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SoTa PoP wrote:

PDIGGY22 wrote:

SoTa PoP wrote:

no, people want a game EXACTLY like this, but the beta doesn't hold up to the hype CCP made it out to be.

One of the things that made me say "I WANT" is the commander role, playing RTS in an FPS tickled the hell out of me. I was going to specialize that role and be commander like no other, but nope, not even any word about the class.

Maps are too big, 16 vs 16 for this games idea is too small, vehicles either are useless or dominate an unprepared team, and CCP doesn't seem to want to relax our anxiety over this game at all. There's several threads stating how distraught people are by CCP and how they're handling the builds and whipes and yet no reply to even say, "It's okay peeps, this is only half our features compared to the real game."

Oh, but they're more then willing to comment if we bump a recruitment thread. o.0

NOBODY wants a game that simply makes you better just because you play it more, nothing rewarding about killing someone and knowing it was all due to your equipment vs your opponents equipment

What? Sorry but I disagree, no one wants another Call of Duty where the only thing you can do to advance is get more (pointless) OP weapons. If I put down 100 hours on this game and the person I'm facing just started, I better own his face, especially considering it costs ISK that gets taken from me on death to be better then him.

And to push my point further, militia gear kills well enough of the majority of players. So what if you have to run from a heavy, you'd have to run from a tank too, no difference, both put up ISK to be where they're at. You're given enough starting SP to not be completely useless if you spec right. And if you find you did mess up, start over.

A proper reward system is exactly what FPS is missing, but it's also missing RPG elements imo. Killzone 3 was nice, just wasn't much fun once you realized you should grab an LMG and crouch everytime you see an enemy for perfect aim.

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slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 462	Posted - 2012.10.20 14:29:00 - [31] - Quote Don't worry the game will survive as a PC port :)
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.20 14:31:00 - [32] - Quote are sony that bad to deal with? i hate ports. even worse unreal engine ports.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.10.20 14:33:00 - [33] - Quote Lonewolf514 wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: A big part of it is probably the SP gain / cap, it really strips away a lot of incentive to play, especially for casuals. the devs can see the 7+ year plan try explaining that to someone that just came from one of the other shooters. they need to get a grip tbh. mmofps- yeah whatever! Who needs to get a grip,the players that want to zerg rush to the top level in a week,or the devs that are actually tying to make a game that will last longer than when the next shooter comes out? I know this beta has more than it's fair share of problems,but the only real issue is that the gains are way too low after three days of solid play,and the ISK reward is pretty meager at that point as well. All then need to do is to make a hard ceiling of say like 150k,and a hard floor where you won't earn any less than a certain amount.I think that everyone would be happy if they were making no less than 10k sp per match once they have exhausted their high level cap,but all of this has to coincide with the function of not touching the ceiling of the amount of ISK that we can earn. If I'm making 100k ISK,but only getting 10k SP at the end of five days,I think I could live with that. BTW,the seven years thing only applies to if you have a character sitting idle collecting passive SP.With the points boosters,daily earnings,along with passive sp gain,it would be much quicker,I assume.
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.20 14:37:00 - [34] - Quote imo the devs. i didnt like the clever move they seemed to pull with little thought last build. the players have to be moulded over time. without them knowing. this is an fps and fps want insta fun. get their attention then give them other options. ps i hate dota 2 gabe didnt mould me on that one. i do have a spare key though for anyone who knows my steam name. and it is a ******* awesome game, just dont like that gametype.
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.10.20 14:45:00 - [35] - Quote went from 4 people in my corp chat to 20+ all miced last night.
Lonewolf514 79	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:04:00 - [36] - Quote mic shouldnt be required to play this game just an option. just saying.
Will Navidson2 Doomheim 6	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:20:00 - [37] - Quote Just so you know when eve players come play on the sisi server they stop playing their characters. They play a mirror of their characters. So don't expect eve players to just flood the server and give up their actual games. It would be like asking you to stop playing on your account and play on someone else account.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.10.20 15:23:00 - [38] - Quote Lonewolf514 wrote: mic shouldnt be required to play this game just an option. just saying. It is optional. Corporations like to have people with mics b/c of better communication.
Grenwal Hiesenberg Shadow Company HQ 225	Posted - 2012.10.20 16:26:00 - [39] - Quote Lonewolf514 wrote: mic shouldnt be required to play this game just an option. just saying. If you have/are a good squad leader,it's not necessary at all. It definitely helps, just like most other games, but it's not required. Team up with a better squad leader or become one yourself.
Project Orian Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:03:00 - [40] - Quote The trolling on this thread is just oozing, Clearly children have nothing else to do

Longshot Ravenwood Algintal Core Gallente Federation 680	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:12:00 - [41] - Quote From now on I'm just going to reply to these kinds of posts with this: Longshot Ravenwood wrote: DUST 514 is DOOOOOOOMED?!?!? This has been a public service announcement from Longshot Ravenwood.
PDIGGY22 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 189	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:17:00 - [42] - Quote game just isnt popular or a game the majority of consumers want
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:26:00 - [43] - Quote no, people want a game EXACTLY like this, but the beta doesn't hold up to the hype CCP made it out to be. One of the things that made me say "I WANT" is the commander role, playing RTS in an FPS tickled the hell out of me. I was going to specialize that role and be commander like no other, but nope, not even any word about the class. Maps are too big, 16 vs 16 for this games idea is too small, vehicles either are useless or dominate an unprepared team, and CCP doesn't seem to want to relax our anxiety over this game at all. There's several threads stating how distraught people are by CCP and how they're handling the builds and whipes and yet no reply to even say, "It's okay peeps, this is only half our features compared to the real game." Oh, but they're more then willing to comment if we bump a recruitment thread. o.0
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:33:00 - [44] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: no, people want a game EXACTLY like this, but the beta doesn't hold up to the hype CCP made it out to be. One of the things that made me say "I WANT" is the commander role, playing RTS in an FPS tickled the hell out of me. I was going to specialize that role and be commander like no other, but nope, not even any word about the class. Maps are too big, 16 vs 16 for this games idea is too small, vehicles either are useless or dominate an unprepared team, and CCP doesn't seem to want to relax our anxiety over this game at all. There's several threads stating how distraught people are by CCP and how they're handling the builds and whipes and yet no reply to even say, "It's okay peeps, this is only half our features compared to the real game." Oh, but they're more then willing to comment if we bump a recruitment thread. o.0 This right here... I wanted the 'commander' role class too, but now I am waiting on it's successor the 'crusader" class. Still the maps are too big as they stand at the moment, and the player verse player numbers are too small for the maps. I made a suggestion about this all myself, but CCP seems to see, but not react. What upset me was that most of CCP was on vacation till recently. This late into the games development and they decide to take a vacation? That is something for sure. Something absurd.
Drunken Legend EV Doomheim 4	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:42:00 - [45] - Quote does anyone know if it is still on pace to come out this year or has it been pushed back? cuz what im playin is fun for the most part.... i havent had any unstable issues this build but the skill cap is ******* ridiculous cap + resets every build = call me when the game is released and have fun to those who stay... only thing people do anymore is run around as a blob or spam vehicles ive never played a game where that = strategy makes me cringe alil thinking about it. anyways ccp is shooting its self in the foot atm they stop all forum topics the second it looks like they are about to get funny with trolls and let the topics were ppl are pleading to them to fix this epic fail go unnoticed or at the very least they do nothing to reassure us that there is a light at the end of the tunnel hope is coming. just this is a known issue thank you.
PDIGGY22 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 189	Posted - 2012.10.20 20:05:00 - [46] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: no, people want a game EXACTLY like this, but the beta doesn't hold up to the hype CCP made it out to be. One of the things that made me say "I WANT" is the commander role, playing RTS in an FPS tickled the hell out of me. I was going to specialize that role and be commander like no other, but nope, not even any word about the class. Maps are too big, 16 vs 16 for this games idea is too small, vehicles either are useless or dominate an unprepared team, and CCP doesn't seem to want to relax our anxiety over this game at all. There's several threads stating how distraught people are by CCP and how they're handling the builds and whipes and yet no reply to even say, "It's okay peeps, this is only half our features compared to the real game." Oh, but they're more then willing to comment if we bump a recruitment thread. o.0 NOBODY wants a game that simply makes you better just because you play it more, nothing rewarding about killing someone and knowing it was all due to your equipment vs your opponents equipment
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.10.20 20:36:00 - [47] - Quote PDIGGY22 wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: no, people want a game EXACTLY like this, but the beta doesn't hold up to the hype CCP made it out to be. One of the things that made me say "I WANT" is the commander role, playing RTS in an FPS tickled the hell out of me. I was going to specialize that role and be commander like no other, but nope, not even any word about the class. Maps are too big, 16 vs 16 for this games idea is too small, vehicles either are useless or dominate an unprepared team, and CCP doesn't seem to want to relax our anxiety over this game at all. There's several threads stating how distraught people are by CCP and how they're handling the builds and whipes and yet no reply to even say, "It's okay peeps, this is only half our features compared to the real game." Oh, but they're more then willing to comment if we bump a recruitment thread. o.0 NOBODY wants a game that simply makes you better just because you play it more, nothing rewarding about killing someone and knowing it was all due to your equipment vs your opponents equipment What? Sorry but I disagree, no one wants another Call of Duty where the only thing you can do to advance is get more (pointless) OP weapons. If I put down 100 hours on this game and the person I'm facing just started, I better own his face, especially considering it costs ISK that gets taken from me on death to be better then him. And to push my point further, militia gear kills well enough of the majority of players. So what if you have to run from a heavy, you'd have to run from a tank too, no difference, both put up ISK to be where they're at. You're given enough starting SP to not be completely useless if you spec right. And if you find you did mess up, start over. A proper reward system is exactly what FPS is missing, but it's also missing RPG elements imo. Killzone 3 was nice, just wasn't much fun once you realized you should grab an LMG and crouch everytime you see an enemy for perfect aim.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 109	Posted - 2012.10.20 21:02:00 - [48] - Quote "NOBODY wants a game that simply makes you better just because you play it more" you're high. that's exactly what happens: you play more, you get better. the game rewards you with unlocking better gear, you play more, you get better. what you want is "montessori video gaming" = everyone comes in first because the devs do a bunch of handholding to protect you from the facts that you are finding out right now. you weren't as good as you thought you were and now this game proves it to you because better players own you and you blame the game. typical. Peace B
v3k3v Imperfects Negative-Feedback 24	Posted - 2012.10.20 21:04:00 - [49] - Quote This game is pretty amazing.. to have something to look forward to and work towards that helps you do better.. its great! Its a very rewarding game. Sort of like real life.. work hard, learn in school, make money, get house, car etc... depending on how hard and smart you work = reward. Good players dont want to play noobs, we just want to play more good players so there is a natural balance to it all. 162 on sisi so that has to be eve players... not dust players. Guess it depends on how many local channels or systems their are.. each has about 40 in it.. Find it hard to believe only 4 are in existence
PDIGGY22 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 189	Posted - 2012.10.20 21:40:00 - [50] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: "NOBODY wants a game that simply makes you better just because you play it more" you're high. that's exactly what happens: you play more, you get better. the game rewards you with unlocking better gear, you play more, you get better. what you want is "montessori video gaming" = everyone comes in first because the devs do a bunch of handholding to protect you from the facts that you are finding out right now. you weren't as good as you thought you were and now this game proves it to you because better players own you and you blame the game. typical. Peace B leveling systems are the biggest crutch in the history of video games, your a fool.

Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.10.20 21:47:00 - [51] - Quote PDIGGY22 wrote: BASSMEANT wrote: "NOBODY wants a game that simply makes you better just because you play it more" you're high. that's exactly what happens: you play more, you get better. the game rewards you with unlocking better gear, you play more, you get better. what you want is "montessori video gaming" = everyone comes in first because the devs do a bunch of handholding to protect you from the facts that you are finding out right now. you weren't as good as you thought you were and now this game proves it to you because better players own you and you blame the game. typical. Peace B leveling systems are the biggest crutch in the history of video games, your a fool. Ever try playing SOCOM, or Warhawk then? Those would easily fit your needs. Leveling systems though are not a "curtch", but is a helpful incentive to continue playing as it makes you feel rewarded.
PDIGGY22 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 189	Posted - 2012.10.20 21:53:00 - [52] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: PDIGGY22 wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: no, people want a game EXACTLY like this, but the beta doesn't hold up to the hype CCP made it out to be. One of the things that made me say "I WANT" is the commander role, playing RTS in an FPS tickled the hell out of me. I was going to specialize that role and be commander like no other, but nope, not even any word about the class. Maps are too big, 16 vs 16 for this games idea is too small, vehicles either are useless or dominate an unprepared team, and CCP doesn't seem to want to relax our anxiety over this game at all. There's several threads stating how distraught people are by CCP and how they're handling the builds and whipes and yet no reply to even say, "It's okay peeps, this is only half our features compared to the real game." Oh, but they're more then willing to comment if we bump a recruitment thread. o.0 NOBODY wants a game that simply makes you better just because you play it more, nothing rewarding about killing someone and knowing it was all due to your equipment vs your opponents equipment What? Sorry but I disagree, no one wants another Call of Duty where the only thing you can do to advance is get more (pointless) OP weapons. If I put down 100 hours on this game and the person I'm facing just started, I better own his face, especially considering it costs ISK that gets taken from me on death to be better then him. And to push my point further, militia gear kills well enough of the majority of players. So what if you have to run from a heavy, you'd have to run from a tank too, no difference, both put up ISK to be where they're at. You're given enough starting SP to not be completely useless if you spec right. And if you find you did mess up, start over. A proper reward system is exactly what FPS is missing, but it's also missing RPG elements imo. Killzone 3 was nice, just wasn't much fun once you realized you should grab an LMG and crouch everytime you see an enemy for perfect aim. No one wants another COD? maybe not you but black ops 2 is shaping up to be the highest selling game OF ALL TIME. This game won't put 1% of the numbers online that COD does. There is no incentive to play this game once you've missed out on the head start, newcomers will get destroyed to the point of never wanting to play it again. You need to have balance in a competitive play, and so far, there is not and only seems to get worse every build. Every single good thing about this game is still on PAPER and not one thing in the game play is truly impressive Hell the game still looks the same from the video FROM 2009
PDIGGY22 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 189	Posted - 2012.10.20 21:55:00 - [53] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: PDIGGY22 wrote: BASSMEANT wrote: "NOBODY wants a game that simply makes you better just because you play it more" you're high. that's exactly what happens: you play more, you get better. the game rewards you with unlocking better gear, you play more, you get better. what you want is "montessori video gaming" = everyone comes in first because the devs do a bunch of handholding to protect you from the facts that you are finding out right now. you weren't as good as you thought you were and now this game proves it to you because better players own you and you blame the game. typical. Peace B leveling systems are the biggest crutch in the history of video games, your a fool. Ever try playing SOCOM, or Warhawk then? Those would easily fit your needs. Leveling systems though are not a "curtch", but is a helpful incentive to continue playing as it makes you feel rewarded. SOCOM is dead, well I shouldnt say that more people on there then in this beta. I've already dominated and moved on from socom, only nerds need an incentive to shoot people in the face.
Brahma El Indio Bragian Order Amarr Empire 171	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:02:00 - [54] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Rorek IronBlood wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Brahma El Indio wrote: MAG in its current form, even in its beta days beats dust hands down for quality FPS gameplay, despite its own issues such as no clan battle... Now that's a total crock of $h!7. MAG was great,but now it's a free-for-all where anything goes,because there's no gate keepers to make sure that things aren't getting out of hand. All of the glitching,lag,and lack of players meaning that most of the maps are unavailable to play,make that game worse than getting paper cuts on your genitals. Dust has a long way to go,but I'd rather play this than MAG in it's current state any day. I actually went back to try out MAG last week, and borrowed my friends copy even; what I found was horrible. The game is nothing as it once was, and the players are worse then Warhawk and Warhawkers (which I am). Still the game is horrible now. Anyone who says MAG today is better is day dreaming of nostalgia. Because, let me tell you I have some fond memories of MAG, and it's now an ugly bloated, rotted, viscous, degenerated bile of crap. You know,I still have my copy,and occasionally I'm tempted to go back for a few matches,then I have to slap myself in the face and remember how absolutely horrible it was when I stopped playing around five months ago. I,and others have to realize that MAG is a mere hollowed out husk of a shell that it once was,and those glory days of that game are long gone,and are never coming back. LolMAGBashing! Yeah some valid points about glitching and player counts, but if you play Japanese prime time Friday/Saturday nights all game modes are played and all factions have the numbers to play many games of domination...... The point being, that when the games get going, despite the issues, the game play is better than the 1 vs 1 hide and seek on a huge map that dust is. The very first dust build I played, we the most fun. Can't remember what it was called, but it was the one when they let in the first round of public after Iceland....every build since then, while adding features, has had issues with game play that are never fixed....some are new, but some persistent issues never seem to improve build to build.... In that context, I find playing suppression/sabo on MAG to be more fun than Ambush and Acquisition/Dom/Esc/Int to be more fun than skirmish. Anyway, as I said in my other post, after November 20 PS2 launch, I'll probably stay away from dust...until its fixed properly, which is a 3-5 year exercise.....
Brahma El Indio Bragian Order Amarr Empire 171	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:09:00 - [55] - Quote slap26 wrote: Don't worry the game will survive as a PC port :) Personally I find this prophecy to be the ultimate certainty for Dust. It would be easier to develop, and be a much better product on the PC. CCP must have an agreement with Sony which voids exclusivity if by a certain date, average daily player counts are less than X, or by a certain date, revenue is less than X. I'm sure they would have something like this, so they can protect their investment and port it to the PC. Personally, I'm doubtful that the full scale potential of Dust will ever be realised on PS3.
Regis Mark V 91	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:31:00 - [56] - Quote slap26 wrote: Don't worry the game will survive as a PC port :) Good luck with Planetside 2 on PC
Regis Mark V 91	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:36:00 - [57] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: "NOBODY wants a game that simply makes you better just because you play it more" you're high. that's exactly what happens: you play more, you get better. the game rewards you with unlocking better gear, you play more, you get better. what you want is "montessori video gaming" = everyone comes in first because the devs do a bunch of handholding to protect you from the facts that you are finding out right now. you weren't as good as you thought you were and now this game proves it to you because better players own you and you blame the game. typical. Peace B That's the problem it's completely devoid of skill. It's whoever has the better gear wins not who is the better player.
PDIGGY22 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 189	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:40:00 - [58] - Quote Regis Mark V wrote: BASSMEANT wrote: "NOBODY wants a game that simply makes you better just because you play it more" you're high. that's exactly what happens: you play more, you get better. the game rewards you with unlocking better gear, you play more, you get better. what you want is "montessori video gaming" = everyone comes in first because the devs do a bunch of handholding to protect you from the facts that you are finding out right now. you weren't as good as you thought you were and now this game proves it to you because better players own you and you blame the game. typical. Peace B That's the problem it's completely devoid of skill. It's whoever has the better gear wins not who is the better player. yea, knowing the game/maps/modes ect is a huge enough advantage in every other game and too throw more advantages on top of that is crazy.
Regis Mark V 91	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:45:00 - [59] - Quote PDIGGY22 wrote: Regis Mark V wrote: BASSMEANT wrote: "NOBODY wants a game that simply makes you better just because you play it more" you're high. that's exactly what happens: you play more, you get better. the game rewards you with unlocking better gear, you play more, you get better. what you want is "montessori video gaming" = everyone comes in first because the devs do a bunch of handholding to protect you from the facts that you are finding out right now. you weren't as good as you thought you were and now this game proves it to you because better players own you and you blame the game. typical. Peace B That's the problem it's completely devoid of skill. It's whoever has the better gear wins not who is the better player. yea, knowing the game/maps/modes ect is a huge enough advantage in every other game and too throw more advantages on top of that is crazy. Yeah this game isn't you play more you get better. It's you play more get better gear which makes you better.
PDIGGY22 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 189	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:59:00 - [60] - Quote Regis Mark V wrote: PDIGGY22 wrote: Regis Mark V wrote: BASSMEANT wrote: "NOBODY wants a game that simply makes you better just because you play it more" you're high. that's exactly what happens: you play more, you get better. the game rewards you with unlocking better gear, you play more, you get better. what you want is "montessori video gaming" = everyone comes in first because the devs do a bunch of handholding to protect you from the facts that you are finding out right now. you weren't as good as you thought you were and now this game proves it to you because better players own you and you blame the game. typical. Peace B That's the problem it's completely devoid of skill. It's whoever has the better gear wins not who is the better player. yea, knowing the game/maps/modes ect is a huge enough advantage in every other game and too throw more advantages on top of that is crazy. Yeah this game isn't you play more you get better. It's you play more get better gear which makes you better. amazing how some havent figured that out yet, the sad part is they seemed determined to make it work



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