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D3aTH D3alER54 wrote:

the Celestial Princess wrote:

Its gotten a little harder this build, that is true.

I still don't have any problem with keeping my dude equipped though.

I usually buy up to 50 of my "Rauibow Dash" Loadout.

I use a type-ll AR suit, a standard tactical AR and the rest is militia. I don't use any AUR stuff except for the OP direct hit nades I got with the mercinary pack.

I used the "free suit" just untill I could grind up enough ISK to buy the 425K ISK Assault dropsuit skillbook and then I levelled it up and got the 8000 ISK type-ll suit. Its amazing what a huge difference having 225 shield / 125 armor compared to 125 shield / 175 armor as a base helps with your general survivability.

Once you learn how to stay alive through more and more situations even though you still push foreward and get kills/plants/whatnots, the more your net ISK gain will be.

So in a sence, "You have to spend ISK to increase your future ISk gain". or at least it was like that for me.

In a way this new ISK level makes being a productive and effective merc more important than previous builds, I have to admit; I like it a lot!

Plus its more fun running starter fits with a militia weapon and killing folks running T2 or better suits.
The ISK does pile up.

I know a friend that "just" uses militia gear most of the time and he's always got like 3-4 MIL ISK at anytime and even more.. It's all about the loadout you do and what you use TBH, i use basicaly the same as you but no militia stuff, each death cost me a pretty 50k. but i still manage to make some loot =)

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SYST3M 0V3RL0AD Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 209	Posted - 2012.10.07 21:40:00 - [31] - Quote Superluminal Replicant wrote: I just want to sell salvage then i will be happy. Agreed. Would be nice to clear all of this useless high-level gear out of my MQ. I won't be able to use it any time soon and it's just taking up space in my closet. I think. I'm not really sure because the door won't open. Meh.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 810	Posted - 2012.10.07 21:46:00 - [32] - Quote I think the ISk payouts this build are finally looking about right. These little pick up games shouldn't be able to sustain protogear. Get in a militia fit and stop whinging.
WT Sherman Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 63	Posted - 2012.10.07 22:28:00 - [33] - Quote Baal, I'll stop whining when you stop trolling. Most of the regular players of this game will be playing the quick pick up matches which was the whole point of my post. If isk and sp rewards aren't balanced so the casual player will continue to play and become more advanced, then ccp is going to be losing players. The whole point of us testing the beta is to help ccp find a balance between the directly competing issues of grinder vs casual and elite vs avg. player. It isn't going to be easy and one side or the other is going to feel they are being taken advantage of. I see instant battle as being equal to lvl 1 thru lvl 3 missions as far as isk rewards should be. The noob is able to gain sp and build up his isk over time. FW will be like lvl 4 missions where the player is now a vet and able to make almost as much isk as someone in 00. When we reach 00 then we will be able to make very good isk, at least if we are good enough to pull in the best contracts. Wearing full proto gear will be something that will be pretty much required by then but a noob won't be ready for that for a year or 2 depending on how much he grinds getting actual mission skills down in FW and how well he is connected in EVE to the actual corps and alliances there. It is all about balance and the new player being able to see progress so he will continue to play. We just had a wipe so we are all playing as "new" players though we have the advantage of knowing which skills are required for survival and which ones we can wait on till later. Two builds ago I fielded full proto assault gear and manage to make a little isk even though my gun games isn't that great. Last build I used a scout A with proto sniper rifle or proto swarm launcher and was again able to make a little isk on the side. This build I haven't even started putting any sp into scout suit. I'm using my dragonfly with a standard sniper rifle, av grenades, and standard dropuplinks and can barely make any isk with a positive k/d of 1.85
Pwny Rainbow 12	Posted - 2012.10.07 23:00:00 - [34] - Quote Anybody see any noticeable trends from my post above (#25) and the similar one on the page before that?
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.07 23:23:00 - [35] - Quote I'm currently just about earning enough to stay in Type2 gear, but have to save quite hard to afford decent skillbooks. I was a **** and bought loads of militia tanks in the first week though, and I do have a stock of 20 suits. Which was 10. I've not got any BPO, and am specifically not using the skin weaves to see how easy it is to avoid BPO. Question for those with millions. What type of suits do you run in general? Starter? Milita? BPO? Type2? Info pls. I only broke a million once so far lol. I am the suck
Dracknarr Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.10.08 00:00:00 - [36] - Quote I've found the ISK situation dire. I've been playing a bit off and on the last week or so. I am still running only militia gear. I bought the Merc pack so that I could get some Aurum to buy out the militia BPO's, so I could play around with Militia fits until I made some ISK and could try out some of the different weapons etc. It's been over a week. I haven't been able to afford to buy any new gear! Nor the skills for them anyway! This is really unfriendly.. I really want to play (and will continue to try) but I feel like I'm not getting anywhere at the moment at all. Trying to save to just buy a skill book so that I can think about buying some proper Assault Suits. It'll be a while with my average of around 20k-40k ISK per match. I can understand things are meant to be earned etc, but as it stands now, it really isn't very welcoming to new players at all. I'm hoping it changes so that I can at least afford to buy some more skill books...
TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2012.10.08 00:18:00 - [37] - Quote They say that ISK depends on META level that you killed in the game
Pwny Rainbow 12	Posted - 2012.10.08 01:57:00 - [38] - Quote Now that I've looked at things, it seems you have to use the militia gear that you buy with AUR to get anywhere on ISK. Despite being militia, the little costs really add up. Before using AUR militia- 5 deaths (non-starter fits) cost me a little over 100,000 ISK After using AUR militia- 5 deaths (non-starter fits) cost me 36,000 ISK
APX147 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2012.10.08 07:12:00 - [39] - Quote I stopped playing because of this isk situation. Whats the point? Run around like a clay pigeon in a starter fit so the people buying aurum can have a field day ? Not to day, not tomorrow. Never! Fix this CCP or you will lose gamers in big numbers.
Khortez D Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2012.10.08 07:21:00 - [40] - Quote For me it certainly made the game, ill say a bit more frustrating for me. Doesn't matter what i do or how i do it, i feel like i get absolutely nothing for work i may put in. makes it less incentive to do anything for me. i'll still play it cause its a fun shooter, but its getting killed slowly for me thats for sure. it's forced me into using nothing but starter outfits, cause i aint gonna have enough income to actually restock anything.

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 369	Posted - 2012.10.08 07:24:00 - [41] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Question for those with millions. What type of suits do you run in general? Starter? Milita? BPO? Type2? Info pls. I only broke a million once so far lol. I am the suck I'm pretty much running Type-II exclusively. Then again, I farmed the Igromir players pretty hard this weekend
Tyrius Madison 97	Posted - 2012.10.08 07:27:00 - [42] - Quote SGT Garrisson wrote: Superluminal Replicant wrote: I just want to sell salvage then i will be happy. this would solve alot of the low isk issues absolutely. I have so much crap in my personal inventory that I can't and won't ever use.
APX147 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2012.10.08 07:35:00 - [43] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Tony Calif wrote: Question for those with millions. What type of suits do you run in general? Starter? Milita? BPO? Type2? Info pls. I only broke a million once so far lol. I am the suck I'm pretty much running Type-II exclusively. Then again, I farmed the Igromir players pretty hard this weekend And if this nonsense continues, we cant earn enough for our gear and the new players keep running away you can farm all day by yourself/alone in the future.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.08 07:40:00 - [44] - Quote If trying to learn about makeing isk bothers folks then its better to delete this post.
APX147 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2012.10.08 07:41:00 - [45] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: I run starter fits and my loadout costs 3k to 7K per death. Usually die 3 to 6 times. Make 30 to 100k per game. Shoot, shoot, shoot game 15 k to 30k. Destroy RDVs / installations/ LAVs 70k to 150k Destroy nine RDVs in one game and it was 190k plus I got salvage most times from killing RDVs. Salvage 7 Suryas, 5 Sagaris and one black ops HAV. Ok. Why are you here and what is it that you don-¦t understand?
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.08 08:01:00 - [46] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: I'm currently just about earning enough to stay in Type2 gear, but have to save quite hard to afford decent skillbooks. I was a **** and bought loads of militia tanks in the first week though, and I do have a stock of 20 suits. Which was 10. I've not got any BPO, and am specifically not using the skin weaves to see how easy it is to avoid BPO. Question for those with millions. What type of suits do you run in general? Starter? Milita? BPO? Type2? Info pls. I only broke a million once so far lol. I am the suck Starter fits.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.08 08:08:00 - [47] - Quote APX147 wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: I run starter fits and my loadout costs 3k to 7K per death. Usually die 3 to 6 times. Make 30 to 100k per game. Shoot, shoot, shoot game 15 k to 30k. Destroy RDVs / installations/ LAVs 70k to 150k Destroy nine RDVs in one game and it was 190k plus I got salvage most times from killing RDVs. Salvage 7 Suryas, 5 Sagaris and one black ops HAV. Ok. Why are you here and what is it that you don-¦t understand? I understand how to make the ISK that is game money. How is it that folks get the tools to make ISK and yet are still poor??
Ieukoplast Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 169	Posted - 2012.10.08 08:44:00 - [48] - Quote The ISK reward is absolutely horrible this build, I don't so much mind the slow SP grind, but ISK should be flowing like crazy, instead I barely get enough ISK a match to spawn two slightly better than bottom line dropsuits. I have run out of so many times restocking this build. It is ridiculous. I have to play at least 6 matches with the starter kits just to play one or two matches with my preferred dropsuit fitting, which isn't even that advanced.
APX147 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2012.10.08 09:02:00 - [49] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: APX147 wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: I run starter fits and my loadout costs 3k to 7K per death. Usually die 3 to 6 times. Make 30 to 100k per game. Shoot, shoot, shoot game 15 k to 30k. Destroy RDVs / installations/ LAVs 70k to 150k Destroy nine RDVs in one game and it was 190k plus I got salvage most times from killing RDVs. Salvage 7 Suryas, 5 Sagaris and one black ops HAV. Ok. Why are you here and what is it that you don-¦t understand? I understand how to make the ISK that is game money. How is it that folks get the tools to make ISK and yet are still poor?? But you can-¦t read? You might be fine with running around in a starter suit all day and night while demo testing but it it pretty clear that this is something a lot of people are not willing to do. Again.. What are you doing here and what is it you don-¦t understand? No one cares about your personal score kid..
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.08 09:11:00 - [50] - Quote APX147 wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: APX147 wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: I run starter fits and my loadout costs 3k to 7K per death. Usually die 3 to 6 times. Make 30 to 100k per game. Shoot, shoot, shoot game 15 k to 30k. Destroy RDVs / installations/ LAVs 70k to 150k Destroy nine RDVs in one game and it was 190k plus I got salvage most times from killing RDVs. Salvage 7 Suryas, 5 Sagaris and one black ops HAV. Ok. Why are you here and what is it that you don-¦t understand? I understand how to make the ISK that is game money. How is it that folks get the tools to make ISK and yet are still poor?? But you can-¦t read? You might be fine with running around in a starter suit all day and night while demo testing but it it pretty clear that this is something a lot of people are not willing to do. Again.. What are you doing here and what is it you don-¦t understand? No one cares about your personal score kid.. WHINEING,,,,,but folks want to be rich in PUBBIE matches. NO WAY. CORP matches for ISK once game launches.

WT Sherman Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 63	Posted - 2012.10.08 10:19:00 - [51] - Quote Go back and read my posts. This isn't about corp matches or FW, it is about when people start out and most players will be playing the instant battle matches. If rewards aren't balanced so the new player can see improvement in his situation, then he will quit playing.
D3aTH D3alER54 The Southern Legion 130	Posted - 2012.10.08 10:23:00 - [52] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: APX147 wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: APX147 wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: I run starter fits and my loadout costs 3k to 7K per death. Usually die 3 to 6 times. Make 30 to 100k per game. Shoot, shoot, shoot game 15 k to 30k. Destroy RDVs / installations/ LAVs 70k to 150k Destroy nine RDVs in one game and it was 190k plus I got salvage most times from killing RDVs. Salvage 7 Suryas, 5 Sagaris and one black ops HAV. Ok. Why are you here and what is it that you don-¦t understand? I understand how to make the ISK that is game money. How is it that folks get the tools to make ISK and yet are still poor?? But you can-¦t read? You might be fine with running around in a starter suit all day and night while demo testing but it it pretty clear that this is something a lot of people are not willing to do. Again.. What are you doing here and what is it you don-¦t understand? No one cares about your personal score kid.. WHINEING,,,,,but folks want to be rich in PUBBIE matches. NO WAY. CORP matches for ISK once game launches. Actually you do sound like a kid. And WTF, someone made a corp with my name?
the Celestial Princess 1	Posted - 2012.10.08 10:23:00 - [53] - Quote Its gotten a little harder this build, that is true. I still don't have any problem with keeping my dude equipped though. I usually buy up to 50 of my "Rauibow Dash" Loadout. I use a type-ll AR suit, a standard tactical AR and the rest is militia. I don't use any AUR stuff except for the OP direct hit nades I got with the mercinary pack. I used the "free suit" just untill I could grind up enough ISK to buy the 425K ISK Assault dropsuit skillbook and then I levelled it up and got the 8000 ISK type-ll suit. Its amazing what a huge difference having 225 shield / 125 armor compared to 125 shield / 175 armor as a base helps with your general survivability. Once you learn how to stay alive through more and more situations even though you still push foreward and get kills/plants/whatnots, the more your net ISK gain will be. So in a sence, "You have to spend ISK to increase your future ISk gain". or at least it was like that for me. In a way this new ISK level makes being a productive and effective merc more important than previous builds, I have to admit; I like it a lot!
D3aTH D3alER54 The Southern Legion 130	Posted - 2012.10.08 10:27:00 - [54] - Quote the Celestial Princess wrote: Its gotten a little harder this build, that is true. I still don't have any problem with keeping my dude equipped though. I usually buy up to 50 of my "Rauibow Dash" Loadout. I use a type-ll AR suit, a standard tactical AR and the rest is militia. I don't use any AUR stuff except for the OP direct hit nades I got with the mercinary pack. I used the "free suit" just untill I could grind up enough ISK to buy the 425K ISK Assault dropsuit skillbook and then I levelled it up and got the 8000 ISK type-ll suit. Its amazing what a huge difference having 225 shield / 125 armor compared to 125 shield / 175 armor as a base helps with your general survivability. Once you learn how to stay alive through more and more situations even though you still push foreward and get kills/plants/whatnots, the more your net ISK gain will be. So in a sence, "You have to spend ISK to increase your future ISk gain". or at least it was like that for me. In a way this new ISK level makes being a productive and effective merc more important than previous builds, I have to admit; I like it a lot! I know a friend that "just" uses militia gear most of the time and he's always got like 3-4 MIL ISK at anytime and even more.. It's all about the loadout you do and what you use TBH, i use basicaly the same as you but no militia stuff, each death cost me a pretty 50k. but i still manage to make some loot =)
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.10.08 10:30:00 - [55] - Quote Pwny Rainbow wrote: Anyone else think we're making WAY too little ISK this build? The most I ever made in 1 game this build was about 50,000. Last build, I made about 200,00 tops- and this is before costs. Usually, if I use any fitting besides starter fits more than 3 times in a battle, I'm losing money no matter how cheap my gear is. Is there really any reason we're making so little money compared to last build? I don't think that eve players would pay us anywhere near this little when the game launches. i've reached 200/250K quite some times in this build as well, with and without Squad Leader. Never earned less than 100K. But again, dont forget there's only one type of contracts at the moment. We'll probably see some with a better ISK multiplier in the future as it would be a pretty effective way to create a logical evolution for new players and let them avoid facing people with very powerfull stuff as they wont be interested by the ISK income of those contracts.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.08 12:16:00 - [56] - Quote WT Sherman wrote: Go back and read my posts. This isn't about corp matches or FW, it is about when people start out and most players will be playing the instant battle matches. If rewards aren't balanced so the new player can see improvement in his situation, then he will quit playing. The suits say STARTER FIT in a self explanatory fashion. The only reward in MAG that I wanted was the ability to kill Valor or preferably SEVR EZmode peeps. So in Dust a few matches later with my MILITIA AR or SMG at L4 the peeps begin to die. Reward? Yeah. But, but the better equipment!! STARTER FITS cost ZERO ISK. 20k to 70k per match means for a single day and that covers a few skill books and some equipment. Next day it covers ten suits to be used when theres someone that needs killing that a basic starter fit is unable to handle. Whats the problem??
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.08 12:21:00 - [57] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Pwny Rainbow wrote: Anyone else think we're making WAY too little ISK this build? The most I ever made in 1 game this build was about 50,000. Last build, I made about 200,00 tops- and this is before costs. Usually, if I use any fitting besides starter fits more than 3 times in a battle, I'm losing money no matter how cheap my gear is. Is there really any reason we're making so little money compared to last build? I don't think that eve players would pay us anywhere near this little when the game launches. i've reached 200/250K quite some times in this build as well, with and without Squad Leader. Never earned less than 100K. But again, dont forget there's only one type of contracts at the moment. We'll probably see some with a better ISK multiplier in the future as it would be a pretty effective way to create a logical evolution for new players and let them avoid facing people with very powerfull stuff as they wont be interested by the ISK income of those contracts. What He said. Also its a Beta and there are going to be matches designed for beginners faceing beginners and NOT! the mashup we have now.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.08 12:32:00 - [58] - Quote D3aTH D3alER54 wrote: the Celestial Princess wrote: Its gotten a little harder this build, that is true. I still don't have any problem with keeping my dude equipped though. I usually buy up to 50 of my "Rauibow Dash" Loadout. I use a type-ll AR suit, a standard tactical AR and the rest is militia. I don't use any AUR stuff except for the OP direct hit nades I got with the mercinary pack. I used the "free suit" just untill I could grind up enough ISK to buy the 425K ISK Assault dropsuit skillbook and then I levelled it up and got the 8000 ISK type-ll suit. Its amazing what a huge difference having 225 shield / 125 armor compared to 125 shield / 175 armor as a base helps with your general survivability. Once you learn how to stay alive through more and more situations even though you still push foreward and get kills/plants/whatnots, the more your net ISK gain will be. So in a sence, "You have to spend ISK to increase your future ISk gain". or at least it was like that for me. In a way this new ISK level makes being a productive and effective merc more important than previous builds, I have to admit; I like it a lot! Plus its more fun running starter fits with a militia weapon and killing folks running T2 or better suits. The ISK does pile up. I know a friend that "just" uses militia gear most of the time and he's always got like 3-4 MIL ISK at anytime and even more.. It's all about the loadout you do and what you use TBH, i use basicaly the same as you but no militia stuff, each death cost me a pretty 50k. but i still manage to make some loot =)
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.10.08 12:38:00 - [59] - Quote APX147 wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: APX147 wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: I run starter fits and my loadout costs 3k to 7K per death. Usually die 3 to 6 times. Make 30 to 100k per game. Shoot, shoot, shoot game 15 k to 30k. Destroy RDVs / installations/ LAVs 70k to 150k Destroy nine RDVs in one game and it was 190k plus I got salvage most times from killing RDVs. Salvage 7 Suryas, 5 Sagaris and one black ops HAV. Ok. Why are you here and what is it that you don-¦t understand? I understand how to make the ISK that is game money. How is it that folks get the tools to make ISK and yet are still poor?? But you can-¦t read? Lets whine and whine to CCP about how we are too incompetent to manage playmoney ISK. Again. What are you doing here and what is it you don-¦t understand? No one cares about your personal ISK milions as long as folks like me get ISK handouts so that we can run proto all day with no consequences Since we are going to be impolite.................
Eystighvall Nexaddo Lead Venture 0	Posted - 2012.10.09 15:59:00 - [60] - Quote Feels too grindy too early on right now. Been playing 2 days and having fun. But today it seems to already feel like a slow grind to gain SP and upgrades. Have not played yet today. Not feeling too hot on paying more for Dust when I am already paying for 4 EVE accounts. Can we transfer currency from EVE to Dust yet? (like I said, only 2nd day)



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