Maybe something is just broke on the payouts when the tanks and droships die.

Anyone else getting little isk for killing tanks and dropships?

Its easy to get 140,-200 isk killing folks

But killing just tanks and ships is not yielding much

If you're talking about the match I think you are, because I know I played 2 matches with you today, one of those deaths would have been to my profile dampened shotgun Scout.

You and your teamates did a fast job on my Gunnlogi. I was impressed.

Maybe something is just broke on the payouts when the tanks and droships die.

Anyone else getting little isk for killing tanks and dropships?

Its easy to get 140,-200 isk killing folks

But killing just tanks and ships is not yielding much

Forge Guns are the best answer to DROPSHIPS in the current build, because they can usually one-shot if you're on a similar level in terms of tech level and SP investment.

But against ground vehicles, Swarms are better. You don't need as long to get a lock, you can duck into cover as you're firing, you can curve shots to misdirect your target's return fire, and Assaults or even Scouts can carry them, allowing much greater mobility than a Heavy suit.

Even a Militia Swarm Launcher can deal visible damage to the toughest tanks. If you can keep your ammo supply up (Depot or Nanohive), a couple of decent Swarm Launchers can control a surprisingly wide area.

actually, railguns (besides militia and possibly standard small railguns) are the best way to take them down- IF you get them deployed without the dropship killing you first

Turret installations are deployable now?

And to reply to someone else. Actually the payouts for taking out Vehicles are real crappy. Got the death blows on a myron, Viper, and 2 other drop ships in 1 game earlier. Got Jack crap for isk at the end, something like 120k, which is right around when I get normally.

Fitting a railgun to an LAV or HAV has its perks- anti aircraft is one of them

At this point forge gunning is extremely fun.

However something is broken with the pay out system. I took out a Prometheus, assisted on two tanks and countless LAVs, went 13-9 and received 68,000 isk.


My forge gun alone is 100,000 isk. So needless to say I lost money.

I normally don't die this much except while forge gunning so if everyone (tank drivers) want to keep saying skill into forge guns that s the answer to the overpowered splash damage done by missiles.

They say this because they are laughing inside knowing that a forge gunner is an easy kill.

I mean my best damage forge gun is awesome but its a suicide run. I have to stand still for six seconds maybe five with my skills not sure. So first shot you have the surprise, but let me tell you that tank guy knows where he was shot from and in 5-6 seconds for my second shot he could practically drive across the map in that amount of time and run me over.

If payouts were great for taking out a 400,000 plus Prometheus or tank then maybe forge gunning would be the answer but until the payouts are increased forge gun in is a money pit.

actually, railguns (besides militia and possibly standard small railguns) are the best way to take them down- IF you get them deployed without the dropship killing you first

Your a sneaky one with that shottie

Man howthattaste you must really suck I started up a heavy account yestarday it is sitting at a 2.4 k/d and going up. I have killed 4 myrons with the first assault forge gun in one game. killed a gunnlogi and many sicas No idea what your trouble is. I have been able to hold down top spot almost every game i am in for warpoints a and was able to hold down most kills most of the time. Really man you get in a 1v1 situation and you just rip up proto assault suits like they are paper. If you forge and you are smart you can take out gunnlogis with the first forge and no damage modes I am guessing issikone is much better. And when the tank runs you can basically hit them accross the map with out even skilling into range prof.

Just because your a heavy does not mean you should be a one man army. right now heavies rip dropships up if your any good. Tanks melt to the forge. Your able to use splash damage to 2 hit kill and direct hits 1 hit kill with a forge. And if people dare to come close just pull out a advanced SMG and they are torn apart.

I would put 1k down that either your squad really sucks so they can not defend you. or your one of those idiots that expect to stand in the middle of the road with your forge and kill a tank 1v1.

Now if you posted something like The isk rewards for killing tanks is crap or that even though you do the most damage to the tank yet you do not get rewarded and some militant swarm robs your kill. Or you loose your kill to burn damage blowing up the tank. I would say yes viable rage.

Man howthattaste you must really suck I started up a heavy account yestarday it is sitting at a 2.4 k/d and going up. I have killed 4 myrons with the first assault forge gun in one game. killed a gunnlogi and many sicas No idea what your trouble is. I have been able to hold down top spot almost every game i am in for warpoints a and was able to hold down most kills most of the time. Really man you get in a 1v1 situation and you just rip up proto assault suits like they are paper. If you forge and you are smart you can take out gunnlogis with the first forge and no damage modes I am guessing issikone is much better. And when the tank runs you can basically hit them accross the map with out even skilling into range prof.

Just because your a heavy does not mean you should be a one man army. right now heavies rip dropships up if your any good. Tanks melt to the forge. Your able to use splash damage to 2 hit kill and direct hits 1 hit kill with a forge. And if people dare to come close just pull out a advanced SMG and they are torn apart.

I would put 1k down that either your squad really sucks so they can not defend you. or your one of those idiots that expect to stand in the middle of the road with your forge and kill a tank 1v1.

Now if you posted something like The isk rewards for killing tanks is crap or that even though you do the most damage to the tank yet you do not get rewarded and some militant swarm robs your kill. Or you loose your kill to burn damage blowing up the tank. I would say yes viable rage.

Fitting a railgun to an LAV or HAV has its perks- anti aircraft is one of them

Forge Guns are the best answer to DROPSHIPS in the current build, because they can usually one-shot if you're on a similar level in terms of tech level and SP investment.

But against ground vehicles, Swarms are better. You don't need as long to get a lock, you can duck into cover as you're firing, you can curve shots to misdirect your target's return fire, and Assaults or even Scouts can carry them, allowing much greater mobility than a Heavy suit.

Even a Militia Swarm Launcher can deal visible damage to the toughest tanks. If you can keep your ammo supply up (Depot or Nanohive), a couple of decent Swarm Launchers can control a surprisingly wide area.

You are either new or have no idea of what you speak.

Gunlogi with a large missile turret and +20% damage mod on it's small and large missile turrets, plus bonuses from the ones on the guns for example. As soon as that missile turret sees you, you are toast. They can duck behind a mountain, pop out and fire off a volley of OHK missiles, and disappear in less time than it takes for you to even lock on, let alone for your swarms to reach them.

You cannot get close enough to counter the hiding behind mountains because the rest of their AR loaded team would have to be completely inept to not see you sneaking around the whole map looking for an optimal shot at a tank with nothing but a swarm launcher and a SMG or pistol, so that means you are constantly taken out by snipers, foot soldiers, the tank itself, and every runt in between who dares to try to use a different weapon because all you have is an SMG/pistol for defense.

So swarms are not the answer either.

And as for OHK a dropship with a forge gun, I myself have been able to make a Viper with over 3000 shields. Do you see very many forge guns that do 3500+ damage to take out it's armor and shields? I don't think so. And that's IF you can even hit the damn thing with it being able to flying out of range in less time than it takes for you to charge a shot.

Neither forge or swarms are the answer, they are merely fun toys that do well against weak (swarms) or incompetently driven/gunned (forge) vehicles.

The fact that orbital strikes don't hardly damage tanks and can't be locked onto dropships bugs me too, but that's another topic.

3 players with Militia Swarm Launchers on the AV Starter fits. 0 cost to set up, and 0 cost to replace after death.

A handful of snipers/AR guys on your team to hold the enemy AR guys at bay while one or two of your Swarm guys move to better firing positions - possibly using a starter fit LAV or two for transport.

Get lined up with 2 or 3 different angles on the target, and they can pop back into cover only to realise they'e just popped OUT of cover for another guy.

Their missiles have travel time too, and if you're not where they expect you to be when they pop out to shoot, they'll miss their chance by the time they have to retreat. Reposition, not far, just a little, while the target's hiding. Your snipers and AR guys can prevent their infantry from getting a good bead on the Swarm users, which means they don't get to pre-emptively target you - they HAVE to come out of hiding to find their targets.

And if you're using Profile Dampeners with your AV fitting, you're even harder to spot.

I've seen a couple of FREE starter fits take out multiple Gunnlogis in a single match.

I've personally killed a Sagaris with a BPO-modified AV Starter fit. Obviously, not alone, but I landed the finishing blow.

Dropships get to cheat the system a little because of the dodgy pathing, but if you're good with Swarms, you can manipulate the pathing glitches to your advantage against ground targets.

Have u met a good shield tank. not mine. but a sagaris or well fit gunnlogi. Milita swarms. they laugh at those. Lol

When you're not up against cheaply-fitted tanks, you bring something that costs more than NO ISK AT ALL to fight them.

Obviously.

Also, that Sagaris had lost its shields already when I landed my finishing blow. Something called a "Forge Gun" - maybe you've heard of them? One of the turrets landed a kill on the guy before he could finish the job, but fortunately, Mr Militia Fit (I was actually LAV hunting at the time) was in the right place to get a lucky shot before the shields came back.

Maybe something is just broke on the payouts when the tanks and droships die.

Anyone else getting little isk for killing tanks and dropships?

Its easy to get 140,-200 isk killing folks

But killing just tanks and ships is not yielding much

u nvr mentioned forge guns all u said 3 milita swarms can kill a tank and i was just proving u wrong. btw this thread is why forge guns need to be cheaper. But none the less nice finish on tht sagaris Lol. i remember when i got the finishing blows on a gunnlogi with a toxin. :D

Out of interest, could the reduced payout be a reflection of the time it takes taking drop ships or HAV's out, compared to the amount of infantry kills you'd normally get?

If not, it does sound like rewards aren't being calculated correctly.

u nvr mentioned forge guns all u said 3 milita swarms can kill a tank and i was just proving u wrong. btw this thread is why forge guns need to be cheaper. But none the less nice finish on tht sagaris Lol. i remember when i got the finishing blows on a gunnlogi with a toxin. :D

Even a Militia Swarm Launcher can deal visible damage to the toughest tanks.

Light damage mods are your friends ... if you get hit while you're HAV hunting you're dead ... I have a 40k advanced swarm fit with advanced rep and plate and dual advanced damage mods that shreads HAVs.

I've only just started running it, used to tank the high slots for survivability, but the HAVs are getting good now and a cheap high damage fit is needed to take them out.

But this is all off topic ...

I agree payouts seem a bit off ... I'm not sure if payouts are somehow based on the value you are risking aswell. For the HAV killing HAV post earlier getting high payouts it would make sense.

I also seem to notice when I run free fits I earn less than I do running 40-50k fits when getting similar results in vehicle kills and suit losses etc.

Anyone else noticed this as a possible factor in the calculation ?

Maybe something is just broke on the payouts when the tanks and droships die.

Anyone else getting little isk for killing tanks and dropships?

Its easy to get 140,-200 isk killing folks

But killing just tanks and ships is not yielding much

I said they can kill a tank. And they can. I never said they can kill ANY tank. A well-fitted shield tanked Gunnlogi would be possible for 3 Militia Swarms to take down, but you'd need luck on your side, and some good covering fire from the rest of your team while you're doing it.

I said that I've seen a couple of players (that's 2) take down multiple Gunnlogis in a single match using only starter AV fits. That's also true. They weren't well-fitted Gunnlogis, and they hadn't been shield tanked particularly well. They were still Gunnlogis, and we skill killed 3 of them with 0 cost to ourselves. I died twice, the other guy died 3 times. One death each to the tanks themselves, and a couple of AR or Sniper deaths while we were busy. If they had been taking the Militia Swarms easily, I'd have been bringing a better Swarm Launcher. I don't use Forge Guns this build, I don't have a Forge fitting at the moment, the guy I was running AV with in that match did, but didn't think it was necessary at the time.



That's the core point of the post where you started arguing against me, and it's still true. Best shield-tanked Sagaris I've seen will still feel a Militia Swarm - not as a major threat, but at least a noticeable one.

You are missing the over all point. This may work in corp battles where everyone in your team works together to open a path to the tank for you (if they are able to), but in general battles that will never happen. 3 militia swarms. That means you only have 1 squad mate left to clear a path for all 3 of you through all of the snipers and AR's so you can get a clear shot at the tank (since the blueberries couldn't care less you wanna kill the tank). And depending on the map, the tank can outmaneuver your weak swarms easily. Ever tried this trick around the north buildings in Line Harvest? Crates, walls, ceilings, and stupid swarms that fly right into stuff instead of heading straight to the target kind of stop your strategy in it's tracks even IF your one squad mate can clear a path. Manus peak? Swarms have flown into cliffs and rocks directly to my right on that map so many times that I'm starting to think the map is bugged. In fact, there are maybe 10 small areas collectively over every map available that would allow you to pull off such a thing without something going wrong. IF the tank is in such a place, IF you have someone to clear you a path, IF you have the ammo, IF you have 3 people with swarms, IF you are able to dodge every volley, IF you can somehow not have your swarms detouring into the face of a mountain on the way to the target, then yeah, you might have a chance.

ie, it's a broken system.

IF I might add to this.... in a recent thread someone brought it to my attention, the above... plus this little gem. The contract you are playing for payment is already decided. Meaning that you can't turn to the corporation that hired you and pull the Construction Contractors bread and butter......There were some problems, we are going to have to charge you more MONEY.

Killing enemy soldiers nets you more money as most games are based on the fact that if you deplete the other sides clones, however that does not apply to vehicles..... I wish CCP would clarify some points. I believe the way CCP explained in the thread I have no idea how to find, that the vehicles only cost the player money.... destroying 1 does not immediately transfer the cost of the vehicle over to the destroyer.... it is written off as a loss, while the vehicle if effective can make the player money that uses it.

So, nobody has a problem with getting no additional money (isk) for taking out a vehicle, while getting extra money for using one.....curious.

Oh and if you are going to plagarize a post at least have the decency to admit it.

So, nobody has a problem with getting no additional money (isk) for taking out a vehicle, while getting extra money for using one.....curious.

Oh and if you are going to plagarize a post at least have the decency to admit it.

Well now that tanks will be half price the forge gun is going to be more expensive to run than ever?

I just hope the payouts are going to make up for it. Cause I love my forge gun, can't wait for some tasty tanks.

So I just blew up two gun logis. Not sure how much help I got but I sure thought I would get a hug payday. But I only got 148,000 isk is this all we get for that kinda work and suit loss?