't help advance the game. If we do play them they will most likely nerf what ever we used and buff the opposite. We get nowhere with that based off the last time the players faced the Dev's. It will just be more time wasted. Yes it would be fun to play and stomp the Dev's but I would rather give them useful insight and information on what needs to be done to help this game become balance for everybody.
Everybody knows that there is alot of imbalance in the game. Armor tanks are useless, turrets are to powerful, Logi's don't have a pro dominate role, nobody uses armor plates(except heavies), to small of armor reps for heavies, redline needs to be fix, etc, etc, etc. So much more to type about that needs adjusting.
To accuss us of not being for the players is stupid. We have players that are spec into every single role. this and tbh over the past few days on irc me and a few others from both SyN and Imp (noc and tiel) and even nova as well have been having good discussions on multiple fixes to swarms to sniping to armor etc it would be nice if the devs had a chat with ppl and not have to worry about wading through alot of the QQ feedback or just nonsense suggestions. quicker devs can seperate good feedback from the bad is the quicker the game can progress. They wont be able to please everyone obv
Sorry for the hi-jack Omni, but at some point they need to do what Numbz is saying by bringing together a rep (council?) from each of the major clans such as SYN, IMP, SI, GC, Zion, Hellstorm, KEQ, PFB, etc. Have a round table of reps to give FILTERED feedback on a consistent basis. |
Virex Staz
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:26:00 -
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Rather than completely discarding the idea of the devs match (which at least gives the devs first hand experience of a top level battle with the current mechanics), why not change the format a bit to get the best of both?
Team A - Winners + Devs (2 squads of each?) Team B - The World + Devs (1 squad from each of the other top teams, 1 squad of devs?)
Form up both teams at least half an hour before match time to discuss tactics etc. and keep the teams together for a while after the match. This gives you the ability to discuss game issues with the devs with some real context. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:39:00 -
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fahrenheitM wrote:Mavado V Noriega wrote:Omnipotens Zitro wrote:Playing a match against the Dev's doesn't help advance the game. If we do play them they will most likely nerf what ever we used and buff the opposite. We get nowhere with that based off the last time the players faced the Dev's. It will just be more time wasted. Yes it would be fun to play and stomp the Dev's but I would rather give them useful insight and information on what needs to be done to help this game become balance for everybody.
Everybody knows that there is alot of imbalance in the game. Armor tanks are useless, turrets are to powerful, Logi's don't have a pro dominate role, nobody uses armor plates(except heavies), to small of armor reps for heavies, redline needs to be fix, etc, etc, etc. So much more to type about that needs adjusting.
To accuss us of not being for the players is stupid. We have players that are spec into every single role. this and tbh over the past few days on irc me and a few others from both SyN and Imp (noc and tiel) and even nova as well have been having good discussions on multiple fixes to swarms to sniping to armor etc it would be nice if the devs had a chat with ppl and not have to worry about wading through alot of the QQ feedback or just nonsense suggestions. quicker devs can seperate good feedback from the bad is the quicker the game can progress. They wont be able to please everyone obv Sorry for the hi-jack Omni, but at some point they need to do what Numbz is saying by bringing together a rep (council?) from each of the major clans such as SYN, IMP, SI, GC, Zion, Hellstorm, KEQ, PFB, etc. Have a round table of reps to give FILTERED feedback on a consistent basis.
in other words a DUST CSM |
ReGnUm UNSTOPPABLE DEI
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:43:00 -
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There is reason why the IMP don't play Corp matches, because the games just turn in red lines. For the first 1min I shoot my GUN, and then for the rest of the game I do sweet jumps in my LAV :D.
Why would we want to PUB-STOMP CCP, when we could use that time to fix the game. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1032
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:45:00 -
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I think it would be a great idea. Everyone knows we would redline devs and whats the point in that. I don't think that will help the game any either and could be counter productive.
As Omni said we have players spec'd into every role (I even wasted sp in logi this build :-() and think we could be a good representative of the player base. We are just trying to leverage our winning and the devs not wanting us to curb stomp them into something good for the game and community as a whole.
That said, I have no issue gathering questions ideas from the community and posting the dev responses afterward. |
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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.11.13 18:09:00 -
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I'd rather see you play 3 games against them like you did vs SI. I think they want to be shown how the dynamics of a game work at a competative level. Trouble is they'll never get out of their redline after 2 minutes :P
I'm really not keen on you guys having a silver tongue meeting. There's nothing you can't post here. I have the same opinion on the IRC, as so few people use it. SI has only recently acquired an IRC user. 1 from over 75 players. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.13 18:24:00 -
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Winning the tournement proved Imperfects has the best combination of player and metagame skill. We can provide detailed feedback on WHY the game is not balancing as desired only possible with a real-time dialogue. I promise you that if this request is granted, we would push for more direct dev-playerbase focused communication. The template of CSM for DUST beta would satisfy this request. During a redline would distract the devs too much and color their bias agaist whatever we choose to use.
For a general overview of our position: The game needs to promote skill better. This means gun game and fitting synergy should trump SP. Vehicles and infantry should overlap less, strategic points need to be sturdier, multi-tiered and more diverse. Pages and pages of specific and general fixes made by inferring the intentions of CCP. Obviously we are all here hoping to be a part of something special, but the core mechanics are not working. More troubling, in some ways it is getting worse. Imagine how much more useful our feedback could be if CCP opens up to us about what kind of game they want to make. That is why we want to have a battle with the devs over mechanics and balance, instead of over pixel MCCs. |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
633
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Posted - 2012.11.13 18:42:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:I think they want to be shown how the dynamics of a game work at a competative level.
Theoretically they already saw that with the GMs spectating every match.
I would much rather speak with them to get an idea on where they envision things to be headed, and give input on where we feel things need to be changed. It's not an opportunity to lolbuff what we use to make us even stronger. People like myself and Noc pore over numbers and fitting styles to see it on paper, and then put them into use to see how that matches up.
Fun fact: Did you know right now under current mechanics, I could build a tank that did over 7000 damage (over 9100 to an armor target) each time I pressed R1? It's things like that that I want to see changed, that damage output is absurd. |
fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2012.11.13 18:45:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:Tony Calif wrote:I think they want to be shown how the dynamics of a game work at a competative level. Theoretically they already saw that with the GMs spectating every match. I would much rather speak with them to get an idea on where they envision things to be headed, and give input on where we feel things need to be changed. It's not an opportunity to lolbuff what we use to make us even stronger. People like myself and Noc pore over numbers and fitting styles to see it on paper, and then put them into use to see how that matches up. Fun fact: Did you know right now under current mechanics, I could build a tank that did over 7000 damage (over 9100 to an armor target) each time I pressed R1? It's things like that that I want to see changed, that damage output is absurd.
As a spectator you see people shooting at each other. When you watch n00bs, you see people shooting at each other with less organization.
What you don't see as a spectator is a good comprehension of the precision and skill level the players are using (especially with aiming and moving in a firefight). |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
338
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Posted - 2012.11.13 18:46:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Winning the tournement proved Imperfects has the best combination of player and metagame skill. We can provide detailed feedback on WHY the game is not balancing as desired only possible with a real-time dialogue. I promise you that if this request is granted, we would push for more direct dev-playerbase focused communication. The template of CSM for DUST beta would satisfy this request. During a redline would distract the devs too much and color their bias agaist whatever we choose to use.
For a general overview of our position: The game needs to promote skill better. This means gun game and fitting synergy should trump SP. Vehicles and infantry should overlap less, strategic points need to be sturdier, multi-tiered and more diverse. Pages and pages of specific and general fixes made by inferring the intentions of CCP. Obviously we are all here hoping to be a part of something special, but the core mechanics are not working. More troubling, in some ways it is getting worse. Imagine how much more useful our feedback could be if CCP opens up to us about what kind of game they want to make. That is why we want to have a battle with the devs over mechanics and balance, instead of over pixel MCCs.
What noc said |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.11.13 18:55:00 -
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Even among all of our corp we have differnent ideas on balancing and fixes to be made. A chance to chat with decd instead of physically ruining them will provide them with valuable and varied feedback. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1772
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Posted - 2012.11.13 19:07:00 -
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This idea is absurdly genius. Out of every corp around, Imperfects would have all the questions we'd want asked. I wanted to see the stream of devs getting dropship owned, but I can miss out on that for some Q&A.
Make sure to ask them how they plan to add RTS style to the game and when to the beta. Shooting is fun, but commanding is addictive :3 |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.11.13 19:18:00 -
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Why not Just all be on voice chat during the matches? Make a custom channel and all join it ?
Also your in a fun position to black mail the devs. They won't chat? Then just sit in the red zone, don't fire a shot untill they have a talk with you. They won't annonuce unlock 4/5 with news you didn't fight back. Your currently the best of the best. |
Captain-Awesome
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
349
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Posted - 2012.11.13 19:50:00 -
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I'm going to give an unbiased point of view here.
we could red line them with anything, that wouldn't show them what is working and what isn't, once you've red lined a team as a forge gunner, all you do is sit there and pop off the odd RDV. They won't learn anything from that.
chatting in irc: not all of us go there, zitro for example hasn't been there in a while and on top of that we are only specc'd mostly in our primary roles, so our opinion is biased to our role on the field and we cannot talk about everything available.
The forums: nice, but they get completely trashed and we don't get the feedback from the devs to listen to / counter their opinion, which is the real eye opener.
yes it would be awesome to have direct questions answered but this is as much for the devs as it is for us, sure we won a competition, but devs want to have lolz too.
If I was to ask anything from CCP, it would be if it was possible to make statistical changes separate from actual build changes (which include bug fixes) as this seems to be the main thing that throws everything out of whack. a fix on anything improves it that much more, and disrupts the entire order, so the consideration of buffing it should be reconsidered, if anything that was making it (or anything else) underpowered is now resolved. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
898
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Posted - 2012.11.13 19:54:00 -
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crazy space wrote:Why not Just all be on voice chat during the matches? Make a custom channel and all join it ?
Also your in a fun position to black mail the devs. They won't chat? Then just sit in the red zone, don't fire a shot untill they have a talk with you. They won't annonuce unlock 4/5 with news you didn't fight back. Your currently the best of the best.
Honestly, this is just a friendly request to jump in a channel with the Devs and give feedback and talk about the game. If the Devs end up wanting to do the match instead that's fine. We're just thinking a feedback session could prove a lot more useful. Hopefully it would actually be easier to get more Dev involvement in something like this since people could show up from Eve or Dust and talk in the same channel.
Compiling questions and feedback from the community before the talk would be a big plus. |
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