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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.09.26 09:04:00 -
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Ya know I keep seeing these threads about how the only thing that matters is KDR?? I was wondering if any Goonswarm can help out to show a contrary viewpoint in line with EVE?? (when ISK transfers go live). The KDR kittens think that getting kills gets them ISK as if a few hundred Ks worth is money??
They forget that the winner of a match is the side who has a SURVIVING MCC and not the KDR kittens waving an AR. What am I on about?? Low skilled folks wipeing the floor with the KDR kittens.
What decides an MCC versus MCC match is the amount of damage done to an MCC. Folks with a lot! of ISK but few skills versus folks with a lot! of skills but hardly any ISK. Follow??
The MILITIA null cannons do the most damage to the MCC.(so far in this build) PROTO deployable null cannons do a lot more damage but cost a lot more.(maybe in this next build).
One side has no money to buy these. One side has the ISK to buy them.
What happens when one side has ten proto null cannons and the other side can barely PURCHASE five MILITIA null cannons?
DPS.
What side is going to have more DPS?? The no skill but ISK rich folks.
KDR means nothing!! if you are UNABLE to field a good level of equipment.
Controlling five militia level null cannons means nothing if the enemy can field ten proto null cannons at the red zone. |
Fiasco Llana
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
251
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Posted - 2012.09.26 09:10:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Ya know I keep seeing these threads about how the only thing that matters is KDR?? I was wondering if any Goonswarm can help out to show a contrary viewpoint in line with EVE?? (when ISK transfers go live). The KDR kittens think that getting kills gets them ISK as if a few hundred Ks worth is money??
They forget that the winner of a match is the side who has a SURVIVING MCC and not the KDR kittens waving an AR. What am I on about?? Low skilled folks wipeing the floor with the KDR kittens.
What decides an MCC versus MCC match is the amount of damage done to an MCC. Folks with a lot! of ISK but few skills versus folks with a lot! of skills but hardly any ISK. Follow??
The MILITIA null cannons do the most damage to the MCC. PROTO deployable null cannons do a lot more damage but cost a lot more.
One side has no money to buy these. One side has the ISK to buy them.
What happens when one side has ten proto null cannons and the other side can barely buy five MILITIA null cannons?
DPS.
What side is going to have more DPS?? The no skill but ISK rich folks.
KDR means nothing!! if you are UNABLE to field a good level of equipment.
People who focus on KDR just use it as a scapegoat when their team got their arse handed to them. Let all the scrub players from MAG talk about how 1337 they are.
That ish is easy guys. Used to be a sniper in MAG, sniping hundreds of para-jumpers. It's easy as hell. No skill involved in it at all. I dare anyone to face me with militia gear and no SP. Just pure gun fighting skill.
Nobody would do it because they all use their lolthukkers and easy mode ARs.
I wasn't pointing anybody out, just some egoic players that deserve to be beaten down.
And to be honest I dont even know why I brought that up. I guess cause you said KDR. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.09.26 09:26:00 -
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Yeah right you forget that skilled players know how to use their equipment properly. A n00b who thinks he can dominate now with a high end tank gets his butt kicked when they face a good team. Seriously think before posting. Look at this like that: what is a proto null canon on the ground good for if you lose controll over it? What are tanks good for when the other team is good and coordinates their AV guys? What is a proto assault rifle good for when the user cant even hit the broad side of a barn?
Seriously skill> gear any time. And besides good players will allways have more and better gear then n00bs simply because good players doesnt die so much like n00bs who go 0-10. After all every player started with 0. Means every 1 had militia gear to begin with. You might want to get the new merc pack to get permament access to Type-1 suits cause everything else is to expensive to get. |
Dzark Kill
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.09.26 09:27:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:What decides an MCC versus MCC match is the amount of damage done to an MCC. Folks with a lot! of ISK but few skills versus folks with a lot! of skills but hardly any ISK. Follow??.
no I dont let me expand.
Mr No Skill proto man: " This looks like a nice place for a proto cannon"
Mr Skillfull Poorman: "Hmm that looks like a nice proto cannon, thinks me might take that"
Charge.....
Mr Skillfull Poorman: " hmm that militia rifle seem to rip that Proto suit to shreads, i'd take it back to the armorer in my next clone if i was him."
Mr No Skill proto man: " ARGGHH CCP THAT COST ME ELENTY BILLION WHY DID YOU NERF MY TANK." |
SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
421
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Posted - 2012.09.26 09:27:00 -
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So you want to start small and only use 1 billion? Why would you ask such a large organization for so little? |
Fiasco Llana
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
251
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Posted - 2012.09.26 09:29:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Yeah right you forget that skilled players know how to use their equipment properly. A n00b who thinks he can dominate now with a high end tank gets his butt kicked when they face a good team. Seriously think before posting. Look at this like that: what is a proto null canon on the ground good for if you lose controll over it? What are tanks good for when the other team is good and coordinates their AV guys? What is a proto assault rifle good for when the user cant even hit the broad side of a barn? <---Point 3.
Seriously skill> gear any time. And besides good players will allways have more and better gear then n00bs simply because good players doesnt die so much like n00bs who go 0-10. After all every player started with 0. Means every 1 had militia gear to begin with. You might want to get the new merc pack to get permament access to Type-1 suits cause everything else is to expensive to get.
Ahem. Mass driver, thukkers for point 3. |
jenza aranda
BetaMax.
1005
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Posted - 2012.09.26 09:57:00 -
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in any case 1 bil really isnt that much ISK, considering that the Warbarge is carrier, if not super carrier sized which can cost up to tens of billions of isk!
but also yes, skill over gear every time |
Billi Gene
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.09.26 11:16:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Yeah right you forget that skilled players know how to use their equipment properly. A n00b who thinks he can dominate now with a high end tank gets his butt kicked when they face a good team. Seriously think before posting. Look at this like that: what is a proto null canon on the ground good for if you lose controll over it? What are tanks good for when the other team is good and coordinates their AV guys? What is a proto assault rifle good for when the user cant even hit the broad side of a barn?
Seriously skill> gear any time. And besides good players will allways have more and better gear then n00bs simply because good players doesnt die so much like n00bs who go 0-10. After all every player started with 0. Means every 1 had militia gear to begin with. You might want to get the new merc pack to get permament access to Type-1 suits cause everything else is to expensive to get.
Good players will always be in demand, because of their skill sets, but those skills alone may not always be enough.
there are other skills apart from gun skills in DUST, take Organisational Skills.
as an aside to the proto null cannon scenario.... vehicle remote reppersx2 on two tanks and a couple jeeps with 1x reppers, servicing a blaster tank and a missile tank, maybe one or two infantry just for giggles (heck even a skilled sniper covering for sneaky out of reach AV)..... all it takes is ISK.
shield reppers are on the way in. Armor reps already here. I'm not saying that the above is optimal, I'm just saying that protecting an investment will require capital as well as what ever skill sets the overarching situation demands.
DUST in any setting other then random matches, is looking like its going to play like EVE, but without the target locks.
imho
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Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.09.26 11:49:00 -
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I think you mean if ISK transfers ever are allowed between Dust and EVE. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.26 11:56:00 -
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Will we even have deployable null cannons or even proto null cannons considering they're an objective? And wouldn't any behind the redline push the redline back to avoid nub insta win |
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Captain-Awesome
38
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Posted - 2012.09.26 12:02:00 -
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why am I posting here? why does this thread have relevance? grit_breather why did you link me this post :( |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.09.26 12:08:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:in any case 1 bil really isnt that much ISK, considering that the Warbarge is carrier, if not super carrier sized which can cost up to tens of billions of isk!
but also yes, skill over gear every time for a dust player 1 billion would be damn alot. Maybe not for a Eve player but you have to consider the payment we get at the moment. |
mikegunnz
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
425
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Posted - 2012.09.26 12:10:00 -
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I vaguely remember CCP saying how, once you control a piece of sovereign territory, you'll be able to deploy your own cannons, ammo supply assets, etc. I'm sure it'll be within the parameters of a template with a number of possible deployment combinations...so you prob won't be able to move redlines, or place assets anywhere other than x-number of predetermined location possibilities. |
Eagle0ne
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.09.26 12:11:00 -
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I just read skill here skill there... This is all bullshit, the one and only thing that matters is a team that works together and communicates.. I don't give a damn about skill.. If the team sucks there is no way out.. There can be 5 newcomer only with militia gear they still rule the field if they use COM...
People who play this game need to understand that they need a fuc-king mic to communicate with the teammates..
Still to many don't fuc-king have a mic and that's the problem. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.09.26 12:13:00 -
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oh yeah the giant blob of blue dots who are gathering around the squad that actually does well. n00bs geting attracted by good players. |
Gemini Reynolds
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.09.26 12:25:00 -
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mikegunnz wrote:I vaguely remember CCP saying how, once you control a piece of sovereign territory, you'll be able to deploy your own cannons, ammo supply assets, etc. I'm sure it'll be within the parameters of a template with a number of possible deployment combinations...so you prob won't be able to move redlines, or place assets anywhere other than x-number of predetermined location possibilities.
Correct. From the Fanfest video regarding the planets, terrain, etc (Seeding the Universe video), the maps come with individually sized sockets for various installations to be plugged in to. These installations are bought and paid for by the corporations/alliances for as-of-yet unspecified benefits. More plug-n-play and less Minecraft. |
Kaeralli Sturmovos
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
117
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Posted - 2012.09.26 12:26:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Ya know I keep seeing these threads about how the only thing that matters is KDR?? I was wondering if any Goonswarm can help out to show a contrary viewpoint in line with EVE?? (when ISK transfers go live). The KDR kittens think that getting kills gets them ISK as if a few hundred Ks worth is money??
They forget that the winner of a match is the side who has a SURVIVING MCC and not the KDR kittens waving an AR. What am I on about?? Low skilled folks wipeing the floor with the KDR kittens.
What decides an MCC versus MCC match is the amount of damage done to an MCC. Folks with a lot! of ISK but few skills versus folks with a lot! of skills but hardly any ISK. Follow??
The MILITIA null cannons do the most damage to the MCC.(so far in this build) PROTO deployable null cannons do a lot more damage but cost a lot more.(maybe in this next build).
One side has no money to buy these. One side has the ISK to buy them.
What happens when one side has ten proto null cannons and the other side can barely PURCHASE five MILITIA null cannons?
DPS.
What side is going to have more DPS?? The no skill but ISK rich folks.
KDR means nothing!! if you are UNABLE to field a good level of equipment.
Controlling five militia level null cannons means nothing if the enemy can field ten proto null cannons at the red zone.
bout time one of these threads came along, the KD queens were very obknoxious in the previous builds with their only comeback that "EVE is just a point and click"
/facepalm |
Eagle0ne
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.09.26 12:27:00 -
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step by step guys... it's beta
Just wait for it |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.26 12:50:00 -
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Silly thread. I'll take your Proto cannons, blow up your MCC, take the district and chuckle at the "KDR doesn't matter" crowd. You can't defend your cannons if you're dead/respawning. These threads go round in circles.
"if I do such&such KDR isn't important" "but you are dead and respawning" "I'm back and I'll ha... "gotcha again" "argh fine I'll bring a... "gotcha again"
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Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:04:00 -
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This is exactly the sort of thing that will set the EVE corps and the FPS corps apart i think, EVE players are use to having to think outside the box and think of all possible avenues of attack and what you need for them.
Just to put things into comparison, I'm ratting in Dek right now and earning 28 million isk per Tick, that's ever 20 mins, thats over 1m isk per min. It's not hard for me to get a billion isk alone.
Goonwaffe is currently getting over 500 billion isk a month just from Tech income from mines thanks to the one's we've recently taken from NC. We get about 90 billion a month in ratting taxes and PI taxes alone.
Loosing a cannon or something like that won't be a big deal for us, we'd just call in another one.
Theoretically, if you can call in cannons anywhere we'd just call in 10 our redzone so they couldn't get touched but i'd like to think CCP is more intelligent than to allow that to happen but who knows :CCP: |
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Billi Gene
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:16:00 -
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benefit vs cost .... its the fitting struggle on a map scale. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:21:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:benefit vs cost .... its the fitting struggle on a map scale.
Not when the cost is negligible to the corp as a whole. Put it into context, you declare war on us, you have 1b to spend, 100m goes on the war dec costs for the week, that gives you 900m to throw at us to take the planet.
Once your 900m has gone, you have to fall back and end the war, even if its cost us 50b to keep the planet, again, you'd win the ISK war in the sense that you've spent less and destroyed more but we'd have won it in the sense that we kept the moons. |
Regis Mark V
91
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:36:00 -
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As far as I know there wont be any money transfers between Dust and EVE only through CONTRACTS will EVE pod pilots be able to give money to Dust mercs. If CCP will allow money transfers then they have broke the game... Wait it's already broke! |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:45:00 -
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Regis Mark V wrote:As far as I know there wont be any money transfers between Dust and EVE only through CONTRACTS will EVE pod pilots be able to give money to Dust mercs. If CCP will allow money transfers then they have broke the game... Wait it's already broke!
Whats to stop Goonwaffe setting up a contract for 20 billion isk to protect a planet from a 1 man corp to its dust branch?
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Salazar Skye-fire
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.09.26 14:07:00 -
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Regis Mark V wrote:As far as I know there wont be any money transfers between Dust and EVE only through CONTRACTS will EVE pod pilots be able to give money to Dust mercs. If CCP will allow money transfers then they have broke the game... Wait it's already broke!
nice to see the trolls are out even if they dont play anymore, the others should be due in for a visit soon.
*boil's tea*
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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.26 14:13:00 -
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Isk will matter and if ya think it wont fair play to you and good luck |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.09.26 14:14:00 -
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If I had 1 billion isk I would probably just horde it all and sit there looking like this guy |
Alhanna Ridgeway
123
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Posted - 2012.09.26 14:17:00 -
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If the market's are going to intertwine then it isn't hard to xfer money between characters, all be it with a little tax on the end. Somone takes a Shield Module or Armor Module, puts it on the Market for we'll say 500M, no one is gonna buy it cause it's a ridiculous price, gets on their Eve Character and buys it from their Dust Merc. There you xferred the money, and can still turn around and sell the shield mod for a normal price. Also, you might get lucky and some ****** that isn't reading or is in a hurry actually just buys it for 500M. |
Tien TheSecond
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
198
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Posted - 2012.09.26 14:40:00 -
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Alhanna Ridgeway wrote:If the market's are going to intertwine then it isn't hard to xfer money between characters, all be it with a little tax on the end. Somone takes a Shield Module or Armor Module, puts it on the Market for we'll say 500M, no one is gonna buy it cause it's a ridiculous price, gets on their Eve Character and buys it from their Dust Merc. There you xferred the money, and can still turn around and sell the shield mod for a normal price. Also, you might get lucky and some ****** that isn't reading or is in a hurry actually just buys it for 500M.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9193/strontblurred.png |
REGNUM'XY2K ASSAULT RIFLE
5
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Posted - 2012.09.26 14:52:00 -
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Fiasco Llana wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Ya know I keep seeing these threads about how the only thing that matters is KDR?? I was wondering if any Goonswarm can help out to show a contrary viewpoint in line with EVE?? (when ISK transfers go live). The KDR kittens think that getting kills gets them ISK as if a few hundred Ks worth is money??
They forget that the winner of a match is the side who has a SURVIVING MCC and not the KDR kittens waving an AR. What am I on about?? Low skilled folks wipeing the floor with the KDR kittens.
What decides an MCC versus MCC match is the amount of damage done to an MCC. Folks with a lot! of ISK but few skills versus folks with a lot! of skills but hardly any ISK. Follow??
The MILITIA null cannons do the most damage to the MCC. PROTO deployable null cannons do a lot more damage but cost a lot more.
One side has no money to buy these. One side has the ISK to buy them.
What happens when one side has ten proto null cannons and the other side can barely buy five MILITIA null cannons?
DPS.
What side is going to have more DPS?? The no skill but ISK rich folks.
KDR means nothing!! if you are UNABLE to field a good level of equipment.
People who focus on KDR just use it as a scapegoat when their team got their arse handed to them. Let all the scrub players from MAG talk about how 1337 they are. That ish is easy guys. Used to be a sniper in MAG, sniping hundreds of para-jumpers. It's easy as hell. No skill involved in it at all. I dare anyone to face me with militia gear and no SP. Just pure gun fighting skill. Nobody would do it because they all use their lolthukkers and easy mode ARs. I wasn't pointing anybody out, just some egoic players that deserve to be beaten down. And to be honest I dont even know why I brought that up. I guess cause you said KDR. 1v1 anytime... ill show you what gun game is |
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