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ChargersGirlLuvsDP
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.26 15:02:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Silly thread. I'll take your Proto cannons, blow up your MCC, take the district and chuckle at the "KDR doesn't matter" crowd. You can't defend your cannons if you're dead/respawning. These threads go round in circles.
"if I do such&such KDR isn't important" "but you are dead and respawning" "I'm back and I'll ha... "gotcha again" "argh fine I'll bring a... "gotcha again"
Are you going to be chuckling when you and all your KDR buddies get melted from orbit by no-skill n00bs in whatever Dreads or whatnot they are using for Orbital Bombardment? |
ChargersGirlLuvsDP
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.09.26 15:05:00 -
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Tien TheSecond wrote:Alhanna Ridgeway wrote:If the market's are going to intertwine then it isn't hard to xfer money between characters, all be it with a little tax on the end. Somone takes a Shield Module or Armor Module, puts it on the Market for we'll say 500M, no one is gonna buy it cause it's a ridiculous price, gets on their Eve Character and buys it from their Dust Merc. There you xferred the money, and can still turn around and sell the shield mod for a normal price. Also, you might get lucky and some ****** that isn't reading or is in a hurry actually just buys it for 500M. http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9193/strontblurred.png
You are my hero...... |
Katya Thurn
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.26 15:08:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:I think you mean if ISK transfers ever are allowed between Dust and EVE.
ISK transfers from EVE to DUST and probably from DUST to EVE as well will be allowed. Whether there will be limits as to how much ISK I wouldn't be surprised. No doubt CCP's economist will be watching aeverything that happens between the two economies.
AURUM transfers on the other hand will not be allowed obviously as that is where CCP will want to make their revenue. |
Katya Thurn
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.09.26 15:15:00 -
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I'm not sure what the talk about GSF taking over DUST 514 is about. DUST 514 will not affect nul-sec sovreignty at launch of DUST 514 and I suspect that aspect will never be implemented or if so then DUST operations will not have that much effect on sovreignty at all.
DUST 514 will mainly be concerned with Factional Warfare boundaries in New Eden as far as I can see. |
EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.09.26 15:24:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Ya know I keep seeing these threads about how the only thing that matters is KDR?? I was wondering if any Goonswarm can help out to show a contrary viewpoint in line with EVE?? (when ISK transfers go live). The KDR kittens think that getting kills gets them ISK as if a few hundred Ks worth is money??
They forget that the winner of a match is the side who has a SURVIVING MCC and not the KDR kittens waving an AR. What am I on about?? Low skilled folks wipeing the floor with the KDR kittens.
What decides an MCC versus MCC match is the amount of damage done to an MCC. Folks with a lot! of ISK but few skills versus folks with a lot! of skills but hardly any ISK. Follow??
The MILITIA null cannons do the most damage to the MCC.(so far in this build) PROTO deployable null cannons do a lot more damage but cost a lot more.(maybe in this next build).
One side has no money to buy these. One side has the ISK to buy them.
What happens when one side has ten proto null cannons and the other side can barely PURCHASE five MILITIA null cannons?
DPS.
What side is going to have more DPS?? The no skill but ISK rich folks.
KDR means nothing!! if you are UNABLE to field a good level of equipment.
Controlling five militia level null cannons means nothing if the enemy can field ten proto null cannons at the red zone.
Have you ever got red lined? what if the super elite proto cannons are hacked by the opposing team? |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.26 15:27:00 -
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Katya Thurn wrote:I'm not sure what the talk about GSF taking over DUST 514 is about. DUST 514 will not affect nul-sec sovreignty at launch of DUST 514 and I suspect that aspect will never be implemented or if so then DUST operations will not have that much effect on sovreignty at all.
DUST 514 will mainly be concerned with Factional Warfare boundaries in New Eden as far as I can see.
Dust is going to be THE major Sov mechanic. Have you not been reading the intreviews and things? |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.26 15:30:00 -
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Your point instantly goes out the window when you realize that high skilled players will receive the most funding |
Katya Thurn
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.09.26 15:35:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Katya Thurn wrote:I'm not sure what the talk about GSF taking over DUST 514 is about. DUST 514 will not affect nul-sec sovreignty at launch of DUST 514 and I suspect that aspect will never be implemented or if so then DUST operations will not have that much effect on sovreignty at all.
DUST 514 will mainly be concerned with Factional Warfare boundaries in New Eden as far as I can see. Dust is going to be THE major Sov mechanic. Have you not been reading the intreviews and things?
Don't suppose you have links to those interviews? The EVE nul-sec community is going to be very 'kittened off' if they hear that is going to be implemented. Actually I think you are mistaken in that belief. |
Cygnus Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
50
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Posted - 2012.09.26 15:46:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:If I had 1 billion isk I would probably just horde it all and sit there looking like this guy Nah... once you get a billion you'll realize there's people with a trillion. There's always a bigger game... |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.26 15:55:00 -
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ChargersGirlLuvsDP wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Silly thread. I'll take your Proto cannons, blow up your MCC, take the district and chuckle at the "KDR doesn't matter" crowd. You can't defend your cannons if you're dead/respawning. These threads go round in circles.
"if I do such&such KDR isn't important" "but you are dead and respawning" "I'm back and I'll ha... "gotcha again" "argh fine I'll bring a... "gotcha again"
Are you going to be chuckling when you and all your KDR buddies get melted from orbit by no-skill n00bs in whatever Dreads or whatnot they are using for Orbital Bombardment?
You kill me with a 100mil ISK spaceship and yes, I'll be chuckling. Because we'll still win the ground war, and I believe the phrase is "all ur base r mine". Yes, I'll chuckle. I'll be flattered too. |
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Regis Mark V
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Posted - 2012.09.26 15:59:00 -
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Salazar Skye-fire wrote:Regis Mark V wrote:As far as I know there wont be any money transfers between Dust and EVE only through CONTRACTS will EVE pod pilots be able to give money to Dust mercs. If CCP will allow money transfers then they have broke the game... Wait it's already broke! nice to see the trolls are out even if they dont play anymore, the others should be due in for a visit soon. *boil's tea*
Not trolling just because I don't play anymore doesn't mean I can't watch the Hindenburg burn! |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.26 16:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Your point instantly goes out the window when you realize that high skilled players will receive the most funding
No, Corps as a whole will depending who they are allied with. Even the best EVE players dont get special treatment. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.26 16:17:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:ChargersGirlLuvsDP wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Silly thread. I'll take your Proto cannons, blow up your MCC, take the district and chuckle at the "KDR doesn't matter" crowd. You can't defend your cannons if you're dead/respawning. These threads go round in circles.
"if I do such&such KDR isn't important" "but you are dead and respawning" "I'm back and I'll ha... "gotcha again" "argh fine I'll bring a... "gotcha again"
Are you going to be chuckling when you and all your KDR buddies get melted from orbit by no-skill n00bs in whatever Dreads or whatnot they are using for Orbital Bombardment? You kill me with a 100mil ISK spaceship and yes, I'll be chuckling. Because we'll still win the ground war, and I believe the phrase is "all ur base r mine". Yes, I'll chuckle. I'll be flattered too.
I think you'll find the phrase is All your base are belong to us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us
Which was popularized by Goons no less....
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The site is home to a collection of Internet forums running a highly customized version of vBulletin, which charge an initial registration fee of US$9.95, and fees ranging from US$4.99 to US$29.99 for additional features.[26]
The forums have helped to perpetuate Internet memes, such as All your base are belong to us[2] and Tourist guy.[1] The forum's users refer to themselves as "Goons". A weekly activity is "Photoshop Phriday", where users will modify existing images to create parodies through the use of image-editing software such as Adobe Photoshop.[27] Another periodic activity is "The Blue Ball Machine", where users create animated images that tile together in such a way as to appear like a seamless whole; these tiles are incorporated into a screensaver which displays them in random order. The feature gained popularity when users on the website YTMND looped the animation to music from Pee-wee's Big Adventure.[28] The website also highlights some of what its administrators believe to be exceptional forum threads in the Comedy Goldmine feature.[29] A forum member also launched 4chan.[30] |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.09.26 16:29:00 -
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Eagle0ne wrote:I just read skill here skill there... This is all bullshit, the one and only thing that matters is a team that works together and communicates.. I don't give a damn about skill.. If the team sucks there is no way out.. There can be 5 newcomer only with militia gear they still rule the field if they use COM...
People who play this game need to understand that they need a fuc-king mic to communicate with the teammates..
Still to many don't fuc-king have a mic and that's the problem.
dumbest post in this thread yet tbqh. corp v corp everyone will have comms soooo ur point is invalid and guess what? it comes back down to skill....gg |
Cortez The Killer
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.26 17:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Your point instantly goes out the window when you realize that high skilled players will receive the most funding
It comes back in the window when you realize that the individual contract bounties aren't going to be funding any significant wars. Once a duster can be in an Eve based corp, the corporation wallet can be stuffed to the gills with Eve ISK. Corporate funding will eventually come from taxes and planetary complex ownership profits. Only very horrible and short lived alliances ask their troops to pay for their own gear.
Once the market opens up you'll also find very sharp market players that rarely fight but make tons more ISK than the highly skilled shooter.
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Brumae Verres
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Posted - 2012.09.26 17:19:00 -
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Last I heard the MCC will be a corp owned asset. So if it goes down corp has to buy a new one. Granted they can probably just make an emergency jump and run away, but that alone should curb the kdr kids
I haven't played many fps' (as I'm sure my gun game reflects), but most mmorpgs are about strategies in capturing points. There is a valid tactic when outmatched to avoid the fight, stay mobile, cap and counter cap. If you can keep all points in flux but one or two at a time in your favor you will win, while the kdr crack shots are still looking for the fight, or chasing you recapping points. Yes there are counters to this tactic, but there is a counter to every tactic.
Don't assume you must hold a point based only on superior weapons and skill. There is always a plan b |
Berserker007
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
206
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Posted - 2012.09.26 17:22:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:jenza aranda wrote:in any case 1 bil really isnt that much ISK, considering that the Warbarge is carrier, if not super carrier sized which can cost up to tens of billions of isk!
but also yes, skill over gear every time for a dust player 1 billion would be damn alot. Maybe not for a Eve player but you have to consider the payment we get at the moment.
that is true, a billion is quite a lot for us; hell ive got 62mil ISK, and i feel im quite comfy w/ how my wallet is |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.09.26 17:54:00 -
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Berserker007 wrote:The dark cloud wrote:jenza aranda wrote:in any case 1 bil really isnt that much ISK, considering that the Warbarge is carrier, if not super carrier sized which can cost up to tens of billions of isk!
but also yes, skill over gear every time for a dust player 1 billion would be damn alot. Maybe not for a Eve player but you have to consider the payment we get at the moment. that is true, a billion is quite a lot for us; hell ive got 62mil ISK, and i feel im quite comfy w/ how my wallet is
The "cheap" base militia?? MCC version runs 120 Million ISK BEFORE expensive mods. The KDR kitties are going to balk at spending 500 M on a twenty M contract but EVE players will have no probs with such small amounts if it gets a win.
If there are proto MCC versions are the KDR kitties going to be able to afford them? Probably not.
Just look at tanks that cost a paltry two Million ISK and they went Casper the ghost with the new AV hotfix. In fact a lot of dusties that were tankers decided to put the tanks away due to "cost".
The best AR is a proto MCC. Work in progress and all that jazz.
I do notice that in games where we have ten clone baits and four or more fast runner scouts/cappers versus the KDR kitties the result is we win since they concentrate on kills and are easy to distract away from objectives.
But this only works if we are using ten clones for bait. Think outside the box.
Welcome to EVE and all that entails.
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The Second Best
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.26 17:59:00 -
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I don't want to waste too much time explaining basic economics so I'll try to break this down quickly: When the markets of the two games are eventually tied, ISK in Dust will inflate (assuming that Dust players have an actual impact in EVE which it seems is CCP's goal).
To come at it from another direction, in this hypothetical being thrown around, if alliances in EVE starts pumping ISK to its Dust members, and those members start trying to throw money at all of their problems (i.e. they have a large volume demand schedule), the supply side will respond with increased prices and the market will head towards equilibrium. The only thing that could hamper this is the NPC contract amounts being too small, but since those rewards are based on match ISK consumption, this should not be an issue.
I really don't understand how this is difficult to grasp, especially for Dusters that play EVE. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.26 18:09:00 -
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Tbh, KDR "kittens" (LoL, that's actually funny. Meow) who are part of a rich corp will simply win all day everyday? I'm tempted to go GOON. You all make it sound like a free merc won't be able to pick his fights :P |
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DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.26 18:11:00 -
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Cortez The Killer wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Your point instantly goes out the window when you realize that high skilled players will receive the most funding It comes back in the window when you realize that the individual contract bounties aren't going to be funding any significant wars. Once a duster can be in an Eve based corp, the corporation wallet can be stuffed to the gills with Eve ISK. Corporate funding will eventually come from taxes and planetary complex ownership profits. Only very horrible and short lived alliances ask their troops to pay for their own gear. Once the market opens up you'll also find very sharp market players that rarely fight but make tons more ISK than the highly skilled shooter.
I think you're missing the point.
Who's going to fund a corp full of scrubs over a corp full of efficient, ruthless killers? |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.09.26 18:13:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Tbh, KDR "kittens" (LoL, that's actually funny. Meow) who are part of a rich corp will simply win all day everyday? I'm tempted to go GOON. You all make it sound like a free merc won't be able to pick his fights :P
You have to be a goon before you can join Goon.
It's a bit of a paradox really. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.09.26 18:15:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Cortez The Killer wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Your point instantly goes out the window when you realize that high skilled players will receive the most funding It comes back in the window when you realize that the individual contract bounties aren't going to be funding any significant wars. Once a duster can be in an Eve based corp, the corporation wallet can be stuffed to the gills with Eve ISK. Corporate funding will eventually come from taxes and planetary complex ownership profits. Only very horrible and short lived alliances ask their troops to pay for their own gear. Once the market opens up you'll also find very sharp market players that rarely fight but make tons more ISK than the highly skilled shooter. I think you're missing the point. Who's going to fund a corp full of scrubs over a corp full of efficient, ruthless killers?
A lot of people will if im honest.
People would rather put their money into a corp they know they can trust and has the political motivations than a neutral party that could go **** goons on them, skills not as important as trust in this game.
You'll find this a lot, even after i've been chatting with a lot of people in EVE and their respective alliances you'll find this is the general feeling, You're not going to be "for hire" every match, you're going to have to pick a side and stick with it for quite some time to get anything of value. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.26 18:18:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:A lot of people will if im honest.
People would rather put their money into a corp they know they can trust and has the political motivations than a neutral party that could go **** goons on them, skills not as important as trust in this game.
You'll find this a lot, even after i've been chatting with a lot of people in EVE and their respective alliances you'll find this is the general feeling, You're not going to be "for hire" every match, you're going to have to pick a side and stick with it for quite some time to get anything of value.
Well trust is obviously important, but if I had a big corp in EVE I'd want our ISK going to mercs that can get the job done, not just ones that I know won't try to clear out our wallet. What's the point in having all that money if you can't even take back a simple district? |
ChargersGirlLuvsDP
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.09.26 18:18:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:ChargersGirlLuvsDP wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Silly thread. I'll take your Proto cannons, blow up your MCC, take the district and chuckle at the "KDR doesn't matter" crowd. You can't defend your cannons if you're dead/respawning. These threads go round in circles.
"if I do such&such KDR isn't important" "but you are dead and respawning" "I'm back and I'll ha... "gotcha again" "argh fine I'll bring a... "gotcha again"
Are you going to be chuckling when you and all your KDR buddies get melted from orbit by no-skill n00bs in whatever Dreads or whatnot they are using for Orbital Bombardment? You kill me with a 100mil ISK spaceship and yes, I'll be chuckling. Because we'll still win the ground war, and I believe the phrase is "all ur base r mine". Yes, I'll chuckle. I'll be flattered too.
First off, your math is a little off-- Dreadscost a littlemore than100m ISK
Secondly, you will not have "won the ground war" when your clone reserves get depleted by PL glassing the planet with a fleet of SuperCarriers just because they can.
Lastly, you misspelled flattened. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.26 18:27:00 -
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Doesn't sound like I'd take that contract. But really, a whole fleet of super caps for me and my militia null cannon really is flattering & flattening. PL are the only EvE corp I respect simply from what I've read. I don't play EvE.
Btw, what happens when another fleet of super caps turns up? Or another? Because Tony Calif is stealing a district. I think you are a little out of your depth perhaps sending a fleet of super caps after me. Destroyers should do nicely. |
Regis Mark V
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Posted - 2012.09.26 18:35:00 -
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ChargersGirlLuvsDP wrote:Tony Calif wrote:ChargersGirlLuvsDP wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Silly thread. I'll take your Proto cannons, blow up your MCC, take the district and chuckle at the "KDR doesn't matter" crowd. You can't defend your cannons if you're dead/respawning. These threads go round in circles.
"if I do such&such KDR isn't important" "but you are dead and respawning" "I'm back and I'll ha... "gotcha again" "argh fine I'll bring a... "gotcha again"
Are you going to be chuckling when you and all your KDR buddies get melted from orbit by no-skill n00bs in whatever Dreads or whatnot they are using for Orbital Bombardment? You kill me with a 100mil ISK spaceship and yes, I'll be chuckling. Because we'll still win the ground war, and I believe the phrase is "all ur base r mine". Yes, I'll chuckle. I'll be flattered too. First off, your math is a little off-- Dreadscost a littlemore than100m ISKSecondly, you will not have "won the ground war" when your clone reserves get depleted by PL glassing the planet with a fleet of SuperCarriers just because they can. Lastly, you misspelled flattened.
You obviously don't know how OS works. There will be cool downs you'll also have to make sure the enemy can't fire back or what if they have a space fleet of there own. I love the fact that some people think they'll just be shooting strikes all day! |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.26 18:36:00 -
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Regis Mark V wrote:You obviously don't know how OS works. There will be cool downs you'll also have to make sure the enemy can't fire back or what if they have a space fleet of there own. I love the fact that some people think they'll just be shooting strikes all day!
The coolest thing is going to be the few highly contested planets by the mega alliances, watching the fleet battles above the planet as they fight for air superiority is just going to be downright intense. |
YourDeadAgain76
Red Star.
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Posted - 2012.09.26 18:45:00 -
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Eagle0ne wrote:I just read skill here skill there... This is all bullshit, the one and only thing that matters is a team that works together and communicates.. I don't give a damn about skill.. If the team sucks there is no way out.. There can be 5 newcomer only with militia gear they still rule the field if they use COM...
People who play this game need to understand that they need a fuc-king mic to communicate with the teammates..
Still to many don't fuc-king have a mic and that's the problem.
Aaaaaaaammmmmeeeeen MICs people. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.09.26 18:52:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:A lot of people will if im honest.
People would rather put their money into a corp they know they can trust and has the political motivations than a neutral party that could go **** goons on them, skills not as important as trust in this game.
You'll find this a lot, even after i've been chatting with a lot of people in EVE and their respective alliances you'll find this is the general feeling, You're not going to be "for hire" every match, you're going to have to pick a side and stick with it for quite some time to get anything of value. Well trust is obviously important, but if I had a big corp in EVE I'd want our ISK going to mercs that can get the job done, not just ones that I know won't try to clear out our wallet. What's the point in having all that money if you can't even take back a simple district?
Because that ISK that you got could be used to fuel your single account for a very long time if you not only screwed over the corp that the contract is from but the corp that your in.
Trust is the most precious asset available in this game. If you're a simple Merc fighting for the higest bidder you won't get the big contracts because of the level of trust involved, they will be kept internally because of the importance of them and the ISK involved.
EVE has Merc corps in it already, who fight for the highest bidder no matter their side or size and non of them are major players because of the ramifications of not being involved with anything and having no trust, they are not rich, they just about get by typically.
There's been many instances of these merc corps swapping sides in a fight because they got a better offer, you'd do the same in their position if your only interest is your bank account and fair play if thats all you want but you'd be missing out on a lot the game has to offer if you don't fight for a cause. |
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