Felt this needed it's own thread.

According to CCP we will -not- be getting SP rewards for corporation battles and/or faction warfare battles. When asked what reward(s) we would be getting:

"Money , honour , bragging rights."

To which I say, why would we want to do it for ISK if we can just give our dust mercs/corporation(s) money from Eve Online?

What's the incentive other than putting a flag on the district..?

Why was the decision made so that character progression can -only- occur through instant matchmaking?

I honestly think we should work this out. Discuss.

Well lets see

Will the corps be constantly fighting each other game after game after game? no

So what will the corps be doing? PVE stuff maybe and clowning around in high sec and taking the odd NPC contracts for SP and practise

This is done so that ppl wont set up dummy corps and stay in 1 match for like 1hour boosting each other up because ppl will do it

1. How the hell are people talking about the death of DUST before it's even released? Is it because once it's released they can't possibly change anything? Are they not allowed to patch things?

Are you a drama student?

2. I missed the part where only wealthy EvE players were allowed to play OR are you offering to support your entire corp? If that is the case can I join?


Regards

Jax

Hey Aeon, I initially disagreed with you when you brought this up in IRC yesterday. After reading all this I'm on your side. The only valid argument AGAINST SP in Corp battles is boosters, but in the end, who cares how the boosters reach the weekly cap? They're going to do it, it's inevitable and it doesn't matter whether the cap is reached by instant battles or corp battles, they're getting the same amount in the end.

I'm responding to this because you're not seeing between the lines and choosing to only read the title of the situation than have some foresight to the problem at hand.

Edit: To expand on this - I want to ask a question for everyone in the community.

Should Instant Matchmaking be an "optional" feature over all that Eve Online has to offer ?
-OR-
Should Territorial Gain be an "optional" feature over Instant Matchmaking?

So how would they go about keeping the problem of SP farming with dummy corps in check while simultaneously allowing SP gain in Corp Vs. Corp?

One solution is to use the EVE model, only passive skill gain. It wouldn't fly here as the target audience, for the most part, couldn't stomach it. Not allowing corp v corp SP gain is the compromise butI don't know that it will work. I know with absolute certainty that if corp v corp matches allowed SP gain people would create dummy corps to grind SP. Under the no SP system, they will already KDR and Warscore pad. This is a bad solution, but I don't know what a good one would be.

[What if there were a minimum Meta level for gear required to que up for a Corp v Corp battle? Pay a price for throwing the match. Of course there are other prices that can (and as far as I know, will) be in place as well (just as it is with FW and Corp War Decs in EVE). Tho the specifics of that other system have not been revealed (or finalized?) yet so perhaps we could throw some suggestions into the ring, this is beta after all so that's kind of the point

Cheers,
Cross

I have an idea, but it might create a host of other problems, however I'll mention it here in case the community is able to hammer it out into something more useful.

What if there were a minimum Meta level for gear required to que up for a Corp v Corp battle? Pay a price for throwing the match. Of course there are other prices that can (and as far as I know, will) be in place as well (just as it is with FW and Corp War Decs in EVE). Tho the specifics of that other system have not been revealed (or finalized?) yet so perhaps we could throw some suggestions into the ring, this is beta after all so that's kind of the point

Cheers,
Cross

They could always just introduce a war declaration system to help manage the costs for corporate combat...

So then how would this go about managing/allowing the SP gain from Corp Vs Corp battles?

No idea. But it would add a financial burden to Corp vs Corp combat & a mechanism for griefing

A good idea but a problem I see is it wouldn't stop people from capping objectives (and then letting the other team do the same, rinse repeat) and other non-violent means of gaining war points and therefore skill points until whichever side was elected to win, won.

Null-sec (corp vs. corp) battles, unlike NPC based FW and instant matches , are going to be paying shitloads of ISK.

So basically you get a choice, want ISK or SP?

For weeks, if not months, I said that Matchmaking would have limited the sandbox elements: I was ignored.
I said that PVE was a bad idea because PVE works in RPG but not in competitive FPS: I was ignored.
For weeks I said that CCP was creating restrictions and divisions to something that should have been "one universe, one war".
I was ignored all the time.

Also there is a far bigger problem.
I said that newbies would have had serious disadvantages when put against veterans (see this) because of statistical disadvantages and what people here told me is "veterans will not use matchmaking, there will be no problems".
Now is clear that veterans WILL use matchmaking and those balance issues will eventually contribute to Dust "inevitable death".

In the end nobody listened to me, CCP didn't take what I said seriously nor did players, and here we are trying to save a game form "inevitable death".
Death in beta.

Now, we could all just play Dust 514 FOR FUN...but then Dust is such a poor FPS so I don't see this as the solution to our problems.

So if you only serve your Corporation and do Corp. battles then you will never be able to skill up? Seems counter productive to the way fighting wars should be. You fight a lot for your Corp/Nation you get experiance from it and can do things better, but in Soviet New Eden Experience gains you.