The only trouble I see with that is that there are players just aching to drop a few spare bil ISK over to the Dust corps and individuals. If I were a tanker and had not only a bil in my wallet but residual income from Eve, why would I care about what the repair costs?

There was a suggestion a while back about about only awarding WP/SP for repping hostile damage. I wonder how complicated that would be to implement.

This is a good thread full of handsome men.

Also, I think I'm with you. Limiting repairs in this sense is a sensible idea, if only because it would also make the BF3-style tactic of having a tank with 3 guys repairing it, like remorahs around a shark, less viable. On the other hand, the way things are priced right now assumes that repairs are free, so a change like this would have broader implications. Maybe there's a solution that works roughly the same way, but without the hassle? Like... maybe if repair tools had limited use and couldn't be refilled via a supply depot/nano hive? Then essentially it's the same thing.

Expendable repair tools has a nice ring to it.

How about all farmers stop being douches and play the game, earn your SP/WP like a merc would and kill and be a merc for it not a punk little douche because to me that is worse than dumb players. Players off not helping the team, a sense of unity is what is needed, that will get you plenty of SP/WP. Also you earned it like a grown up not a child taking what they want EARN IT if you want it EARN IT don't steal or farm EARN IT.

It really does, friendly fire won't work either as it will always be off in hisec and they will always be able to farm.

You get less WP for using better gear? :CCP:

The only trouble I see with that is that there are players just aching to drop a few spare bil ISK over to the Dust corps and individuals. If I were a tanker and had not only a bil in my wallet but residual income from Eve, why would I care about what the repair costs?

There was a suggestion a while back about about only awarding WP/SP for repping hostile damage. I wonder how complicated that would be to implement.

The fix is even simpler and has been mentioned many times:

One only receives SP/WP for repairing damage done by the enemy.

You could make it so that if u don't move from red line within a certain amount of time u die. Or don't allow vehicle spawn in red line.

You could make it so that if u don't move from red line within a certain amount of time u die. Or don't allow vehicle spawn in red line.

One of the main issues we have with people farming both SP and WP at the moment is there's nothing stopping them from doing it as it's technically a part of actual game mechanics, I.E repairing a LAV while crashing over and over.

Now, the most simple way i can see to fix this without adding any hard or soft caps and limiting people from playing the way they want to play is to simply make it so that repairs cost a considerable chunk of ISK in comparison to what it is they are repairing.

I.E Make a HAV cost quite a lot to repair, it is after all an expensive piece of kit to own and use, A LAV is obviously cheaper so it should be cheaper to repair the LAV than the HAV and put drop ships somewhere in the middle. This will encourage self healing builds for vehicles on one hand, but it will also encourage people to actually make sure they repairing something worth it at the same time.

It will cost the SP/WP farmers ISK to cheat then, they can only do it for so long till they have to play the game normally. I know it's not a perfect solution but that's something we could discuss and thrash out here?

As for Militia vehicles, more specifically the free LAV, make it unrepairable or make it so that it's not free and unlimited.

For drop suits, they should cost very little ISK as there's not really a way to exploit that a the moment.

I think combining all this stuff together is going to be the way to go. But isn't the real issue WP farming, not SP farming? This game is a lot like EVE in the sense that there is a certain skill level that is required to put you on even footing with almost anyone and after that the bonuses are marginal at best. With proper gameplay some with 10 mil sp goes down just as easy as someone with 1 mil. But the endless OS/PS spamming is ruining the game. So why not just eliminate WAR points awarded for damage done by the environment or done within a team's base? Would that solve the whole thing?

its an interesting point, but how could to fix WP farming without screwing the logistic players over?

Trying to link these two threads that are going on simultaneously:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=338989#post338989

The idea is to remove collision damage from the safe zone. I think this has merit, especially in hisec where friendly fire is off.

Part of the problem is that we don't know how the programming required would affect the rest of the game, whether it would require substantially more memory to track how much damage was done by what, etc. And when you repair, which damage do you repair first? Suppose you're under attack by two tanks, a swarm, a forge, and a turret, and you're getting repaired by three logi's, a LAV, and your own onboard active repairer and passive repairer--who is repairing what damage and when? If your algorithm isn't pretty robust and heavily optimized, you can get into some problematic memory issues.

Eliminating collision damage in the safe zone would be easier and have much lower overhead, I suspect. It would also be perfectly fair to all logi's. There's just one question that will decide whether it would work: Can squads still farm effectively on ambush maps where there is no safe zone? Or do they pretty consistently get rooted out by enemies? This will require some information gathering, I think.

So I have to call in my dropship under fire because some kittens are abusing the system?


The current SP caps make boosting pointless. it may take some time for the boosters to figure this out, but once they all hit the cap it should get very boring to rep a vehicle for zero gain.

Don't break the rest of the game. If you do the terrorists win.

General question, has anyone seen farming going on in Ambush games or is it limited to Skirmish?

If one wishes to hunt a creature one must establish the habitat in which it thrives


The better we establish when and where the problem occurs the better we can focus our thoughts on a solution.