DUST Search - Friendly Fire

Crimson Moon V wrote:

Christ0pher Blair wrote:

ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote:

@ Christ0pher Blair

If you have ever played a competitively in any shooter you would understand why people like me will always have multiplier corp invites. I get it EVE is fun because you can play HOUSE.,but when the shooting starts,all it comes down to is who is the best at aiming and shooting

Understand ;)

Although I understand where you are coming from, my second point was to view Tking as a lore in a contract-based game.

Also, it's never as simple as who's the best at aiming and shooting unless you're talking about individual ranking.
If you're more trouble than your worth, then you will find less and less friends in the universe. However, that being said, the ball is purely in CCPs court on this issue. This is different than other FPS console games with FF on simply because every time you die, you could lose (real) money. If people can simply lose this due to a player on his own team, with no significant repercussions for the teammate, then few people are going to be happy about the issue. It has the potential to become a bad business decision on behalf of CCP.

Griefing is to much a part of the eve universe. I thought new eden was harsh? We need FF.

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BASSMEANT ZionTCD Legacy Rising 109	Posted - 2012.10.11 22:22:00 - [61] - Quote "Get real. I will have fun t-bagging you" uh... you prolly meant "i will have fun t-bagging your dead avatar" because the way you wrote it there... that... that don't look fun for nobody. least of all you. Peace B
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2012.10.11 22:51:00 - [62] - Quote I'm sure after reading this thread the Devs are really keen to put FF in.
ReGnUM STBslayer DEI Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 158	Posted - 2012.10.12 00:23:00 - [63] - Quote KDR> Everything including TKing
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.10.12 00:25:00 - [64] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: I'm sure after reading this thread the Devs are really keen to put FF in. wont be an issue hi sec wont have ff, low sec prolly null defo. unless they make it an issue ofc
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.10.12 00:38:00 - [65] - Quote The solution to boosting: friendly fire
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.10.12 00:42:00 - [66] - Quote ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: If Friendly Fire does get turned I will do the following: 1.If someone is hacking my Objective, I will TK them and hack it myself. 2.If someone is hacking my CRU, I will TK them and hack it myself 3. If someone is hacking my Supply unit, I will TK them and hack it myself. 4. If someone takes my kill, I will TK them and Teabag 5. If I get a OB I will sacrifice my whole team to get at-least one kill 6. If you're in my way, I will shoot through you to get the kill. 7. If your KDR/WP is low then I will TK you I like KILLs and WP, and if your in way, then your just like a enemy in my eyes http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73446 Imagine if this new bounty system were implemented in Dust. We could put bounties on teamkillers so they'd get farmed in every match.
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.10.12 00:46:00 - [67] - Quote finally getting round to it then only took em 10 years and i'll gladly releive you of your isk thanks. free isk is always good.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2012.10.12 00:50:00 - [68] - Quote Planetside 1 did it well also.. you were allowed x amount of team damage points within x amount of time and the team damage points would tic away slowly over time.. if you reached the threshold then your weapons would be locked until so much time passed.. one time i was driving a sorta LAV and my gunner insulted my driving so i TKed him but was still under the threshold and drove on while his corps lay there.. also it trained ppl to be curteous of a wounded friendly trying to fall back and not block him like a buncha hores.. because you could TK them if they would not back up so you could fall back, something that in this game is real annoying players blocking someone who is wounded instead of backpeddeling out of his way so he can recover
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.10.12 00:51:00 - [69] - Quote wont work because people can have multiple accounts and multiple toons. they will just rotate constantly to watever ccp set the balance to. and your right about the blocking, even worse this build where you can actually hitbox bump people into places they dont want to be.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2012.10.12 00:55:00 - [70] - Quote Cpl Quartz wrote: wont work because people can have multiple accounts and multiple toons. they will just rotate constantly to watever ccp set the balance to. u could have 2 alts in planetside.. doesnt mean ppl are extremely anxious to play an alt that's not as leveled up you're right but it's still a deterent tho.. just like putting that club thing on your steering wheel won't exactly stop a dedicated thief but it's still a deterent if your corp mates are worth are crap they should yeild to a wounded corpie

Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.10.12 00:58:00 - [71] - Quote does it matter if the alt is leveled up if its used for greifing? and ps had quite a bad tk deterent. tank runs you over and if it was bugged bad enough it would lock you out when it was the other player greifing
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2012.10.12 01:00:00 - [72] - Quote Cpl Quartz wrote: does it matter if the alt is leveled up if its used for greifing? in planetside u could kill about 3-4 ppl until you reached the threshold and the average wait time was about 30 minutes to get unlocked.. so if he wants to kill 3-4 ppl every 30 minutes then i guess he will anyway... the reputation of a known TK is not an easy one.. i was one in star wars battlefront (DIRTY SANCHEZ and LORD CALVERT) and once the word gets out you are a TK it's not as easy as people think it is.. cuz you're basically a KOS to everyone red or blue..,
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.10.12 01:03:00 - [73] - Quote sry i edited post. i dont see what the issue is, only the people who want to see this game fail are wanting ff on in hi sec. dont get me wrong i'm in favor of ff on everywhere but i don't see a good way to police it so it doesnt cost ccp money in revenue. anyway they have better things to do with their time.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.10.12 01:03:00 - [74] - Quote Oh, and he'll find a way. He's very dedicated. I finished a match against Global Conflict, and there was a mail waiting for me. It was from Regnum. It said "lol 0-4" Pretty impressive he managed to kill me four times in a game where I kept having to go afk. Definitely worth bragging about.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2012.10.12 01:04:00 - [75] - Quote Cpl Quartz wrote: sry i edited post. is ok bro i forgive u
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2012.10.12 01:08:00 - [76] - Quote Cpl Quartz wrote: sry i edited post. i dont see what the issue is, only the people who want to see this game fail are wanting ff on in hi sec. i dont think there will be FF in high sec but i'm not sure.. it would be cool if there was but they should add a dropship run by CONCORD that lands and a bucnh of invincible NPCs unass the ship and kill the TKer, but he's allowed to try and suicide gank someone.. well reg does talk mad sht but he can kinda back it up.. tho i'm not the best gun game but as my name implies i'm usually drunk at the controls
TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2012.10.12 01:11:00 - [77] - Quote ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: If Friendly Fire does get turned I will do the following: 1.If someone is hacking my Objective, I will TK them and hack it myself. 2.If someone is hacking my CRU, I will TK them and hack it myself 3. If someone is hacking my Supply unit, I will TK them and hack it myself. 4. If someone takes my kill, I will TK them and Teabag 5. If I get a OB I will sacrifice my whole team to get at-least one kill 6. If you're in my way, I will shoot through you to get the kill. 7. If your KDR/WP is low then I will TK you I like KILLs and WP, and if your in way, then your just like a enemy in my eyes They should get negative points SP and WP. Multiple TK in purpose = kick out of the game.
Sobriety Denied Universal Allies Inc. 432	Posted - 2012.10.12 01:13:00 - [78] - Quote yea reg does talk mad sht but he does sorta back it up tho im not the best gun game, but as my name implies i am often drunk at the controls
Brahma El Indio Bragian Order Amarr Empire 171	Posted - 2012.10.12 01:14:00 - [79] - Quote Planet side system is good After a few tk, your weapons are locked for about a minute....if you do it again after that, the lockout period just increase and basically you wander around waiting to get killed.... Tk is counteproductive unless being an annoying scrub is your purpose. Tk a player who isnt doing the right thing, or for not being a team player, is a waste of bullets....coaching such people is the better option.... Tk glitchers is the only exception
Red Eye Laser Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 5	Posted - 2012.10.12 01:30:00 - [80] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: If Friendly Fire does get turned I will do the following: 1.If someone is hacking my Objective, I will TK them and hack it myself. 2.If someone is hacking my CRU, I will TK them and hack it myself 3. If someone is hacking my Supply unit, I will TK them and hack it myself. 4. If someone takes my kill, I will TK them and Teabag 5. If I get a OB I will sacrifice my whole team to get at-least one kill 6. If you're in my way, I will shoot through you to get the kill. 7. If your KDR/WP is low then I will TK you I like KILLs and WP, and if your in way, then your just like a enemy in my eyes http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73446 Imagine if this new bounty system were implemented in Dust. We could put bounties on teamkillers so they'd get farmed in every match. I'd collect the bounty on regnum any day :)

Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.10.12 01:33:00 - [81] - Quote Red Eye Laser wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: If Friendly Fire does get turned I will do the following: 1.If someone is hacking my Objective, I will TK them and hack it myself. 2.If someone is hacking my CRU, I will TK them and hack it myself 3. If someone is hacking my Supply unit, I will TK them and hack it myself. 4. If someone takes my kill, I will TK them and Teabag 5. If I get a OB I will sacrifice my whole team to get at-least one kill 6. If you're in my way, I will shoot through you to get the kill. 7. If your KDR/WP is low then I will TK you I like KILLs and WP, and if your in way, then your just like a enemy in my eyes http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73446 Imagine if this new bounty system were implemented in Dust. We could put bounties on teamkillers so they'd get farmed in every match. I'd collect the bounty on regnum any day :) guess who am i right?
Sparten 269 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 89	Posted - 2012.10.12 01:37:00 - [82] - Quote ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: If Friendly Fire does get turned I will do the following: 1.If someone is hacking my Objective, I will TK them and hack it myself. 2.If someone is hacking my CRU, I will TK them and hack it myself 3. If someone is hacking my Supply unit, I will TK them and hack it myself. 4. If someone takes my kill, I will TK them and Teabag 5. If I get a OB I will sacrifice my whole team to get at-least one kill 6. If you're in my way, I will shoot through you to get the kill. 7. If your KDR/WP is low then I will TK you I like KILLs and WP, and if your in way, then your just like a enemy in my eyes So what you ate basically saying is you are going to go up against the enemy and your team? Good luck with that.
Red Eye Laser Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 5	Posted - 2012.10.12 01:41:00 - [83] - Quote Cpl Quartz wrote: Red Eye Laser wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: If Friendly Fire does get turned I will do the following: 1.If someone is hacking my Objective, I will TK them and hack it myself. 2.If someone is hacking my CRU, I will TK them and hack it myself 3. If someone is hacking my Supply unit, I will TK them and hack it myself. 4. If someone takes my kill, I will TK them and Teabag 5. If I get a OB I will sacrifice my whole team to get at-least one kill 6. If you're in my way, I will shoot through you to get the kill. 7. If your KDR/WP is low then I will TK you I like KILLs and WP, and if your in way, then your just like a enemy in my eyes http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73446 Imagine if this new bounty system were implemented in Dust. We could put bounties on teamkillers so they'd get farmed in every match. I'd collect the bounty on regnum any day :) guess who am i right? .....no I think your wrong, I just owe regnum a few kills that's all :)
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.10.12 01:43:00 - [84] - Quote Brahma El Indio wrote: Planet side system is good After a few tk, your weapons are locked for about a minute....if you do it again after that, the lockout period just increase and basically you wander around waiting to get killed.... Tk is counteproductive unless being an annoying scrub is your purpose. Tk a player who isnt doing the right thing, or for not being a team player, is a waste of bullets....coaching such people is the better option.... Tk glitchers is the only exception coaching people? disc usually let braindead noobs in tribes know not to put the flag back on the stand where it is very easy to grab and what they were doing was detremental to the team. if they did it again for the points just tk em. if they ask why then you coached them. no time for people who can't think for themselves tbh. just because a developer gives you points to do something doesnt mean you should.
Christ0pher Blair Deep Space Republic 34	Posted - 2012.10.12 02:26:00 - [85] - Quote ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: @ Christ0pher Blair If you have ever played a competitively in any shooter you would understand why people like me will always have multiplier corp invites. I get it EVE is fun because you can play HOUSE.,but when the shooting starts,all it comes down to is who is the best at aiming and shooting Understand ;) Although I understand where you are coming from, my second point was to view Tking as a lore in a contract-based game. Also, it's never as simple as who's the best at aiming and shooting unless you're talking about individual ranking. If you're more trouble than your worth, then you will find less and less friends in the universe. However, that being said, the ball is purely in CCPs court on this issue. This is different than other FPS console games with FF on simply because every time you die, you could lose (real) money. If people can simply lose this due to a player on his own team, with no significant repercussions for the teammate, then few people are going to be happy about the issue. It has the potential to become a bad business decision on behalf of CCP.
Crimson Moon V Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 182	Posted - 2012.10.12 02:30:00 - [86] - Quote Christ0pher Blair wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: @ Christ0pher Blair If you have ever played a competitively in any shooter you would understand why people like me will always have multiplier corp invites. I get it EVE is fun because you can play HOUSE.,but when the shooting starts,all it comes down to is who is the best at aiming and shooting Understand ;) Although I understand where you are coming from, my second point was to view Tking as a lore in a contract-based game. Also, it's never as simple as who's the best at aiming and shooting unless you're talking about individual ranking. If you're more trouble than your worth, then you will find less and less friends in the universe. However, that being said, the ball is purely in CCPs court on this issue. This is different than other FPS console games with FF on simply because every time you die, you could lose (real) money. If people can simply lose this due to a player on his own team, with no significant repercussions for the teammate, then few people are going to be happy about the issue. It has the potential to become a bad business decision on behalf of CCP. Griefing is to much a part of the eve universe. I thought new eden was harsh? We need FF.
Cpl Quartz 127	Posted - 2012.10.12 02:39:00 - [87] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Christ0pher Blair wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: @ Christ0pher Blair If you have ever played a competitively in any shooter you would understand why people like me will always have multiplier corp invites. I get it EVE is fun because you can play HOUSE.,but when the shooting starts,all it comes down to is who is the best at aiming and shooting Understand ;) Although I understand where you are coming from, my second point was to view Tking as a lore in a contract-based game. Also, it's never as simple as who's the best at aiming and shooting unless you're talking about individual ranking. If you're more trouble than your worth, then you will find less and less friends in the universe. However, that being said, the ball is purely in CCPs court on this issue. This is different than other FPS console games with FF on simply because every time you die, you could lose (real) money. If people can simply lose this due to a player on his own team, with no significant repercussions for the teammate, then few people are going to be happy about the issue. It has the potential to become a bad business decision on behalf of CCP. Griefing is to much a part of the eve universe. I thought new eden was harsh? We need FF. at the expense of all else, yeah turn on FF everywhere. goto IRC and beg there they seem to listen and change quite a lot without any real thought so you might get lucky.
Christ0pher Blair Deep Space Republic 34	Posted - 2012.10.12 02:39:00 - [88] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Christ0pher Blair wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: @ Christ0pher Blair If you have ever played a competitively in any shooter you would understand why people like me will always have multiplier corp invites. I get it EVE is fun because you can play HOUSE.,but when the shooting starts,all it comes down to is who is the best at aiming and shooting Understand ;) Although I understand where you are coming from, my second point was to view Tking as a lore in a contract-based game. Also, it's never as simple as who's the best at aiming and shooting unless you're talking about individual ranking. If you're more trouble than your worth, then you will find less and less friends in the universe. However, that being said, the ball is purely in CCPs court on this issue. This is different than other FPS console games with FF on simply because every time you die, you could lose (real) money. If people can simply lose this due to a player on his own team, with no significant repercussions for the teammate, then few people are going to be happy about the issue. It has the potential to become a bad business decision on behalf of CCP. Griefing is to much a part of the eve universe. I thought new eden was harsh? We need FF. I don't disagree, we do need FF! However, the audience and frequency of deaths for Dust514 CCP wants to reach is completely different from EVE's.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.10.12 04:22:00 - [89] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Griefing is to much a part of the eve universe. I thought new eden was harsh? We need FF. Nullsec is harsh, the rest isn't so much, which is why most players are in the fairly safe empire areas. EVE has CONCORD and security status to restrict killing friendly targets. Dust needs something similar. This is the bit you don't seem to grasp. In EVE, if you want to play in relative safety and not worry about another player killing you, you can do that quite easily most of the time. Avoid warring corps, avoid lowsec, don't fly something someone might want to suicide-gank. The bottom line is that people can opt out of the backstabbing, the murder, the politics, the bubble camps, and just play a game about flying a space ship. In Dust, people need to be able to just play a game about shooting people with guns. Indulging your fantasy of making strangers on the Internet angry by shooting them in the back repeatedly isn't worth more than giving people who just want to play a good, fun FPS game what they're after.
Reout Karaal Doomheim 85	Posted - 2012.10.12 09:11:00 - [90] - Quote Solution to TK problem is easy, really. You TK above threshold -- you're booted from the squad and appear RED to every other player on the field. Or yellow, to make it extra easy for KOS people. The point is -- now you have no friends and everybody is free to kill you for positive WP until end of the match. You lose access to all red-zones and if you're in a corp contract you are not allowed to re-spawn. Combine this with negative WP for TK and we're done. Like to TK? Cool, now everybody is your enemy and godspeed to you, mr prick. Aaaand I am pretty sure some people will call it "the hard mode" and will try to have fun at it. It's OK, you can't save everybody.



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