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Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:51:00 -
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just ran a milita scout and earned 1147 WP 4/6 K/D ratio
mass driver, sub, injector, dampener. was the only models i used and i racked up WP so no you people complaining just need to adapt. i did this with mimimum skills in that stuff bare bones level one and two. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:55:00 -
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LOL 4/6 |
843 pano
843 Boot Camp
200
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:57:00 -
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yep, try double dampeners... you become a ghost. Sneaky, sneaky letter grabbing ghost. |
Tyrius Madison
97
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:59:00 -
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WP > k/d.
but you knew that. |
LIEUTENANT JORDAN
BetaMax.
7
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:01:00 -
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Yeah players just need to adapt and change the way they use the scout. They cannot be used as assaults anymore. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:02:00 -
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LIEUTENANT JORDAN wrote:Yeah players just need to adapt and change the way they use the scout. They cannot be used as assaults anymore. He is telling people to adapt or die but he died more then he adapted. Fail logic.
It reminds of that scrub with the name adaptandkill, he would always go negative. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:04:00 -
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LIEUTENANT JORDAN wrote:Yeah players just need to adapt and change the way they use the scout. They cannot be used as assaults anymore. So you are saying is scout is no longer a killing class? Its support now. Thats funny. |
Tyrius Madison
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:06:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:LIEUTENANT JORDAN wrote:Yeah players just need to adapt and change the way they use the scout. They cannot be used as assaults anymore. He is telling people to adapt or die but he died more then he adapted. Fail logic. It reminds of that scrub with the name adaptandkill, he would always go negative.
well I never said that Scouts weren't at a noticeable disadvantage.
I was just saying that WP(however you get them, whether by killing a lot, or supporting) is more important than K/D. IMO. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:08:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:LIEUTENANT JORDAN wrote:Yeah players just need to adapt and change the way they use the scout. They cannot be used as assaults anymore. He is telling people to adapt or die but he died more then he adapted. Fail logic. It reminds of that scrub with the name adaptandkill, he would always go negative.
Yet his war points were well over 1100. He died more often than he killed, of course. But I bet he did his job better than everyone else and he probably killed expensive suits in the process. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:10:00 -
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Tyrius Madison wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:LIEUTENANT JORDAN wrote:Yeah players just need to adapt and change the way they use the scout. They cannot be used as assaults anymore. He is telling people to adapt or die but he died more then he adapted. Fail logic. It reminds of that scrub with the name adaptandkill, he would always go negative. well I never said that Scouts weren't at a noticeable disadvantage. I was just saying that WP(however you get them, whether by killing a lot, or supporting) is more important than K/D. IMO. If you are running around with a class that is made for killing playing as support then you are doing it wrong. Especially if you are going negative. I don't care how much wp you have.
Playing with the scout as support to try and claim it isn't useless is idiotic at the very least. |
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Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:11:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:LIEUTENANT JORDAN wrote:Yeah players just need to adapt and change the way they use the scout. They cannot be used as assaults anymore. He is telling people to adapt or die but he died more then he adapted. Fail logic. It reminds of that scrub with the name adaptandkill, he would always go negative.
50 WP from kills that 200 WP i got running 10/0 only gets you 500WP so techically translated i got 20/6
War points are greater than kills besides i suck with a mass driver if i could aim it would have been higher.
the point was not to show off, but to show with minimal effort a good build thats not CQC or sniper, could be made
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Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:12:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Tyrius Madison wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:LIEUTENANT JORDAN wrote:Yeah players just need to adapt and change the way they use the scout. They cannot be used as assaults anymore. He is telling people to adapt or die but he died more then he adapted. Fail logic. It reminds of that scrub with the name adaptandkill, he would always go negative. well I never said that Scouts weren't at a noticeable disadvantage. I was just saying that WP(however you get them, whether by killing a lot, or supporting) is more important than K/D. IMO. If you are running around with a class that is made for killing playing as support then you are doing it wrong. Especially if you are going negative. I don't care how much wp you have. Playing with the scout as support to try and claim it isn't useless is idiotic at the very least.
the scouts isnt a direct combat build its a recon suit |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:14:00 -
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Avenger 245 wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:LIEUTENANT JORDAN wrote:Yeah players just need to adapt and change the way they use the scout. They cannot be used as assaults anymore. He is telling people to adapt or die but he died more then he adapted. Fail logic. It reminds of that scrub with the name adaptandkill, he would always go negative. 50 WP from kills that 200 WP i got running 10/0 only gets you 500WP so techically translated i got 20/6 War points are greater than kills besides i suck with a mass driver if i could aim it would have been higher. the point was not to show off, but to show with minimal effort a good build thats not CQC or sniper, could be made 4/6=/=20/6
Are you seriously trying to translate WPs to your KDR to try and defend yourself. |
Jarre Jardox
Cool Story But It Needs More EVE
30
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:14:00 -
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Well unless he was in a squad using orders his kills only account for 200 wp so somewhere he must have adapted cus he got an additional 900 wp. Crimson u just have a different idea of wat success is. The op is just pointing out the scout suit is not useless as so many ppl have cried, however the use he has found is not as a killing machine. so u just have to decide on how u want to play the game. |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:15:00 -
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Avenger 245 wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:Tyrius Madison wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:LIEUTENANT JORDAN wrote:Yeah players just need to adapt and change the way they use the scout. They cannot be used as assaults anymore. He is telling people to adapt or die but he died more then he adapted. Fail logic. It reminds of that scrub with the name adaptandkill, he would always go negative. well I never said that Scouts weren't at a noticeable disadvantage. I was just saying that WP(however you get them, whether by killing a lot, or supporting) is more important than K/D. IMO. If you are running around with a class that is made for killing playing as support then you are doing it wrong. Especially if you are going negative. I don't care how much wp you have. Playing with the scout as support to try and claim it isn't useless is idiotic at the very least. the scouts isnt a direct combat build its a recon suit
This^^ However, it can be combat, it would just be a "sneak up behind you and nail you in the back of the head with a few bullets" combat suit. |
Tyrius Madison
97
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:17:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Tyrius Madison wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:LIEUTENANT JORDAN wrote:Yeah players just need to adapt and change the way they use the scout. They cannot be used as assaults anymore. He is telling people to adapt or die but he died more then he adapted. Fail logic. It reminds of that scrub with the name adaptandkill, he would always go negative. well I never said that Scouts weren't at a noticeable disadvantage. I was just saying that WP(however you get them, whether by killing a lot, or supporting) is more important than K/D. IMO. If you are running around with a class that is made for killing playing as support then you are doing it wrong. Playing with the scout as support to try and claim it isn't useless is idiotic at the very least.
eh, I guess. whatever.
I like playing a stealthy type. and I don't mind not getting a lot of kills, so long as I get my Warpoints and contribute to winning matches. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:18:00 -
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A scout with a smg=combat. A scout with a shotgun=combat. Scout with an AR=combat. More fail logic from scouts who go negative and try to justify it with wp and claiming recon. |
Tyrius Madison
97
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:20:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:A scout with a smg=combat. A scout with a shotgun=combat. Scout with an AR=combat. More fail logic from scouts who go negative and try to justify it with wp and claiming recon.
Logi with a shotgun = combat. logi with a mass driver = combat. logi with a AR = combat.
wtf is he doing repairing stuff, and using a sissy needle to revive people. hacking? pfffffft who cares.
I'll have to keep this in mind when I play my Logi. |
Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:21:00 -
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so the point of this is to show scouts arnt useless they can be usefull things so long as you dont treat them like prebuild combat suits. they are recon regardless of what you say they can be fitted for combat but they obviously has more uses in a support role as i proved above.
try scout with hack modules and kenitic catalysyer hack everything you can
try this mass driver and dampenr be all around like i was
try sensor booster and sniper go anti sniping
try didft fits you will get something that works so long as you dont expect them to match assaults, if you want a combat suit run assault |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:23:00 -
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Tyrius Madison wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:A scout with a smg=combat. A scout with a shotgun=combat. Scout with an AR=combat. More fail logic from scouts who go negative and try to justify it with wp and claiming recon. Logi with a shotgun = combat. logi with a mass driver = combat. logi with a AR = combat. wtf is he doing repairing stuff, and using a sissy needle to revive people. hacking? pfffffft who cares. I'll have to keep this in mind when I play my Logi. Logis don't have to go 4/6. I have seen plenty of logis pull 1.0-2.0 kdrs. People make excuses becuase they are bad.
If you spend most of your time looking at the respawn screen I dought your precious wp and recon skills are really helping the team that much. |
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Tyrius Madison
97
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:25:00 -
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just to be clear. Everyone is Assault. dropsuit and equipment doesn't really matter at all.
gotcha. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:26:00 -
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I use scout to get from A to B fast
Its not for combat really since its so weak |
Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:31:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Tyrius Madison wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:A scout with a smg=combat. A scout with a shotgun=combat. Scout with an AR=combat. More fail logic from scouts who go negative and try to justify it with wp and claiming recon. Logi with a shotgun = combat. logi with a mass driver = combat. logi with a AR = combat. wtf is he doing repairing stuff, and using a sissy needle to revive people. hacking? pfffffft who cares. I'll have to keep this in mind when I play my Logi. Logis don't have to go 4/6. I have seen plenty of logis pull 1.0-2.0 kdrs. People make excuses becuase they are bad. If you spend most of your time looking at the respawn screen I dought your precious wp and recon skills are really helping the team that much.
i was out on that map getting assist and hacking and provideing supressive fire, i only engaged a few targets one on one and i did win those. besides i more than capable of going 11/1 in my nomral assualt build, most of my skills are not dedicate to this kinda stuff this was proof of concept and it did work if i had better skill and more practice with a mass driver it would have been much higher.
i had level one skill in all of that stuff and was using basic or milita varitions its not like i built a combat build 4/6 is pretty good considering i never used a mass driver before. that 1100 WP is whats important thats what whens battles not k/d |
Tyrius Madison
97
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:31:00 -
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So if everything is Combat and nothing else, then the Scout suit serves no purpose and should not be in the game.
same with the Logi. as well as all the modules that are not damage-based.
we should all be Assaults or Heavies.
I understand all the griping now.
Dust is trying to be something that the gripers don't want it to be. Its trying to be a MMO/FPS hybrid, and people just want a regular ol' standard FPS. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:32:00 -
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Wow, this thread is an Orbital facepalm |
Tyrius Madison
97
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:34:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Tyrius Madison wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:A scout with a smg=combat. A scout with a shotgun=combat. Scout with an AR=combat. More fail logic from scouts who go negative and try to justify it with wp and claiming recon. Logi with a shotgun = combat. logi with a mass driver = combat. logi with a AR = combat. wtf is he doing repairing stuff, and using a sissy needle to revive people. hacking? pfffffft who cares. I'll have to keep this in mind when I play my Logi. Logis don't have to go 4/6. I have seen plenty of logis pull 1.0-2.0 kdrs. People make excuses becuase they are bad. If you spend most of your time looking at the respawn screen I dought your precious wp and recon skills are really helping the team that much.
in this game, WP seem to matter more than K/D. thats why you get WP for things other than K/D as well. and that is why you can have some "bad player" with a negative K/D among the top of post-game leaderboards from doing support things.
However, I understand that people will always be obsessed with K/D and will always believe that it is the only thing that matters in any game. and that's just how it will always be.
eh. whatever, we'll have our opinions and they'll always differ. Nothing to do about it.
K/D is important, but it isn't the only thing. people need to get used to that I guess. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:36:00 -
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Youare right. Scout is combat regardless. But it is mostly indirect combat such as recon, hacking (though logi is specialized for that), relaying orders, etc. There is very few direct combat it does well. The only best case I see is a hit and run with either a smg or the nova knife (which I am specialized in). The ninja knife scout can probably only kill a lone wolf lost in a complex at best while being a pest to the others. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:37:00 -
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Avenger 245 wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:Tyrius Madison wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:A scout with a smg=combat. A scout with a shotgun=combat. Scout with an AR=combat. More fail logic from scouts who go negative and try to justify it with wp and claiming recon. Logi with a shotgun = combat. logi with a mass driver = combat. logi with a AR = combat. wtf is he doing repairing stuff, and using a sissy needle to revive people. hacking? pfffffft who cares. I'll have to keep this in mind when I play my Logi. Logis don't have to go 4/6. I have seen plenty of logis pull 1.0-2.0 kdrs. People make excuses becuase they are bad. If you spend most of your time looking at the respawn screen I dought your precious wp and recon skills are really helping the team that much. i was out on that map getting assist and hacking and provideing supressive fire, i only engaged a few targets one on one and i did win those. besides i more than capable of going 11/1 in my nomral assualt build, most of my skills are not dedicate to this kinda stuff this was proof of concept and it did work if i had better skill and more practice with a mass driver it would have been much higher. i had level one skill in all of that stuff and was using basic or milita varitions its not like i built a combat build 4/6 is pretty good considering i never used a mass driver before. that 1100 WP is whats important thats what whens battles not k/d 4/6 doesn't not win battles. Try and win a match with your whole team going 4/6 and you will see how useless all those WPs are. |
Tyrius Madison
97
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:38:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Youare right. Scout is combat regardless. But it is mostly indirect combat such as recon, hacking (though logi is specialized for that), relaying orders, etc. There is very few direct combat it does well. The only best case I see is a hit and with either a smg or the nova knife (which I am specialized in). The ninja knife scout can probably only kill a lone wolf lost in a complex at best while being a pest to the others.
this is what people have been saying, but alas, it always falls on deaf ears.
yes, Scout is combat, but it is a different style of combat from a suit like Assault. its not a in-your-face run-and-gun style of combat. and yes, it is partially support.
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Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:40:00 -
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K/d Might not be everything but 4/6 is pretty effing awful. That's like a late join where your team is being redlined score. |
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