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Pwny Rainbow
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Posted - 2012.10.07 15:36:00 -
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Anyone else think we're making WAY too little ISK this build? The most I ever made in 1 game this build was about 50,000. Last build, I made about 200,00 tops- and this is before costs. Usually, if I use any fitting besides starter fits more than 3 times in a battle, I'm losing money no matter how cheap my gear is.
Is there really any reason we're making so little money compared to last build? I don't think that eve players would pay us anywhere near this little when the game launches. |
jenza aranda
BetaMax.
1005
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Posted - 2012.10.07 15:39:00 -
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yes money has dropped but the price of stuff has also dropped. i have more ISK then i can spend :P allready on 6 million! and i love spashing my isk on dropship practice XD |
Pwny Rainbow
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Posted - 2012.10.07 15:43:00 -
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Prices haven't dropped. It's especially worse now that we have to start without any dropsuit skills- paying over 400,000 to get any non-milita (not counting free stuff) dropsuit isn't exactly great. |
Makuta Miserix
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2012.10.07 15:50:00 -
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Yeah, I'm having trouble getting any good gear.
Trying to keep my ISK above 200,000, really they should lower the price of a lot of the Skill Books. Because as is, only really hard-core players will get these skills early on. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.10.07 15:58:00 -
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You're supposed to have trouble affording good stuff. That's the whole idea behind there being mercenary contracts and corp vs. corp stuff. You can't make enough money just doing Instant Battle games, so you take contracts in the hope of getting a big payout. If you made enough money just doing Skirmish games all day, there'd be no big incentive to take a lucrative contract and win.
So, yeah, good. It's good that you're making too little. It's good that you want to make more money. That's exactly how doing Instant Battles exclusively should feel. |
Pwny Rainbow
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:03:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:You're supposed to have trouble affording good stuff. That's the whole idea behind there being mercenary contracts and corp vs. corp stuff. You can't make enough money just doing Instant Battle games, so you take contracts in the hope of getting a big payout. If you made enough money just doing Skirmish games all day, there'd be no big incentive to take a lucrative contract and win.
So, yeah, good. It's good that you're making too little. It's good that you want to make more money. That's exactly how doing Instant Battles exclusively should feel.
Instant battles are the only option right now. And I'm not just having trouble affording the really good stuff, I'm having trouble affording the skills to get the non-militia stuff. Only non militia I have right now are basic shield extenders/rechargers, and basic laser rifles. I have plenty of SP to improve the cheap things, but I can't afford to buy any actual skills more than once every 10 or so battles- and that's just the cheap skills like sharpshooter. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:11:00 -
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I don't know what to tell you if you can't even afford skills but once every 10 games. I've never been in a situation like that myself. I guess this is something CCP would need to look at internally. It could be that the price of militia gear is a bit too high. I don't know. |
Tailss Prower
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:13:00 -
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me and my gunner have hit over 150k before I had 199k and he had around 260k so it can happen hell I normally get around 80-100k and all I do is fly a dropship while he kills them |
Seamie Schmoove
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:19:00 -
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Yeah I agree. It should take any player a serious effort to get to the good stuff. I imagine when
we go live the grind will be even steeper. Sp wise and Isk. All I can say is thank god for those crazy
Russians because those dudes bankrolled my stockpile...have bought weapons, modules, dropsuits and
skillbooks for future use when I get skilled up. It's a pity the hours they were on for though
because everyone could've benefitted from playing against them due to the high level of their
gear. Made like 850k in a single match.
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Ascendancy EVE
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:21:00 -
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I think the isk is pretty good right now, takes a couple games to get a good vehicle and if you use a good gun/suit/fitting you risk losing a lot of isk which is how it should be. |
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Timothy Reaper
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:24:00 -
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I've been making plenty of money. Even had enough to buy some dropships to play with. |
WT Sherman
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:29:00 -
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Making isk in EVE is directly related to the amount of sp you have, more sp greater ability to make isk. Main ways to make isk are usually ratting or running missions and mining for new players, which would translate into instant battles in DUST. FW (corp battles) are the next step up and merc contracts won't come in till we reach 00 (six months to a year after launch).
Most noobs will spend a lot of time in instant battles and they aren't making enough isk to upgrade their mods and be able to increase their isk. All it takes is going negative once or twice and you are losing more isk than you are making. If you include the cost of skills then you are stuck wearing militia gear all the time and the noob doesn't see any progress and ends up quitting the game.
I'm only an o.k. player, mostly sniper with a k/d of only 1.75 after a couple very bad matches. I admit that I don't have much of a rl and spend way too much time playing DUST when I'm not at work. Hard cap and diminishing returns and the rate at which we are rewarded sp have hurt me this build. I make 3 to 5 k sp a match and 20 to 30 k isk. I am running the standard sniper rifle, av grenades, and standard dropuplinks and can barely afford them. I need to train sniper 4 at about 175k sp and will take weeks at 3k sp a match. |
Kaeralli Sturmovos
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:29:00 -
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i think their tinkering with the prices and the exchange we recieve with our ingame activities with the new features soon to come into play, shouldnt be a worry too soon i suspect you may end up having enough money to max out your fittings for a long while.  |
Pwny Rainbow
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:34:00 -
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Kaeralli Sturmovos wrote:i think their tinkering with the prices and the exchange we recieve with our ingame activities with the new features soon to come into play, shouldnt be a worry too soon i suspect you may end up having enough money to max out your fittings for a long while.
I hope it'll be at least to the same point it was last build |
SGT Garrisson
On The Brink
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:41:00 -
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thought id provide some information hope this helps
i recorded all the info from my matches on thursday played 10 in total alternating between ambush and skirmish leaving out SP and K/D as its irrellivent to the subject isk is rounded off
type -- ISK -- WP -- win/loss -- squad command ( Y/N) -- ISK LOSS
1 skirmish -- 85.000, -- 686 -- W -- N -- 15.750
2 ambush -- 222.000 -- 961 -- W -- N -- 15.750
3 skirmish -- 58.000 -- 825 -- L -- N -- 141.750
4 ambush -- 82.000 -- 680 -- W -- N -- 31.500
5 skirmish -- 57.000 -- 850 -- W -- N -- 78.750
6 ambush -- 116.000 -- 1240 -- W -- Y-- 78.750
7 skirmish -- 15.000 -- 157 -- L half match -- N -- 126.000
8 ambush -- 42.000 -- 275 --W -- Y-- 63.000
10 ambush -- 58.000 -- 300 -- L -- N -- 78.750
total isk gain 735.000 --- total isk lost 661.500
not sure how the isk is worked out weather from amount of WP or from types of enemy killed(suit)
hope someone finds this infomation of use |
Pwny Rainbow
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:44:00 -
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SGT Garrisson wrote:thought id provide some information hope this helps
i recorded all the info from my matches on thursday played 10 in total alternating between ambush and skirmish leaving out SP and K/D as its irrellivent to the subject isk is rounded off
type -- ISK -- WP -- win/loss -- squad command ( Y/N)
1 skirmish -- 85.000, -- 686 -- W -- N
2 ambush -- 222.000 -- 961 -- W -- N
3 skirmish -- 58.000 -- 825 -- L -- N
4 ambush -- 82.000 -- 680 -- W -- N
5 skirmish -- 57.000 -- 850 -- W -- N
6 ambush -- 116.000 -- 1240 -- W -- Y
7 skirmish -- 15.000 -- 157 -- L half match -- N
8 ambush -- 42.000 -- 275 --W -- Y
10 ambush -- 58.000 -- 300 -- L -- N
not sure how the isk is worked out weather from amount of WP or from types of enemy killed(suit)
hope someone finds this infomation of use
I think I'll record mine later, too. Also try recording ISK spent on the battle. |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:47:00 -
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I somewhat like the new ISK rewards, just like the SP cap, people can't become uber rich by playing a couple of games in full proto(If I remember rightly, the more expensive your gear, the more ISK rewards) but having said that, considering it still costs about a million for tanks, they should get a moderate re-buff due to their expense. |
SGT Garrisson
On The Brink
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:47:00 -
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never thought of isk spent ill record i could work out isk loss from my deaths as i have that info and just times the suit cost
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Pwny Rainbow
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Posted - 2012.10.07 16:51:00 -
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SGT Garrisson wrote:never thought of isk spent ill record i could work out isk loss from my deaths as i have that info and just times the suit cost
That's what I mean- record how much is costs to restock to how it was before battle. |
Seamie Schmoove
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.10.07 17:01:00 -
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I'm Sp capped at the mo but ill records my 1st 10 games when I come on in a bit and
see post them here...maybe we can all work out what the factors affecting this are. |
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WT Sherman
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.07 17:23:00 -
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You guys have to understand that we don't need to compare the stats for uber players, but for the average. If you are capping out then you are uber and comparing you to me only makes you look better. Most noob players won't be playing in a squad and won't know how to boost their sp and isk rewards. They will be running and gunning or playing sniper and won't be making very much and will get even less as the week progresses. If noob players don't see some progress in their char from day to day then they won't play. If they are losing isk with a positive k/d ratio then payouts need to be adjusted. |
SGT Garrisson
On The Brink
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Posted - 2012.10.07 17:33:00 -
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im an average player nothing special  |
WT Sherman
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.07 17:37:00 -
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Maybe but you play in a squad and with havs or lavs which make a big difference in wp and isk payouts. |
Deskalkulos Ildigan
CrimeWave Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.10.07 17:49:00 -
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well they are indeed making Aurum more attractive. I mean "only " 30 Aurum for a BPO for militia gear? pretty much sold to me ... |
Pwny Rainbow
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Posted - 2012.10.07 17:55:00 -
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I'll be updating this as I finish battles (sp and ISK are rounded to the nearest 1000)
type/SP/ISK gained/ISK spent/WP/win-lose/squad leader
- Ambush / 4,000 / 49,000 / 31,000 / 225 / Loss / no
- Skirmish / 8,000 / 55,000 / 46,000 / 470 / Win / no
- Ambush / 5,000 / 44,000 / 0 / 275 / Win / no
- Skirmish / 8,000 / 70,000 / 0 / 645 / Loss / no
- Ambush / 3,000 / 51,000 / 23,000 / 150 / loss / yes
Now I think I'll just start looking for a casual squad because the people I'm stuck with are starting to get annoying. |
SYST3M 0V3RL0AD
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.07 18:32:00 -
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While i agree the payouts are a bit low, you could certainly do OK with careful planning or you've got to put in serious game time. I've currently got around 8 Million saved. I'm not an elite player, but i'm not terrible. I do put in a lot of games though. The folks that aren't able to put in the game time will likely have trouble with ISK. With ISK not being capped, guys that can put in alot of hours will have a big pile of money laying around. It's just they way it is. In which case they will be able to afford high end gear more often and people will complain it's unfair and the only solution will be to put in an ISK cap or diminishing return, essentially breaking the game. Keeping the game fair to grinders AND casual players at the same time while keeping the game fun and addicting to everyone is nearly impossible. It's a difficult problem to combat. I really don't know how they're going to do it. |
SYST3M 0V3RL0AD
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2012.10.07 18:36:00 -
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Deskalkulos Ildigan wrote:well they are indeed making Aurum more attractive. I mean "only " 30 Aurum for a BPO for militia gear? pretty much sold to me ...
This was my initial thought when i first heard the changes. I immediately thought, "well, CCP just increased their profits" while claiming to try and balance the game. Well played. It is a valid byproduct to the changes, but it's not the only one. I was annoyed by this because i did buy a merc pack but i will not be a constant Aur user once that Aur is gone. I do see what they're trying to do here and we can't really "blame" them for their attempted fixes having coincedently raised their revenue. |
Superluminal Replicant
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.07 18:46:00 -
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I just want to sell salvage then i will be happy. |
SGT Garrisson
On The Brink
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:37:00 -
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Superluminal Replicant wrote:I just want to sell salvage then i will be happy.
this would solve alot of the low isk issues |
Rayan Storm
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
358
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Posted - 2012.10.07 20:26:00 -
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I dunno about you but i am making around 100K give or take 20K per match. While my loadouts are not up to par with last build's, it is enough to keep me going in a modest and effective fashion. Ok AR, an SMG, grenade here or their, and so on.
We will survive, we just not may be as flagrantly rich. |
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