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Hahahaha, I'm calling BS on this one. If you're a scout out in the open and an AR is firing on you, you're boned. That's it, finito. Unless the enemy has exactly 0 tracking ability, and has to reload because he accidentally tried running last time he reloaded and only had four bullets left, there's actually nothing you can do. Scout's just met to the super-accurate ADS of the AR's.

You so mad.

I really don't care. I say we turn the game into Unreal Tournament 514. Complete with 20 foot jumping flipping scoped in headshots.

at least it'll stop you guys from crying about it.

I just find it hilarious that so many people are on the forum crying, whining, bitching and moaning that they CAN'T MOVE AT ALL AND ARE FORCED TO STAY COMPLETELY STILL AT ALL TIMES....yet when I play in game, people dodge, weave, strafe, jump and everything you people continually cry and say that you can't do anymore, just because you want a game where everyone wears the scout suit and bunnyhops with a SMG.

amirite?

to hear you folks tell it, CCP has completely disabled the left joystick.

I don't know, maybe we are playing two completely different games. Every match I've been in since Codex was implemented has had almost nomovement occurring. Trying to move when someone else can see you = dead. The ONLY thing I've seen in the new build has been extremely slow blob warfare. Guys slowly trudging from a CRU in a large blob and blandly firing on the other team camping the objective, rinse repeat. There has been ALMOST ZERO dodging, weaving, strafing, or jumping. I mean, I honestly hate to sound like an ass, but maybe you're just not any good and can't shoot these guys trying to do these things, but for me it's basically SEE GUY, SHOOT GUY, GUY DIES until the match is over. There isn't any dodging or weaving because it is completely ineffective vs anyone who can aim with any level of proficiency.

They haven't COMPLETELY disabled the left joystick, that's just another obvious strawman, but they have made the left joystick fairly useless in a gunfight.

its no more of a strawman then "OMG YOU HAVE TO STAY UNREALISTICALLY STILL SO PEOPLE CANT SHOOT YOU!".

maybe we are playing two different games. Because I see jumping, dodging and strafing. I also see sprinting from cover to cover, and I see sneaking up on people and killing them before they can do anything about it.

I guess in your version of Dust 514, everyone spawns and stands exactly where they are and shoots till someone dies., because strafing isn't as easy as it was last build so why bother.

but mine doesn't do that.

and you are right, I suck at the game, and I can't shoot anyone who isn't standing completely perfectly still. thats why I play support. so now what?

either way, I for one, did not ask for the strafing to be turned down. I don't care. I'll adapt to however the game is. If that means playing cover to cover and crouch-shooting, then fine. if it means everyone wears a scout suit and a shotgun and we all do the BunnyHop Tango every game, like you all seem to want, then I'll do that too.

I do find the whining pretty funny though.

I like the strafeing speed where its at right now since a heavy with a HMG can kill a scout trying to go head on but a scout can circle around and bong!, bong!, bong! shotgun kill the heavy no prob.

its no more of a strawman then "OMG YOU HAVE TO STAY UNREALISTICALLY STILL SO PEOPLE CANT SHOOT YOU!".

maybe we are playing two different games. Because I see jumping, dodging and strafing. I also see sprinting from cover to cover, and I see sneaking up on people and killing them before they can do anything about it.

I guess in your version of Dust 514, everyone spawns and stands exactly where they are and shoots till someone dies., because strafing isn't as easy as it was last build so why bother.

but mine doesn't do that.

and you are right, I suck at the game, and I can't shoot anyone who isn't standing completely perfectly still. thats why I play support. so now what?

either way, I for one, did not ask for the strafing to be turned down. I don't care. I'll adapt to however the game is. If that means playing cover to cover and crouch-shooting, then fine. if it means everyone wears a scout suit and a shotgun and we all do the BunnyHop Tango every game, like you all seem to want, then I'll do that too.

I do find the whining pretty funny though.

You have to understand that we are in this state because of all the whining from people who can't aim. The game overly caters to scrubs now. Of course you are going to be for lower strafing speeds, you are a scrub.

Anyone that supports low strafe speeds wants this games mechanics and ideals to be similar to CoD. How does that make you feel?

as I said, I'm not for or against. it doesn't matter to me, it doesn't affect my gameplay as much as you seem to think it does. I'm sorry that it affects your gameplay to the extent that it does. well, no, I'm not sorry. I don't care.

I don't much care for COD.

I want Dust to be more like Planetside.

this thread was more for mocking the extreme hyperbole put forth by those complaining about the strafe speed. such as OMG YOU CANT AIM SO CCP IS MAKING ME STAND STILL SO YOU CAN KILL ME.

You have to understand that we are in this state because of all the whining from people who can't aim. The game overly caters to scrubs now. Of course you are going to be for lower strafing speeds, you are a scrub.

Anyone that supports low strafe speeds wants this games mechanics and ideals to be similar to CoD. How does that make you feel?

Here we go scubs again these forums are like clock work ill ask you a question there are games out their that have low strafe speed such as the battlefield series, ARMA, operation flash piont andthe lot are you telling me that these games are low skilled or does scrub meen something else?? Get it into yer heads there are other skills than tracking speed and evasion which are the 2 primary from last build.

I'm kind of tired of explaining this to people. We are talking about gun skills. Camping in a corner or behind a rock does not take very much skill.

LoL at "other types of skill." positioning does not take skill. A monkey could camp in a corner and get kills.

lol at you assuing camp iam talking about tactical assults, flanking tactics, use of cover properly, getting from cover to cover, stealth, target aquirsition(thanks to tacnet is stupidly easy), supporting vulnerable units, cover fire, ya know the stuff that is actually used by the real world militarizes, also gun skills in reallife and alot of games is a damn site more than here so ya cant pull that one son bullet projection, effective ranges, chances of a clean dispatch vrs risk so on so forth you clearly are not military,

Aslo positioning takes a damn site more skill than moving a analogue left and right to a pattern or typing adadadadad(oh thats some good evasion right there) depending on your preference,

I will tell you one thing now using cover is a damn site more valid tactic than straffing for one very good reason what would you do if some one took a pot shot at you zig zag towards them or gtf out of their line of sight/into cover

So camping and positioning takes more skill then actual gun game. You can wiggle that left joy stick all you want. If you can't aim you can't aim. Tactics are tactics btw. I am actually a really good tactician. That has nothing to do with gun skill though. We are talking about actual gun skill.

One of the worst players in mag was actually one of the best tacticians as PL. Tactics=/=Gun skill.

So camping and positioning takes more skill then actual gun game. You can wiggle that left joy stick all you want. If you can't aim you can't aim. Tactics are tactics btw. I am actually a really good tactician. That has nothing to do with gun skill though. We are talking about actual gun skill.

One of the worst players in mag was actually one of the best tacticians as PL. Tactics=/=Gun skill.

There shouldn't be *any* way to dodge gunshots. They're freaking gunshots.

Its not dodging shots, its a way to prevent the enemy from getting a lock on you.