It's simple really. 1 good sniper is all the team needs. And if he's good, he's bearly shooting. He's in constant communication with the leaders and forever feeding them info. He only shoots in self defence or to take out a high priority target who's giving the ground team hell. In reality, snipers on ops shoot about once per engagement IF they're lucky. What you want to play as is NOT a sniper. You want to play as what the military calls a designated marksman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_marksman

People see DMs and instantly think he's a sniper. He's not. He extends the operational and operative range of the squad he is attached to. Snipers are attached to platoons in pairs. Therefore there 2 snipers for around every 40 men.

People also get annoyed because out of 14 players per team, 9 on each will be 'snipers' who are complete and utter dead weight to the team, who never cap or protect objectives, who never actually seem to lower their scope and do nothing but look at their own K\D. They also don't fit in to a shooter based around teamwork.

I personally thing the class needs a RADICAL redesign, or left as is but limited to 2 per team per game. Because right now, having snipers on your own team almost gurantees you've lost. Especially if there is more than 3.

From what I've seen, the majority of people's problems are with sniping being too easy, and with there being too many snipers.

It's not about the good snipers being good at being snipers. It's about the game making BAD snipers a viable method of earning money with minimal personal risk. You can be a bad sniper and still get a good K/D, and because you're not dying much (if at all), you're seeing almost all the post-battle income as pure profit.

Good snipers are fine. But the game makes things too easy for BAD snipers as well.

On the subject of snipers, are the sniper weapons light assault or heavy weapons. I ask so I know which skill to upgrade there for my sniper weapons...

Well i would think once everything starts moving to contract and corp battle then I would think that this would be a problem any more. Or at least hopefully it wouldnt be a problem anymore.

There will always be casual players.

There will always be a system for casual players to take NPC contracts.

There will always be a need for the game to be balanced with those problems in mind.

From what I've seen, the majority of people's problems are with sniping being too easy, and with there being too many snipers.

It's not about the good snipers being good at being snipers. It's about the game making BAD snipers a viable method of earning money with minimal personal risk. You can be a bad sniper and still get a good K/D, and because you're not dying much (if at all), you're seeing almost all the post-battle income as pure profit.

Good snipers are fine. But the game makes things too easy for BAD snipers as well.

What? casual players wont be playing against corps unless those casual players are in a corp that is.

Im no dead weight WHEN I do play. I always have my scope trained on the hack point of the objectives. When the icon turns orange, there is a dead person on the ground by the objective. I MAYBE only get 5-10 kills per round and thats protecting an objective. I do get bored of staring at an empty objective so I then hop into my assault suits and go die!

Re-read my first post. Re-quote it. Show me where I said anything about the problems with snipers being corp-related.

It's because snipers in general are totally worthless. Now, there are a few very good snipers. But certainly 2 on any team is enough. The reason I really hate snipers is because they feel they are the only players who should never change class. "But I'm a sniper" is not a valid reason to go cap objectives using a pistol. "I'm rubbish and will honestly get in your way" is a legitimate excuse. You see where I'm going. Basically, if there's 8 snipers on a team, they'll just keep sniping. They won't change class, call a tank or any of that jazz. They JUST snipe.

There are a very few good/awesome snipers in the game. These snipers are more important than grunt assault players like myself. I could be easily replaced in my team. I couldn't replace our snipers.

Light

So it's a light weapon the sniper rifle. So upgrading things like light weapon reload speed ect will make it faster if that's the case. Many thanks for your info. I've been playing this for months now, and I'm trying out the sniper as a last resort. The assault class are just tank fodder, the pilot doesn't seem to do anything. The heavy is so slow. So I've gone for the sniper so I don't have to be that involved in the slaughter.

that makes no sense. If i were a specialist for a sniper fit but was horrible at every other fit why then would i switch my class. So what I could become a detriment to my team when i was helping more when i stuck with what i know best.

Um you said "there will always be casual players" and i said " casual player wont be playing in any corp battles and contracts . since when the game goes full on is what every one since it will be the only was to get isk and such.

I don't think the real problem is a single sniper, or a handful of snipers. When I begin to get pissed at snipers it is when theres like a dozen that wont go out in the field because they to scared and just sit back under the mcc or something sniping entire match. I see this alot on the Manus peak map , I believe that's the map.. It happens so often that now when I see the trend begin , I say fk it and grab a militia sniper aswell.. no point in me suiciding

I use an assault rifle, a shotgun, a forge, a swarm, a sniper , pistol, and submachine gun

A sniper is not meant to go on the frontlines so i dont see how you can be mad about that. If I have a sniper rifle im not going to go to the front lines

Whether a bad sniper is in a corp or not, and whether a casual player is in a corp or not, the current sniping mechanics along with how the weapons are balanced still make them a SAFER way to earn ISK and SP than any other strategy at present. Casual players WILL see that, in comparison with ANY other strategy available to them, sniping is practically risk-free, and in NPC contracts, you'll see lots of bad snipers, unless things change.

As mentioned, current plans should see change happening to the sniping mechanics, so we'll just have to wait and see how that turns out.

A sniper is not meant to go on the frontlines so i dont see how you can be mad about that. If I have a sniper rifle im not going to go to the front lines

A sniper is not meant to go on the frontlines so i dont see how you can be mad about that. If I have a sniper rifle im not going to go to the front lines

What? Im still not getting you just about everyone here in the beta now will be in a corp. I thought that they said once everything is done or watever that contracts will be the only way to obtain isk. So im doubting that ppl that really dont play sniper will be playing anymore to save their suit sense it wont help them if they keep losing. Also in doing a contact Im pretty sure you wont be just playing randoms.

A sniper is not meant to go on the frontlines so i dont see how you can be mad about that. If I have a sniper rifle im not going to go to the front lines

Errrrrrrrrr what. Thats exactly what a snipers job is not sitting a million miles in the rear , they are up front evadeing detection and causeing mayhem, at least thats what my old seargent used to tel us.

Most of US will be in corps, yes, but what about the day-one players?

And which part of "NPC contracts" implies that there isn't a contract involved?

NPC contracts are still contracts. And they're the system under which we're currently playing, for the most part. You might want to note the use of the word "contract" in the phrase "NPC contract" - just driving that point home, since you seem not to have seen it earlier. NPC CONTRACT.

I've just spent a ton upgrading all the light weapon stuff and will report back soon if it has actually made a difference.
Thanks for the help again

Well for one there is no way that a team on any of these maps need just one sniper. Y because it is impossible for just one sniper to view the entire battle field angle wise. So just having one would be very stressful for that person. 3 would seem like more of a minimum for these maps. Also just because you have more snipers on your team doesnt mean that you've lost. If they can all work together then you have a much better chance at winning.

We wont be playing against against those players if your in a corp. You'll be playing against other corps in actual contracts
thats is what im getting at

From what I've seen, the majority of people's problems are with sniping being too easy, and with there being too many snipers.

It's not about the good snipers being good at being snipers. It's about the game making BAD snipers a viable method of earning money with minimal personal risk. You can be a bad sniper and still get a good K/D, and because you're not dying much (if at all), you're seeing almost all the post-battle income as pure profit.

Good snipers are fine. But the game makes things too easy for BAD snipers as well.

A sniper is not meant to go on the frontlines so i dont see how you can be mad about that. If I have a sniper rifle im not going to go to the front lines

So basically, "doesn't matter, won't affect me" then?

Great attitude towards testing.

Please go back and read my post about the difference between a Designated Marksman and a Sniper. Let me make this clear: You are NOT a sniper. There is NO sniper class in this game! It is INCORRECTLY named and you're actually playing as a Designated Marksman. You're job is to extend the operational (Read: Lethal) range of your squad. You are supposed to be on the front line, right next to your squad leader hitting priority targets and suppressing others so the actual killers of your unit (HMGs and AR) can get close enough to cause the real damage.

A sniper, that is, a true sniper... is more of a scout. He rarely fires his gun and spends 99% of his time on a radio. A marksman however is with the squad, giving them nearly double the lethal range and covering the rest of the squad with accurate fire. If you lone wolf, you're doing it COMPLETELY wrong.

Please go back and read my post about the difference between a Designated Marksman and a Sniper. Let me make this clear: You are NOT a sniper. There is NO sniper class in this game! It is INCORRECTLY named and you're actually playing as a Designated Marksman. You're job is to extend the operational (Read: Lethal) range of your squad. You are supposed to be on the front line, right next to your squad leader hitting priority targets and suppressing others so the actual killers of your unit (HMGs and AR) can get close enough to cause the real damage.

A sniper, that is, a true sniper... is more of a scout. He rarely fires his gun and spends 99% of his time on a radio. A marksman however is with the squad, giving them nearly double the lethal range and covering the rest of the squad with accurate fire. If you lone wolf, you're doing it COMPLETELY wrong.

I can overwatch on Manu Peaks by myself, you just have to know where to park. Try again. Basically Amarrkis, snipers in this game are a detriment to the team. Can you tell me with a straight face that 9 snipers on the hills on Manus Peak will do ANYTHING to take at least 2/3 of the objectives that is needed to win? Nope, they are just going to sit there and wonder why suddenly the other team has 3 points and they are being pushed back into their spawn.

What now your just saying stuff. Im telling you what the devs told us nothing more nothing less. Also what great attitude what attitude am i having?

Please go back and read my post about the difference between a Designated Marksman and a Sniper. Let me make this clear: You are NOT a sniper. There is NO sniper class in this game! It is INCORRECTLY named and you're actually playing as a Designated Marksman. You're job is to extend the operational (Read: Lethal) range of your squad. You are supposed to be on the front line, right next to your squad leader hitting priority targets and suppressing others so the actual killers of your unit (HMGs and AR) can get close enough to cause the real damage.

A sniper, that is, a true sniper... is more of a scout. He rarely fires his gun and spends 99% of his time on a radio. A marksman however is with the squad, giving them nearly double the lethal range and covering the rest of the squad with accurate fire. If you lone wolf, you're doing it COMPLETELY wrong.

I'm trying to point out something that currently DOES affect players, and if sniping mechanics don't change, will CONTINUE to affect players, with regards to how sniping works.

The ONLY argument you can level against me is that it doesn't matter because "everyone HERE will be in a corp anyway"

That sounds like the new players who pick the game up post-release don't matter at all to you. The people who are just going to play casually, and not join a corp don't matter to you. As far as you're concerned, anyone but people involved in player corporations is irrelevant, because you're not one of those players.

THAT attitude.

I'm not saying this because I expect to be personally affected by it post-release. I'm saying it because I can see how a NEW PLAYER WITHOUT A CORP will react if the mechanics and rewards for sniping aren't changed.

Personally I could give a crap about K/D. It's more about giggling as I pop some guy that just solo'd five blues just to get sniped as he goes to the hack point, knowing that he will be so fuming mad that he'll make a sniper rage post.

Personally I could give a crap about K/D. It's more about giggling as I pop some guy that just solo'd five blues just to get sniped as he goes to the hack point, knowing that he will be so fuming mad that he'll make a sniper rage post.

Snipers are a part of the game, just like Vehicles are.

kinda sucks when there are 63 of them on your team in a match, but what can you do.

Again let me make this clear that scout suit an the type of weapons available for it is not meant to be on the front lines whats so ever. It in now way is even remotely built to be able to handle any front line action.

Amen, brother. This is why CCP Wolfman is currently retooling sniper weapons such that the shooter will have to account for projectile travel time and bullet drop when shooting, such that a certain skill level is necessary to use these weapons.

In my opinion, the primary issue with snipers is the extremely low skill ceiling to becoming one. If you're as good as some of the ones we all know from the killfeed, you can have people hanging around the edges of the map trying to stay alive. However, as Garrett said, you can also be a lousy shot, and still come out on top in income because you're hiding away where no one can see you, getting a single kill each match and raking in the rewards. I see this change that is being worked on as we speak as a way to raise the skill ceiling far above what it is now, and reward the better shooters while removing the easy route from those without sufficient skill.

There will always be casual gamers, and CCP is doing their part to ensure that those people are on the field with us where they belong, not being useless redline snipers for personal profit.

Don't limit your options, the sniper is just another gun that happens to have a low rof and high damage output.

that made no sense.

never seen a larger group of people work harder to defend their bs game play "style".

if you guys have to go this far to defend your crappy "help"
then it's pretty obvious you guys are the only ones who just don't get it.

you spend nothing. you hide.
you can't arm, you can't heal, you can't repair.
if the team loses, who cares?
your precious kd is intact and you spent nothiing on gear

if the team wins, your kd is the same and your expenses are the same
but now you get to put a +1 in the win column because everyone else carried you to the win line.


friggin anchors.

you provide no recon.
you still expect a squad of 4 to work with 3 people on the field and you in the mountains
AND
you have the balls to request fragos.

any squad leader who spams points off an anchor sniper is possibly as bad as the sniper himself.
sorry... my bad.

herself.

when they push out the new sniper build... it should come with a box of choclates and a case of tampons

Peace
B

Well im not defending any crappy help so sure watever. Also i thought a sniper was suppose to hide??? Your pointing out stupid things. Im not a sniper because i care about my K/D. I provide info on the battle field. Yes some dont but all are not like that.

No it makes perfect sense a sniper can actually be very effective on the frontlines in many situations.

never seen a larger group of people work harder to defend their bs game play "style".

if you guys have to go this far to defend your crappy "help"
then it's pretty obvious you guys are the only ones who just don't get it.

you spend nothing. you hide.
you can't arm, you can't heal, you can't repair.
if the team loses, who cares?
your precious kd is intact and you spent nothiing on gear

if the team wins, your kd is the same and your expenses are the same
but now you get to put a +1 in the win column because everyone else carried you to the win line.


friggin anchors.

you provide no recon.
you still expect a squad of 4 to work with 3 people on the field and you in the mountains
AND
you have the balls to request fragos.

any squad leader who spams points off an anchor sniper is possibly as bad as the sniper himself.
sorry... my bad.

herself.

when they push out the new sniper build... it should come with a box of choclates and a case of tampons

Peace
B

Ive never seen you running anywhere.To hack anything .tbh

And I don't think I have ever seen you at all.

I think whats even more funny is how these "bad ass" snipers dont even have mics and cant call out enemy movement.lol

whats even more hilarious is ask one to get rid of an enemy sniper to "anti snipe"they wont .They're quite content hiding and not giving away there position to the enemy sniper.....pure garbage

You care about your K/D, so you are a sniper. So you admit that you are not helping your team. Today is Veterans day in America and I believe Canada as well. Do you know what it means to be part of a military team? It means not worrying whether you live or die, only that your buddies make it home.

Countersnipers go on the frontlines- just bring up your scrambler pistol operation and sidearm sharpshooter. Then you'll notice you're not only effective with picking off targets outside of the range of ARs, but also that other snipers (which are being useless) are VERY easy targets for you.

Secondly CCP should make it so that you cannot get kills if you're behind the redline.

No it makes perfect sense a sniper can actually be very effective on the frontlines in many situations.

I think whats even more funny is how these "bad ass" snipers dont even have mics and cant call out enemy movement.lol

whats even more hilarious is ask one to get rid of an enemy sniper to "anti snipe"they wont .They're quite content hiding and not giving away there position to the enemy sniper.....pure garbage

I really dont get it at all. I mean Im a sniper I could have thought our position was sniping and reconnaissance on the battle field. So y are you getting mad at Snipers because their good at what they do. That like getting mad at a Heavy because their always in the front lines and never on the cliffs sniping or not leading the rush into battle, and thats redonkuluss y because thats what the suits are made for. Also we are very helpful in battle such as being able to spot large group of ppl that others might not see of being able to tell the location of tanks, LAV's and dropships. providing cover and assistants. I just don get it

You care about your K/D, so you are a sniper. So you admit that you are not helping your team. Today is Veterans day in America and I believe Canada as well. Do you know what it means to be part of a military team? It means not worrying whether you live or die, only that your buddies make it home.

"but what can you do"

well...

personally i look forward to having my alt since you nerds love alt accounts, i figure ill join in this time.

only thing is my alt will be the one who pops into pub rooms in null sec, looks at the map prior to spawning and heads out asap to the camp snipers on our team.
ill probably mess with you first, just hit you occasionally to throw off your aim. but then ill get bored and just flat out tk you.
it's my alt. what do i care? stats don't matter.

but towards the end of the game ill skip the funny stuff and just land and tk you, and you and you...

reallly any camp sniper on any team in null sec.
ill be the one who tks you. a lot.

gonna love watching you spend money. spend that money.
kit after kit. ill be using standard gear. no loss for me.

so yeah... we can do that.

Peace
B

Ok again no that didnt because you just now changed what you were referring to from the gun to the character style so no.

So close minded

what part of what I said doesn't make any sense

I don't think the problem is 100% snipers (good or bad). Maybe the problem is that they can snipe you from their redzone, and that's kinda dificult for teams who have not snipers in their team (it's kinda the same with tanks sniping from their redzone). Yes, you can climb the mountain and kill them but if they are not close enough from the "general zone" you will get suicide. I think the principal problem is the redzone. The rest it's just normal. If you're a regular player, you know where they are. You just need 1 sniper to take them down and they won't back to those places. Get a good suit and they will need 3 or 4 shoots to kill you. Move between mountais or buldings and you won't even feel snipers.

Sorry for the english. See you

Manus Peak.

Enemy snipers behind the redline, camped out on the hills.

We had ONE sniper taking them on. In a Heavy Suit.

I was camped out behind a nearby rock with my Repair Tool. When he took a bit of damage, he ran over to me, and I patched the holes. By the time he was full repaired, his shields were usually past half strength again as well, so he just stepped back out and faced down all the sniper fire.

Enemy changed tactics and brought a tank. Sniper kept sniping. I broke out a Swarm Launcher.

Surprisingly, with more than half the enemy team sitting in their spawn doing absolutely nothing, our team won. Funny how that works out sometimes.

I don't think the problem is 100% snipers (good or bad). Maybe the problem is that they can snipe you from their redzone, and that's kinda dificult for teams who have not snipers in their team (it's kinda the same with tanks sniping from their redzone). Yes, you can climb the mountain and kill them but if they are not close enough from the "general zone" you will get suicide. I think the principal problem is the redzone. The rest it's just normal. If you're a regular player, you know where they are. You just need 1 sniper to take them down and they won't back to those places. Get a good suit and they will need 3 or 4 shoots to kill you. Move between mountais or buldings and you won't even feel snipers.

Sorry for the english. See you

lol First off I never mentioned the scout suit and all I said was a sniper rifle is essentially a weapon with a low RoF and high damage output and in alot of situations actually does a good job when used on the frontline, makes perfect sense to me. Maybe if you tried it more often instead of camping in a high place you will begin to understand.

Heavy snipers are a deadly crowd, luckily a small crowd.. hopefully it doesnt start a trend.

In the market in singularity there's a heavy suit that trades the ability to use heavy weapons for an equipment slot. I can't wait to see the fat suit snipers waddle up the mountain. I'll follow with my tuba

o.0 wtf, I don't like that plan . let heavies use light weapons, while light weapon users can't use heavies and throw in an extra equipment slot for them o.0 just no

don't worry heavies have big heads

my fault you said sniper in your second post, most of the time when someone says sniper they kinda mine the whole thing suit and all. Also i was not being closed minded to your comment. I said that is not what the sniper rifle is built for, and your really not on the front line if you have enough time for your sniper to steady for a shot. Just to say but if your shooting before hand then by all means you go and revolutionize but ill stick to what is was meant for thanks.

get a good suit and take 3-4 shots? LOLOLOL.. maybe if your a heavy, and good luck traversing the terrain to get to them. Ishukone sniper rifle blasts my A type assault suit with complex shielding in one shot sometimes I get lucky and get away with a slim bar of armor

I don't think the problem is 100% snipers (good or bad). Maybe the problem is that they can snipe you from their redzone, and that's kinda dificult for teams who have not snipers in their team (it's kinda the same with tanks sniping from their redzone). Yes, you can climb the mountain and kill them but if they are not close enough from the "general zone" you will get suicide. I think the principal problem is the redzone. The rest it's just normal. If you're a regular player, you know where they are. You just need 1 sniper to take them down and they won't back to those places. Get a good suit and they will need 3 or 4 shoots to kill you. Move between mountais or buldings and you won't even feel snipers.

Sorry for the english. See you

Well your no fun

like I said before, close minded

*sigh* I guess you just want to keep this going huh fine then

LIKE I SAID BEFORE OK STAY WITH ME. The Sniper Rifle is MEANT for long distance OK YOU STILL WITH ME it in no way WAS MEANT for SHORT RANGE/ FRONT LINES but some how you dont seem to understand that

*sigh* I guess you just want to keep this going huh fine then

LIKE I SAID BEFORE OK STAY WITH ME. The Sniper Rifle is MEANT for long distance OK YOU STILL WITH ME it in no way WAS MEANT for SHORT RANGE/ FRONT LINES but some how you dont seem to understand that

Everyone and this redzone stuff has anyone ever thought for one moment(not saying you dont) that each team can not see the red line that separates their team from the other teams safe zone. So while i see a nice safe zone that I've found to snipe from. Someone else see's a sneaky sniper thats scared to come down and play because they are doing what their suit and weapon are built for. has anyone every thought of that?

I really like your name by the way PS: Temari beat him bad.

Well, when i see a match inbalanced and i will get kill so many times, sometimes i use my redzone to snipe people. I have not problem with a safe zone, i think it's necessary. But i think, the difference between my redzone and the enemy redzone is too big. Maybe if an Assault Suit, or Logistic Suit can go to the enemy redzone, kill the sniper and come back in less than 15 seconds will be better for the gameplay. Because in this way, people get forced to use snipers. I know, if you have a little of all in your team is better. But i don't think that anyone wants to gets forced to play with something that he/she don't want to or don't like. If i have a team with 0 snipers and i want to kill one who is in the top of some building in his redzone? Give me options, make the game flexible.

So it's a light weapon the sniper rifle. So upgrading things like light weapon reload speed ect will make it faster if that's the case. Many thanks for your info. I've been playing this for months now, and I'm trying out the sniper as a last resort. The assault class are just tank fodder, the pilot doesn't seem to do anything. The heavy is so slow. So I've gone for the sniper so I don't have to be that involved in the slaughter.

supply depots

Bzzt. Wrong. Sniper Rifles are not meant for long range. Any gun can do long range (A standard rifle can hit targets at 500 meters, 300 accurately). The point of a sniper rifle is to hit targets between 3 and 600 meters ACCURATELY . That's the key difference. It's not made for range, it's made for precision. The range is a by-product of that.

Please for the love of all that is holy, stop with the over romanized idea of a sniper being a lone wolf killer hiding in the long grass. It does not exist and the fact it's perpetuated HURTS team based FPS games!

Wow, one can use any weapon how they want. If people can snipe on the front line then, go for it. If you want to skill up your scrambler pistol to do long range, go for it. You wanna bring a knife to a gun fight, go for it. Why put limitations on things?

LOL i know, i mean, if i want to play all the match, with a heavy suit, you must give me the chance to kill an assault, logistic or sniper suit. You must give them differents advantage to the suits, but you need to do anything with any suit, maybe faster and better with one than other, but anything with anyone

ANNNT WRONG, SORRY, U ARE THE WEAKEST LINK GOODBYE!!! Yes it is meant for precision but it is mean for precision over LONG RANGE or there wouldn't be a scope that has great power than a assault rifle. Tho yes you can use one closer, The sniper rifle that is in the game (which i should have stated early) is not meant for such a thing.

Bring friends.

Seriously, no. Not every soldier on the battlefield should have a fair fight against every other soldier on the battlefield. An army NEEDS varied members or it won't be viable. You need vehicles or AV guys to take down the enemy's vehicles. You need Logistics/Support people equipped with Nanohives. Snipers are great at long range, but vulnerable in close, and vulnerable to counter-sniping.

If you, personally, aren't prepared to change your role to fit the situation, bring along someone who WILL. Or bring friends who fill different roles from your own. Don't expect to run ANY job solo and handle EVERYTHING the game throws at you all the time.

LOL i know, i mean, if i want to play all the match, with a heavy suit, you must give me the chance to kill an assault, logistic or sniper suit. You must give them differents advantage to the suits, but you need to do anything with any suit, maybe faster and better with one than other, but anything with anyone

Like i said, of course it's better if you have all in your team, and I never said fair fight against every other soldier. I just said, a possibility.

Well actually, I wasn't expecting you to reply to that

And I'm just saying your not using the sniper to its full potential

And this is a video game, you never take the description of a weapon seriously in a video game.

Going a little off point here... You've never fired a gun, have you? It has a scope so it's precise. Telescopic sights exist for Designated Marksmen to do their job easier (Extend accurate, lethal engagement range of their squad, remember when I said that part?)... gun's are not easy to aim, nothing like a video game, son.

If we're talking about the game, well then it's still a redundant, useless tool that can have it's rolled filled more efficiently by someone in Assault Gear using the Tac Rifle with Sharpshooter 5. A sniper does 1 thing in this game... And it does it poorly. A good sniper is better, but he's still gimping himself by a weapon with limited and difficult application.

Anyone else get the feeling they're talking to a wall? Dude, seriously, defend the play style all you want, it don't change the fact it's from a long gone and long dead genre of FPS gaming. It has no place in modern shooters, it contributes nothing.

I get what your saying but then again, forgive me for being blunt but its just who i am, what you said is stupid the classes are much like rock, paper, scissors each being able to beat another but none being able to beat all. This is why ppl create corps so that they can have an assortment of players to take onto battle( not to say that you didnt know that.) But i do think that each class should have at least 5 special things that only that suit can accomplish.