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Paladin Invictus Doomheim 6	Posted - 2012.10.13 18:30:00 - [1] - Quote Hey, I'm not sure if anyone ever mentioned this but I found a way for supply depots to instantly heal you. I usually play as a heavy with an HMG so this is very useful as I don't have to wait 5 minutes for my armor repairer module to bring me back up to full health. All you gotta do is go to a supply depot and switch to a fit out with a different dropsuit (heavy to assault) then immediately switch back to what you were using before. I tried this by switching from a heavy dropsuit to assault. When I switched to assault, my armor points were instantly restored to max, then I just switch back to the heavy dropsuit. This may not be a big issue for assault, logistics, and scouts with armor repairer, since it doesn't take a long time for their suits to get fully repaired. However, for heavy dropsuits and those not using armor repairer, this may prove very useful. I hope this information proves useful to you guys, and be nice because I'm new to this forum :)
Gcember Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 123	Posted - 2012.10.13 18:34:00 - [2] - Quote +1 Good post! It is small exploits like this that needs to be removed aswell, not just the major ones. Good job finding it out!
Prince Ombra Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2012.10.13 18:45:00 - [3] - Quote This is an exploit? I thought it was a feature, I've been doing this for like 2 builds now. In fact, I learned about it because someone mentioned it here.
Gcember Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 123	Posted - 2012.10.13 18:46:00 - [4] - Quote Prince Ombra wrote: This is an exploit? I thought it was a feature, I've been doing this for like 2 builds now. In fact, I learned about it because someone mentioned it here. I hope that this is an exploit?
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.10.13 18:48:00 - [5] - Quote Gcember wrote: ... It is small exploits like this that needs to be removed as well, not just the major ones. Good job finding it out! you want this removed? i see nothing wrong with it, its not been a problem yet at all
Reimus Klinsman BetaMax. 319	Posted - 2012.10.13 18:51:00 - [6] - Quote I heard that switching out of a suit thats damaged destroys it. I never did get to check if that is the case.
slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 462	Posted - 2012.10.13 18:51:00 - [7] - Quote It make supply depots more important of an objective
Ad ski IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 209	Posted - 2012.10.13 18:52:00 - [8] - Quote Why would you want this removed? If you can't kill the guy whilst he's switching out his fits then fair play to him. Should just make this game sticks and stones only with no chance of making your character any better.
CookieStein G I A N T 62	Posted - 2012.10.13 18:56:00 - [9] - Quote The better way to go about this is to have identical fits, like Heavy 1 and Heavy 2...that way you eliminate needed to switch back to the fit you are using, cuts the time in half.
Gcember Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 123	Posted - 2012.10.13 18:58:00 - [10] - Quote Ad ski wrote: Why would you want this removed? If you can't kill the guy whilst he's switching out his fits then fair play to him. Should just make this game sticks and stones only with no chance of making your character any better. I dont think that it should be an option to just switch out a fitting to get full health, but yeah we all have different opinions

Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.10.13 19:03:00 - [11] - Quote As helpful as this little exploit is, it is an exploit and should really be fixed.
Sir Meode Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 317	Posted - 2012.10.13 19:46:00 - [12] - Quote how is this an exploit? If you change from one suit to another it should give you full armor, its a new suit afterall
FORKyouiWIN EV 6	Posted - 2012.10.13 19:52:00 - [13] - Quote Its been like this for every build.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.13 19:55:00 - [14] - Quote I believe this is an exploit. My brother did the same thing to his heavy suit. When he got to the supply depot he was wearing an assault. Then an enemy merc jumped him and started shooting him. My brother switched suits to his heavy instantly healing him even while being shot at and killed the merc shooting him.
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.10.13 19:55:00 - [15] - Quote This makes the king of the hill all powerful. Come take the hill back so I don't have to chase you. And it has to be a different suit completely not just the same suit with different items.
Blunt Smkr Doomheim 62	Posted - 2012.10.13 19:55:00 - [16] - Quote lol i was in a match yesterday an i rushed this heavy chilling by a resupply an i took him to nathing but he was hiding behind the resupply so i couldnt finish him off. so i figured easy kill once he pokes his head out but nope he switches dropsuit an boom full health an wreacks me. i didnt care much it just cought me off guard cause i didnt think they could do that. havnt seen it happen again so idk if its an exploit plus i'll be rdy next time that **** happens lol
Zero Harpuia Maverick Conflict Solutions 421	Posted - 2012.10.13 20:18:00 - [17] - Quote Well, you actually have to swap to a DIFFERENT suit if your suit isn't a BPO, so a heavy can't have a duplicate build just to instaheal. Also, you don't lose the suit. I really see no way to remove this 'exploit' without removing the ability to switch suits. I personally see it as a way to make Supply Depots important enough for bored vehicles to not kill them for the 50.
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.10.13 20:23:00 - [18] - Quote If you take off a damaged suit and put a new suit on why should it be just as damaged if it's new? Makes sense. The supply depot should just be given a delay to it depending on what you are changing along with a repair option and call it a day.
skank hoe Bragian Order Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2012.10.13 20:31:00 - [19] - Quote I figured this out weeks ago. I didn't think it was an exploit. Im just changing clones out.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.10.13 20:41:00 - [20] - Quote While it wouldn't make much "sense" an easy way would be if you're in a heavy and lost half the hp, (so lets say 300ish), then when you switch to an assault, your health will be percentage based.. so if your heavy was 50% at 300, your assault is 50% with 75ish.

Vane KoS Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2012.10.13 20:59:00 - [21] - Quote Damage is to your suit so if you switch to a new suit its undamaged. Makes perfect sense to me. If you switch back to a new suit from the supply depot it also makes sense that its been fixed, if it was previously damaged. I don't see this can be an exploit.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2012.10.13 21:07:00 - [22] - Quote Paladin Invictus wrote: Hey, I'm not sure if anyone ever mentioned this but I found a way for supply depots to instantly heal you. I usually play as a heavy with an HMG so this is very useful as I don't have to wait 5 minutes for my armor repairer module to bring me back up to full health. All you gotta do is go to a supply depot and switch to a fit out with a different dropsuit (heavy to assault) then immediately switch back to what you were using before. I tried this by switching from a heavy dropsuit to assault. When I switched to assault, my armor points were instantly restored to max, then I just switch back to the heavy dropsuit. This may not be a big issue for assault, logistics, and scouts with armor repairer, since it doesn't take a long time for their suits to get fully repaired. However, for heavy dropsuits and those not using armor repairer, this may prove very useful. I hope this information proves useful to you guys, and be nice because I'm new to this forum :) This is not an exploit you tool lol how is switching from a damaged dropsuit to a new undamaged dropsuit an exploit? why don't you concentrate on finding REAL exploits instead of trying to get features of this game removed. I guarantee you don't moan when its YOU switching to a new suit, but when the enemy do it 'omg this is a bug/cheat/exploit and it needs to be removed/nerfed. 'The enemy militia AR is more powerful than my militia AR despite the fact I haven't skilled up all relevant skills to make my AR more powerful.....so nerf it'. P.s I wasn't being mean bro, just being sarcastic. Its Saturday, I have alcohol, and my paycheck......plus the wife and kids are away for the weekend, so im in giggity giggity good mood
Altina McAlterson TRUE TEA BAGGERS 362	Posted - 2012.10.13 21:18:00 - [23] - Quote Exploit or not is it really a big deal? Supply depots don't move, so it only gives a "bonus' to defenders and that is fitting with most people's concepts of war. The defenders always have a slight advantage in resources but lack mobility. I'm in a heavy suit, couple of people run up on my and I kill them, get full armor on the depot and wait for the next group. Everyone knows where I am, so the next time they bring 4 guys and I die. Seems perfectly reasonable to me, since defending a position removes your ability to retreat it all evens out.
Jack Boost Zarena Family 194	Posted - 2012.10.13 22:41:00 - [24] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: While it wouldn't make much "sense" an easy way would be if you're in a heavy and lost half the hp, (so lets say 300ish), then when you switch to an assault, your health will be percentage based.. so if your heavy was 50% at 300, your assault is 50% with 75ish. Not quite... Ppl make clone with lowesth armor hp and strongest rep... and switch back. Still exploit? Example: Lowest scout suit 70HP... you got 10% of armor before... change 7HP, now 2x5hp rep... 9 sec, 2 sec change ... full shield and full armor. 11-13 sec. all..
The Dragon Ascendant Celtic Anarchy 101	Posted - 2012.10.13 22:50:00 - [25] - Quote I've been using this for a couple of weeks now. Didn't think it was an exploit. I like to think of it as "a tactical requisition of resources."
Logi Bro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 836	Posted - 2012.10.13 23:17:00 - [26] - Quote They should just make the supply depot repair armor, it does it for tanks so why not for dropsuits?
D3aTH D3alER54 The Southern Legion 130	Posted - 2012.10.13 23:43:00 - [27] - Quote Prince Ombra wrote: This is an exploit? I thought it was a feature, I've been doing this for like 2 builds now. In fact, I learned about it because someone mentioned it here. Yeah same i've been doing since last build, good for a defense position. And if you switch the suit maybe it repairs the one that's damaged? Seems reasonable to me
Ieukoplast Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 169	Posted - 2012.10.13 23:47:00 - [28] - Quote I have been taking advantage of this for a little while now, not sure if it truly is a bug or not. Cause, at least in ambush, not every map has supply depots, and even if they do the chances of dieing while making the switch is still a risk.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 391	Posted - 2012.10.14 03:20:00 - [29] - Quote supply depots should just have a heal feature. it makes sense that a supply depot would have equipment for repairing dropsuits.
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.10.14 03:30:00 - [30] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: supply depots should just have a heal feature. it makes sense that a supply depot would have equipment for repairing dropsuits. This and if you change suits during battle it should be in the most obvious place that makes sense like the CRU and not the depots and it should be a clone change and not a suit change. Should count as a death,when you make the swap your old clone should be burning up on the ground while you spawn a new clone on top of it to tea bagg yourself

Prince Ombra Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2012.10.14 04:20:00 - [31] - Quote How do suit changes work lore-wise, anyway? Is your character actually getting naked on the battlefield and then struggling to get into their pants while bullets whiz overhead?
Andius Fidelitas Algintal Core Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2012.10.14 05:16:00 - [32] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Exploit or not is it really a big deal? Supply depots don't move, so it only gives a "bonus' to defenders and that is fitting with most people's concepts of war. The defenders always have a slight advantage in resources but lack mobility. I'm in a heavy suit, couple of people run up on my and I kill them, get full armor on the depot and wait for the next group. Everyone knows where I am, so the next time they bring 4 guys and I die. Seems perfectly reasonable to me, since defending a position removes your ability to retreat it all evens out. This. Besides, the character making the switch is vulnurable to sniper fire, especially if the sniper is a far away cliff, so one has to be fast with the buttons. Also.... don't like this tactic, crybabies, how is this for suggestion: Destroy the Supply Depot? They aren't invulnarable you know, you can negate that advantage for all. A couple of well placed rockets, and boom, no more supply depot. Adapt or die you babies.
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.10.14 05:26:00 - [33] - Quote Prince Ombra wrote: How do suit changes work lore-wise, anyway? Is your character actually getting naked on the battlefield and then struggling to get into their pants while bullets whiz overhead? Nanite construction, your suit is literally built around your clone.
Andius Fidelitas Algintal Core Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2012.10.14 05:51:00 - [34] - Quote Prince Ombra wrote: How do suit changes work lore-wise, anyway? Is your character actually getting naked on the battlefield and then struggling to get into their pants while bullets whiz overhead? Prince Ombra wrote: How do suit changes work lore-wise, anyway? Is your character actually getting naked on the battlefield and then struggling to get into their pants while bullets whiz overhead? For me, one way I can imagine what is occurring is similar to what occurs in Iron Man 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZm9fC7UsFc&feature=related The mechanisms to rapidly get out and in out of a suit of armor inside a supply depot (or outside in this case), is not something far fetched in the super advanced tech of the Eve universe, especially when mixed with nanite construction (speeding up the process of Iron Man by who knows how many folds). And from a lore stand point, it would make sense. Since we are the planet side equivalent of capsuleers, it is also natural that we get the best equipment as they also have, since we command the wealth and power that regular expendable mercenaries cannot afford to do. So it is natural that we can quickly switch from armor to armor at a moments whim.
Your MonkeyWrench Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 14	Posted - 2012.10.14 13:47:00 - [35] - Quote Full shield and armor on the new suit. 20 seconds delay if you want to switch back to the old suit. (It's getting repaired meanwhile) Comments?
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.10.14 13:55:00 - [36] - Quote just make it cost isk to swap a broken suit, like taking a repair in station in eve over going outside with an armor repper. you want quick fix you pay for it. i reported this months back in case it wasnt intended. it's prolly intended to be like this though.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 109	Posted - 2012.10.14 14:02:00 - [37] - Quote doesn't sound like a problem = just make it so that whatever build you switch from counts against your inventory. you keep switching like that, you lose that fitting. and this includes the modules, etc. if you're wearing it and switch to another kit at a depot, it should count as a loss of that fit. Peace B
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.10.14 14:06:00 - [38] - Quote maybe not all the modules just the broken suit? that's if this needs looking at at all.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 109	Posted - 2012.10.14 14:13:00 - [39] - Quote whatever was on that fit... if you switch it out to another then that fit goes bye bye and the numbers count. bring up a new version of the same fit with fresh data? that's one less of everything on that fit. switch enough and the you invalid the fit beause you delete all the modules or whatever. anything else is just handholding. oh and this shouldn't be at ALL possible in null just in the kiddie pool. Peace B
Eskel Bondfree DUST University Ivy League 76	Posted - 2012.10.14 14:30:00 - [40] - Quote Like most of you I think the feature is fine, but the depot should also repair your armor if you change to a different load out with the same suit type. The way it is now, I receive full armor repairs when switching from an assault fit to a logi fit, but I get nothing when switching from one assault fit to another. So clever people will just make similar assault/logi fittings that they can switch between during the heat of battle, eliminating the need to switch a second time (which would make you vulnerable to snipers and other attackers for much longer). But then, what's the point of having this nuisance in the first place if it is easily circumvented? So imo it should just be removed. On the other hand, making supply depots giant armor reppers for everybody around it would be hugely overpowered. Just imagine a bunch of heavies all hiding behind one corner of the depot, constantly being repped. Way too easy for the defenders, not a single logi would be required, and no advanced gear like repping nano hives either.

Tbone322 D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 124	Posted - 2012.10.14 14:48:00 - [41] - Quote Supply depots are fine the way they are, and I see nothing wrong with this "exploit." This feature is half the reason I even worry about taking and controlling them. I don't think you should lose equipment for swapping to a new suit. If you swap back to your old suit it should be fully repaired because the Supply depot repaired it for you while it was in there. If you don't like people doing it then take the supply depot from them. Right now supply depots are important tactical assets on the battlefield for people who know what they're doing, can we please keep it this way.
immortal ironhide SyNergy Gaming 80	Posted - 2012.10.14 14:51:00 - [42] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: if you switch it out to another then that fit goes bye bye and the numbers count. bring up a new version of the same fit with fresh data? that's one less of everything on that fit. switch enough and the you invalid the fit beause you delete all the modules or whatever. this def would be a terrible idea. so ill be going around the field in assault or hmg fit and a tank drops in on the enemy team, and i need my forge gun. i have 2 options: 1) Suicide or get killed costing me the suit and all modules on that suit 2) Go to the supply depot and switch suits at no penalty so i can deal with the tank. then when it is gone switch back so im not at a huge advantage and losing more isk when i die. make switching cost you the suit and modules then noone will switch to deal with vehicles. not sure how many people walk around all the time with their swarms launchers, but i figure most switch at a supply depot or after they get killed. still dont know why there isnt a supply depot on every ambush map tho. have lost so many suits and a ton of isk from having my forge gun out to deal with tanks and then cant switch.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 109	Posted - 2012.10.14 15:58:00 - [43] - Quote noooo... that's not what i'm saying: if you do what you're talking about, there's no cost. if you switch from broken suit to other fitting to fresh version of original fitting and accept original fresh version, then broken version counts as cost. THAT's fair Peace B
immortal ironhide SyNergy Gaming 80	Posted - 2012.10.14 16:40:00 - [44] - Quote So if i switch from damaged assault to forge to take out a tank then back to same assault fit it costs me?
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.10.14 16:51:00 - [45] - Quote BASSMEANT wrote: noooo... that's not what i'm saying: if you do what you're talking about, there's no cost. if you switch from broken suit to other fitting to fresh version of original fitting and accept original fresh version, then broken version counts as cost. THAT's fair Peace B doesnt supply depots already repair armor anyway? i dont see the problem here tbqh like we really need this game even slower, maybe the person that was shooting him should of finished his kill instead of letting him get to a supply depot and have time to swap fits for a fresh good one.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 810	Posted - 2012.10.14 18:34:00 - [46] - Quote immortal ironhide wrote: So if i switch from damaged assault to forge to take out a tank then back to same assault fit it costs me? Doesn't it already work like that? I always assumed it did, and I still switch out to deal with major threats like tanks. Switching for free is silly, it seems obvious to me that you should lose the suit you switch away from.
Marston EV Doomheim 75	Posted - 2012.10.14 18:47:00 - [47] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I believe this is an exploit. My brother did the same thing to his heavy suit. When he got to the supply depot he was wearing an assault. Then an enemy merc jumped him and started shooting him. My brother switched suits to his heavy instantly healing him even while being shot at and killed the merc shooting him. CCP addressed this "exploit" a long time ago back right around or after the E3 build..... you used to be able to go to a supplly depot and select the same fitting you were already wearing at the time. This would then give you a whole new suit with full health/ammo and it wouldn't cost you anything. Now though, you have to select a differn't suit and then go back and select the one you were wearing. It really isn't that big of a deal at all in my opinion. If your opponent has enough precense of mind to go ahead and do that during a fight, AND not get killed by you or whoever while hes doing that then....... i mean come on!! now i dont know if it costs you a suit to go ahead and switch it like that, but if it does then this "exploit" isn't really an exploit anymore. Its like the same as dying and saving yourself the 10 second respawn delay.
BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 109	Posted - 2012.10.15 14:05:00 - [48] - Quote as long as it costs him that broken rig and everything in it fine. if it's just swap and swap back with no loss... that's training wheels for kids Peace B ps who cares in hi sec? if someone does it in null, you just tk em and it balances out.
Nomed Deeps The Exemplars 91	Posted - 2012.10.15 14:21:00 - [49] - Quote Not sure how this could be fixed if this was determined an exploit as there's no way to properly transfer damage from one fit over to another different fit (such as changing from heavy to assault). Best possible solution would probably create a cool down/timer for switching out loadouts like one swtich a minute or so but that would just put further load into the game. At this point, I don't see too much of a problem how this currently. That may change in the future though.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.10.15 14:27:00 - [50] - Quote It's not an exploit as you change your fit. Thus changing for a brand new armor. Thing is, when you change, you're vulnerable and may get killed. Imo, this isnt an exploit at all. It's just logic. Told you people, Supply are essential.

Dzark Kill Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 115	Posted - 2012.10.15 15:29:00 - [51] - Quote i think this should be fixed in a manner that cost no/minimal extra overhead. IMO it should not be instantanious to change a fit. Even with the tech level it should take some time to despawn you old fit and spawn your new one. Something like "Please wait while your current Dropsuit is reprocessed T-10sec" Please wait while your new drop suit is Created T-10sec" 10 seconds may be a bit long (put here as an example) but it takes 10 seconds to create you drop suit inbetween each death. A few second delay when safe to change to a AV fit no issue. Few second delay to try and avoid a deathnot going to happen unless you can hide for long enough to switch. Nothing should be free and a free instant heal is OP'd IMO
Tmills6 Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2012.10.15 16:11:00 - [52] - Quote Blunt Smkr wrote: lol i was in a match yesterday an i rushed this heavy chilling by a resupply an i took him to nathing but he was hiding behind the resupply so i couldnt finish him off. so i figured easy kill once he pokes his head out but nope he switches dropsuit an boom full health an wreacks me. i didnt care much it just cought me off guard cause i didnt think they could do that. havnt seen it happen again so idk if its an exploit plus i'll be rdy next time that **** happens lol think that was me..... cause I remember doing exactly that and I've seen your name in game a lot.... did you have a blue with you aswell? I told a couple of my clan mates about this and we had a long discussion about whether or not we think it's an exploit and like most people ni this thread we think it is fine as is as we couldn't think of anything to fix it and if you let the guy change suits........


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