DUST Search - Friendly Fire

Fivetimes Infinity wrote:

Once again, World of Tanks has an excellent system to emulate for this. If you damage/kill a friendly, you are fined ISK from your winnings and you have to compensate the victim monetarily as well. In effect, you get a big ISK fine at the end of the game, and the person you killed gets a portion of that fine added to their own wallet. If you inflict too much damage against your own team, you become designated as a team killer, and anyone on your own team is able to kill you as much as they want without repercussion. If you get designated as a team killer too much, you get suspended from the game temporarily. I think you can even be banned if you keep team killing.

The exception to this would be if the person you damage has joined a squad with you or is on your corp. People in your squad/corp can be shot/killed without penalty, the idea being that you're friends and the TK'ing is either in good fun, part of the plan, or if it is malicious, something you can avoid by leaving the squad/corp.

What's interesting is that, in WoT, the penalty for team damage/killing is actually fairly intelligent. That is, if you shoot a friendly one time, in close proximity to an enemy, the penalty is less than if you were to shoot a friendly repeatedly in an area where no enemies are. The system actually distinguishes between deliberate and accidental team killing, and gives harsher penalties for blatantly malicious team killing, while being a bit more lenient on one accidental hit from a missed shot.

I like the idea of people having to watch their fire, but as the OP demonstrates, if you simply turn FF on and wash your hands of the result it'd be the end of Dust. Having strong negatives for teamkilling in the Instant Battle "highsec" games we're currently playing would be a required step.

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ReGnUM STBslayer DEI Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 158	Posted - 2012.10.11 16:09:00 - [1] - Quote If Friendly Fire does get turned I will do the following: 1.If someone is hacking my Objective, I will TK them and hack it myself. 2.If someone is hacking my CRU, I will TK them and hack it myself 3. If someone is hacking my Supply unit, I will TK them and hack it myself. 4. If someone takes my kill, I will TK them and Teabag 5. If I get a OB I will sacrifice my whole team to get at-least one kill 6. If you're in my way, I will shoot through you to get the kill. 7. If your KDR/WP is low then I will TK you I like KILLs and WP, and if your in way, then your just like a enemy in my eyes
Sentient Archon Red Star. 690	Posted - 2012.10.11 16:14:00 - [2] - Quote ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: If Friendly Fire does get turned I will do the following: 1.If someone is hacking my Objective, I will TK them and hack it myself. 2.If someone is hacking my CRU, I will TK them and hack it myself 3. If someone is hacking my Supply unit, I will TK them and hack it myself. 4. If someone takes my kill, I will TK them and Teabag 5. If I get a OB I will sacrifice my whole team to get at-least one kill 6. If you're in my way, I will shoot through you to get the kill. I like KILLs and WP, and if your in way, then your just like a enemy in my eyes I like this! This will make my job easier if I am in the opposing team. There is nothing like the enemy killing itself!
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.10.11 16:15:00 - [3] - Quote FF will be awesome Just to TK ppl will be funny as ****
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1902	Posted - 2012.10.11 16:18:00 - [4] - Quote Hopefully we get a nice page to track all sorts of stats, such as amount of team kills, that way you'll be forced to take NPC contracts since no one will hire you ^_^
ReGnUM STBslayer DEI Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 158	Posted - 2012.10.11 16:21:00 - [5] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Hopefully we get a nice page to track all sorts of stats, such as amount of team kills, that way you'll be forced to take NPC contracts since no one will hire you ^_^ LOL as long as my KDR is high to CORPS won't care who I kill, Friendly or FOE
Beda Ardishapur Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2012.10.11 16:22:00 - [6] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Hopefully we get a nice page to track all sorts of stats, such as amount of team kills, that way you'll be forced to take NPC contracts since no one will hire you ^_^ One can only hope that there will be at least that much, maybe like in EVE if your SS is below cretin levels you cant go some places and your name is marked red. Similar restrictions or penalties will need to be put in place.
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.10.11 16:23:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Hopefully we get a nice page to track all sorts of stats, such as amount of team kills, that way you'll be forced to take NPC contracts since no one will hire you ^_^ API needs to show it. and my thoughts exactly.
Toyboi BetaMax. 17	Posted - 2012.10.11 16:24:00 - [8] - Quote the team killer will lose the amount of isk the dead team mates dropsuit is woth
Brahma El Indio Bragian Order Amarr Empire 171	Posted - 2012.10.11 16:26:00 - [9] - Quote Five tk then auto kick? Or disable weapons for five minutes?
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.10.11 16:28:00 - [10] - Quote Toyboi wrote: the team killer will lose the amount of isk the dead team mates dropsuit is woth No they wont They are not forced to pay anything

DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1902	Posted - 2012.10.11 16:29:00 - [11] - Quote ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Hopefully we get a nice page to track all sorts of stats, such as amount of team kills, that way you'll be forced to take NPC contracts since no one will hire you ^_^ LOL as long as my KDR is high to CORPS won't care who I kill, Friendly or FOE Keep dreaming kid. If you have a descent number of team kills, no one will hire you for anything more than cannon fodder.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2012.10.11 16:30:00 - [12] - Quote Can't wait for the TK massacres
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.10.11 16:32:00 - [13] - Quote Once again, World of Tanks has an excellent system to emulate for this. If you damage/kill a friendly, you are fined ISK from your winnings and you have to compensate the victim monetarily as well. In effect, you get a big ISK fine at the end of the game, and the person you killed gets a portion of that fine added to their own wallet. If you inflict too much damage against your own team, you become designated as a team killer, and anyone on your own team is able to kill you as much as they want without repercussion. If you get designated as a team killer too much, you get suspended from the game temporarily. I think you can even be banned if you keep team killing. The exception to this would be if the person you damage has joined a squad with you or is on your corp. People in your squad/corp can be shot/killed without penalty, the idea being that you're friends and the TK'ing is either in good fun, part of the plan, or if it is malicious, something you can avoid by leaving the squad/corp. What's interesting is that, in WoT, the penalty for team damage/killing is actually fairly intelligent. That is, if you shoot a friendly one time, in close proximity to an enemy, the penalty is less than if you were to shoot a friendly repeatedly in an area where no enemies are. The system actually distinguishes between deliberate and accidental team killing, and gives harsher penalties for blatantly malicious team killing, while being a bit more lenient on one accidental hit from a missed shot. I like the idea of people having to watch their fire, but as the OP demonstrates, if you simply turn FF on and wash your hands of the result it'd be the end of Dust. Having strong negatives for teamkilling in the Instant Battle "highsec" games we're currently playing would be a required step.
Ayures II Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 103	Posted - 2012.10.11 16:38:00 - [14] - Quote Shoot blues every day.
xjumpman23 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 262	Posted - 2012.10.11 16:40:00 - [15] - Quote MAG TK wars
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.10.11 16:40:00 - [16] - Quote Ayures II wrote: Shoot blues every day. I'd probably miss them as well
Ridgeway Semper Fi ROGUE SPADES 30	Posted - 2012.10.11 17:05:00 - [17] - Quote They won't do an ISK fine for team killing, because in EVE there is nothing to stop me from killing corpmates, or groupmates other than the fact that I don't do it. Remember that a big part of this game is espoinage and spying. Some of the most well known people in EVE are ones that destroyed entire corps and alliances. If you can do it in EVE you'll be able to do it in DUST. I can't wait to see all the whining and bitching and complaining once they flip the Friendly Fire switch. The only repercussion may be that you'll lose some Security Status if they have something like that. However, they don't track kills in EVE except on Killboards, there is no stats page for that kind of stuff and I don't think there will be in DUST. So ya'll can keep all the wishful thinking going. It's gonna be alot of TKing, and backstabbing in this game, so you might as well brace yourself for it. This ain't World of Tanks either so that penalty system isn't going to apply either.
Villore Isu Algintal Core Gallente Federation 115	Posted - 2012.10.11 17:06:00 - [18] - Quote ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: If Friendly Fire does get turned I will do the following: 1.If someone is hacking my Objective, I will TK them and hack it myself. 2.If someone is hacking my CRU, I will TK them and hack it myself 3. If someone is hacking my Supply unit, I will TK them and hack it myself. 4. If someone takes my kill, I will TK them and Teabag 5. If I get a OB I will sacrifice my whole team to get at-least one kill 6. If you're in my way, I will shoot through you to get the kill. 7. If your KDR/WP is low then I will TK you I like KILLs and WP, and if your in way, then your just like a enemy in my eyes If FF goes live, you will end up with negative warpoints, get booted after 30s, and no corporation will ever take you.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.11 17:07:00 - [19] - Quote Regnum, are you Bigboss Ugur in disguise?
Ridgeway Semper Fi ROGUE SPADES 30	Posted - 2012.10.11 17:14:00 - [20] - Quote I want to see where you read that Villore. Or you just hoping that is what happens?

Villore Isu Algintal Core Gallente Federation 115	Posted - 2012.10.11 17:15:00 - [21] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Wise words. Something like that sounds like a good way to have FF on in hisec, and not have it turn into what the OP described. A few tweaks here and there (such as the ability to boot TKers from matches after x amount of kills), but all in all it seems like a good system.
ReGnUM STBslayer DEI Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 158	Posted - 2012.10.11 17:24:00 - [22] - Quote Villore Isu wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: If Friendly Fire does get turned I will do the following: 1.If someone is hacking my Objective, I will TK them and hack it myself. 2.If someone is hacking my CRU, I will TK them and hack it myself 3. If someone is hacking my Supply unit, I will TK them and hack it myself. 4. If someone takes my kill, I will TK them and Teabag 5. If I get a OB I will sacrifice my whole team to get at-least one kill 6. If you're in my way, I will shoot through you to get the kill. 7. If your KDR/WP is low then I will TK you I like KILLs and WP, and if your in way, then your just like a enemy in my eyes If FF goes live, you will end up with negative warpoints, get booted after 30s, and no corporation will ever take you. Sorry bro, but corps look at the KDR and not the TK. I don't really care if my team win/losses, as long my KDR and WP are high
Villore Isu Algintal Core Gallente Federation 115	Posted - 2012.10.11 17:32:00 - [23] - Quote ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: Villore Isu wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: If Friendly Fire does get turned I will do the following: 1.If someone is hacking my Objective, I will TK them and hack it myself. 2.If someone is hacking my CRU, I will TK them and hack it myself 3. If someone is hacking my Supply unit, I will TK them and hack it myself. 4. If someone takes my kill, I will TK them and Teabag 5. If I get a OB I will sacrifice my whole team to get at-least one kill 6. If you're in my way, I will shoot through you to get the kill. 7. If your KDR/WP is low then I will TK you I like KILLs and WP, and if your in way, then your just like a enemy in my eyes If FF goes live, you will end up with negative warpoints, get booted after 30s, and no corporation will ever take you. Sorry bro, but corps look at the KDR and not the TK. I don't really care if my team win/losses, as long my KDR and WP are high You have clearly never played EVE, a history of awoxing (team killing) is something that'll get you on the 'do not hire this guy ever' list. Keep in mind, that unlike most FPS games, death means something in Dust, you lose money everytime you die, so TKing will cost you corp money, as well as the battle, and again, unlike most FPS games, the battles mean something too. So any corp worth anything will never hire a serial team killer. Feel free to slum it in the NPC corp hi-sec battles though
ReGnUM STBslayer DEI Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 158	Posted - 2012.10.11 17:43:00 - [24] - Quote Villore Isu wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: Villore Isu wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: If Friendly Fire does get turned I will do the following: 1.If someone is hacking my Objective, I will TK them and hack it myself. 2.If someone is hacking my CRU, I will TK them and hack it myself 3. If someone is hacking my Supply unit, I will TK them and hack it myself. 4. If someone takes my kill, I will TK them and Teabag 5. If I get a OB I will sacrifice my whole team to get at-least one kill 6. If you're in my way, I will shoot through you to get the kill. 7. If your KDR/WP is low then I will TK you I like KILLs and WP, and if your in way, then your just like a enemy in my eyes If FF goes live, you will end up with negative warpoints, get booted after 30s, and no corporation will ever take you. Sorry bro, but corps look at the KDR and not the TK. I don't really care if my team win/losses, as long my KDR and WP are high You have clearly never played EVE, a history of awoxing (team killing) is something that'll get you on the 'do not hire this guy ever' list. Keep in mind, that unlike most FPS games, death means something in Dust, you lose money everytime you die, so TKing will cost you corp money, as well as the battle, and again, unlike most FPS games, the battles mean something too. So any corp worth anything will never hire a serial team killer. Feel free to slum it in the NPC corp hi-sec battles though Trust me on this brahhhhhh, when it comes to FPS's clans only care about KDR. Anyways Im not gonna TK in a corp battle. Well not try to at least. Everything will be fine if the corp members do not do the following A. Get in my line of fire B. Attack large # of people when I have a OS
Christ0pher Blair Deep Space Republic 34	Posted - 2012.10.11 17:43:00 - [25] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Once again, World of Tanks has an excellent system to emulate for this. If you damage/kill a friendly, you are fined ISK from your winnings and you have to compensate the victim monetarily as well. In effect, you get a big ISK fine at the end of the game, and the person you killed gets a portion of that fine added to their own wallet. If you inflict too much damage against your own team, you become designated as a team killer, and anyone on your own team is able to kill you as much as they want without repercussion. If you get designated as a team killer too much, you get suspended from the game temporarily. I think you can even be banned if you keep team killing. The exception to this would be if the person you damage has joined a squad with you or is on your corp. People in your squad/corp can be shot/killed without penalty, the idea being that you're friends and the TK'ing is either in good fun, part of the plan, or if it is malicious, something you can avoid by leaving the squad/corp. What's interesting is that, in WoT, the penalty for team damage/killing is actually fairly intelligent. That is, if you shoot a friendly one time, in close proximity to an enemy, the penalty is less than if you were to shoot a friendly repeatedly in an area where no enemies are. The system actually distinguishes between deliberate and accidental team killing, and gives harsher penalties for blatantly malicious team killing, while being a bit more lenient on one accidental hit from a missed shot. I like the idea of people having to watch their fire, but as the OP demonstrates, if you simply turn FF on and wash your hands of the result it'd be the end of Dust. Having strong negatives for teamkilling in the Instant Battle "highsec" games we're currently playing would be a required step. More people should read this post. Even is a bit more different than dust, so some sandbox rules don't or can't apply. However, it should be a breach of contract for you to maliciously cause harm to the team and therefor its mission.
Christ0pher Blair Deep Space Republic 34	Posted - 2012.10.11 17:46:00 - [26] - Quote ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: Villore Isu wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: Villore Isu wrote: ReGnUM STBslayer DEI wrote: If Friendly Fire does get turned I will do the following: 1.If someone is hacking my Objective, I will TK them and hack it myself. 2.If someone is hacking my CRU, I will TK them and hack it myself 3. If someone is hacking my Supply unit, I will TK them and hack it myself. 4. If someone takes my kill, I will TK them and Teabag 5. If I get a OB I will sacrifice my whole team to get at-least one kill 6. If you're in my way, I will shoot through you to get the kill. 7. If your KDR/WP is low then I will TK you I like KILLs and WP, and if your in way, then your just like a enemy in my eyes If FF goes live, you will end up with negative warpoints, get booted after 30s, and no corporation will ever take you. Sorry bro, but corps look at the KDR and not the TK. I don't really care if my team win/losses, as long my KDR and WP are high You have clearly never played EVE, a history of awoxing (team killing) is something that'll get you on the 'do not hire this guy ever' list. Keep in mind, that unlike most FPS games, death means something in Dust, you lose money everytime you die, so TKing will cost you corp money, as well as the battle, and again, unlike most FPS games, the battles mean something too. So any corp worth anything will never hire a serial team killer. Feel free to slum it in the NPC corp hi-sec battles though Trust me on this brahhhhhh, when it comes to FPS's clans only care about KDR. Anyways Im not gonna TK in a corp battle. Well not try to at least. Everything will be fine if the corp members do not do the following A. Get in my line of fire B. Attack large # of people when I have a OS So basically you look out for your needs first, above all others (including the corps'). What that's saying to me is: he doesn't care so much about what we want him for, he just cares about himself = do not hire.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.10.11 17:51:00 - [27] - Quote Thank goodness for FF. Now I can execute all the idiots on my team before the enemy gets to.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2012.10.11 17:53:00 - [28] - Quote Super Cargo wrote: Thank goodness for FF. Now I can execute all the idiots on my team before the enemy gets to. Could be a good way to deny them warpoints for an OB.
ReGnUM STBslayer DEI Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 158	Posted - 2012.10.11 17:57:00 - [29] - Quote @ Christ0pher Blair If you have ever played a competitively in any shooter you would understand why people like me will always have multiplier corp invites. I get it EVE is fun because you can play HOUSE.,but when the shooting starts,all it comes down to is who is the best at aiming and shooting Understand ;)
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.10.11 18:06:00 - [30] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Super Cargo wrote: Thank goodness for FF. Now I can execute all the idiots on my team before the enemy gets to. Could be a good way to deny them warpoints for an OB. "I'm sorry I had to kill you, it's for the good of the team. You'll make up the ISK for that 100K dropsuit in no time!"



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