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Tyrius Madison
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:59:00 -
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WP > k/d.
but you knew that. |
Tyrius Madison
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:06:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:LIEUTENANT JORDAN wrote:Yeah players just need to adapt and change the way they use the scout. They cannot be used as assaults anymore. He is telling people to adapt or die but he died more then he adapted. Fail logic. It reminds of that scrub with the name adaptandkill, he would always go negative. 
well I never said that Scouts weren't at a noticeable disadvantage.
I was just saying that WP(however you get them, whether by killing a lot, or supporting) is more important than K/D. IMO. |
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:17:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Tyrius Madison wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:LIEUTENANT JORDAN wrote:Yeah players just need to adapt and change the way they use the scout. They cannot be used as assaults anymore. He is telling people to adapt or die but he died more then he adapted. Fail logic. It reminds of that scrub with the name adaptandkill, he would always go negative. well I never said that Scouts weren't at a noticeable disadvantage. I was just saying that WP(however you get them, whether by killing a lot, or supporting) is more important than K/D. IMO. If you are running around with a class that is made for killing playing as support then you are doing it wrong.  Playing with the scout as support to try and claim it isn't useless is idiotic at the very least.
eh, I guess. whatever.
I like playing a stealthy type. and I don't mind not getting a lot of kills, so long as I get my Warpoints and contribute to winning matches. |
Tyrius Madison
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:20:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:A scout with a smg=combat. A scout with a shotgun=combat. Scout with an AR=combat. More fail logic from scouts who go negative and try to justify it with wp and claiming recon.
Logi with a shotgun = combat. logi with a mass driver = combat. logi with a AR = combat.
wtf is he doing repairing stuff, and using a sissy needle to revive people. hacking? pfffffft who cares.
I'll have to keep this in mind when I play my Logi. |
Tyrius Madison
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:25:00 -
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just to be clear. Everyone is Assault. dropsuit and equipment doesn't really matter at all.
gotcha. |
Tyrius Madison
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:31:00 -
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So if everything is Combat and nothing else, then the Scout suit serves no purpose and should not be in the game.
same with the Logi. as well as all the modules that are not damage-based.
we should all be Assaults or Heavies.
I understand all the griping now.
Dust is trying to be something that the gripers don't want it to be. Its trying to be a MMO/FPS hybrid, and people just want a regular ol' standard FPS. |
Tyrius Madison
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:34:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Tyrius Madison wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:A scout with a smg=combat. A scout with a shotgun=combat. Scout with an AR=combat. More fail logic from scouts who go negative and try to justify it with wp and claiming recon. Logi with a shotgun = combat. logi with a mass driver = combat. logi with a AR = combat. wtf is he doing repairing stuff, and using a sissy needle to revive people. hacking? pfffffft who cares. I'll have to keep this in mind when I play my Logi. Logis don't have to go 4/6. I have seen plenty of logis pull 1.0-2.0 kdrs. People make excuses becuase they are bad. If you spend most of your time looking at the respawn screen I dought your precious wp and recon skills are really helping the team that much.
in this game, WP seem to matter more than K/D. thats why you get WP for things other than K/D as well. and that is why you can have some "bad player" with a negative K/D among the top of post-game leaderboards from doing support things.
However, I understand that people will always be obsessed with K/D and will always believe that it is the only thing that matters in any game. and that's just how it will always be.
eh. whatever, we'll have our opinions and they'll always differ. Nothing to do about it.
K/D is important, but it isn't the only thing. people need to get used to that I guess. |
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:38:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Youare right. Scout is combat regardless. But it is mostly indirect combat such as recon, hacking (though logi is specialized for that), relaying orders, etc. There is very few direct combat it does well. The only best case I see is a hit and with either a smg or the nova knife (which I am specialized in). The ninja knife scout can probably only kill a lone wolf lost in a complex at best while being a pest to the others.
this is what people have been saying, but alas, it always falls on deaf ears.
yes, Scout is combat, but it is a different style of combat from a suit like Assault. its not a in-your-face run-and-gun style of combat. and yes, it is partially support.
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Tyrius Madison
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:46:00 -
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Ignatius Crumwald wrote:K/d Might not be everything but 4/6 is pretty effing awful.
That's like a late join where your team is being redlined score.
i was going to say something sarcastic and witty here, but whats the point.
I give up on the arguing. I enjoy the game as it is, though realizing that it has issues that need to be corrected. and by issues,
I've never cared about my K/D, always cared more about my WP. perhaps that is a fault of mine for being reckless in matches cause I don't care if I die alot, maybe its not.
if that makes me the worst player in the game, then so be it.
it is what it is, all you super elite players can insult to high heaven. so long as we are all having fun playing, thats all that really matters, right? |
Tyrius Madison
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:50:00 -
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Ignatius Crumwald wrote:Tyrius Madison wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Youare right. Scout is combat regardless. But it is mostly indirect combat such as recon, hacking (though logi is specialized for that), relaying orders, etc. There is very few direct combat it does well. The only best case I see is a hit and with either a smg or the nova knife (which I am specialized in). The ninja knife scout can probably only kill a lone wolf lost in a complex at best while being a pest to the others. this is what people have been saying, but alas, it always falls on deaf ears. yes, Scout is combat, but it is a different style of combat from a suit like Assault. its not a in-your-face run-and-gun style of combat. and yes, it is partially support. It's a broken because the strafe was dialed down to sub-snail "please someone shoot me in the face" speed style of combat. The scout isn't useless, not for the other team.
last comment.
I disagree with your hyperbole. It doesn't really feel slow to me. maybe it is because I played Logi last build exclusively, and did not play the Scout till this build.
ether way, I hope they raise the strafe speed to the ceiling in the next build. I hope they raise it so much that nobody bothers to use anything but the Scout Suit. I'm tired or seeing the arguing and bickering over it. I hope CCP does whatever it needs to to make you guys specifically, personally satisfied.
and with that said. you guys win. I'm going to start subscribing to the K/D is Everything, nothing else matters mentality.
huzzah. |
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