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Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:04:00 -
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This is exactly the sort of thing that will set the EVE corps and the FPS corps apart i think, EVE players are use to having to think outside the box and think of all possible avenues of attack and what you need for them.
Just to put things into comparison, I'm ratting in Dek right now and earning 28 million isk per Tick, that's ever 20 mins, thats over 1m isk per min. It's not hard for me to get a billion isk alone.
Goonwaffe is currently getting over 500 billion isk a month just from Tech income from mines thanks to the one's we've recently taken from NC.
We get about 90 billion a month in ratting taxes and PI taxes alone.
Loosing a cannon or something like that won't be a big deal for us, we'd just call in another one.
Theoretically, if you can call in cannons anywhere we'd just call in 10 our redzone so they couldn't get touched but i'd like to think CCP is more intelligent than to allow that to happen but who knows :CCP: |
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:21:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:benefit vs cost .... its the fitting struggle on a map scale.
Not when the cost is negligible to the corp as a whole. Put it into context, you declare war on us, you have 1b to spend, 100m goes on the war dec costs for the week, that gives you 900m to throw at us to take the planet.
Once your 900m has gone, you have to fall back and end the war, even if its cost us 50b to keep the planet, again, you'd win the ISK war in the sense that you've spent less and destroyed more but we'd have won it in the sense that we kept the moons. |
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Posted - 2012.09.26 13:45:00 -
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Regis Mark V wrote:As far as I know there wont be any money transfers between Dust and EVE only through CONTRACTS will EVE pod pilots be able to give money to Dust mercs. If CCP will allow money transfers then they have broke the game... Wait it's already broke!
Whats to stop Goonwaffe setting up a contract for 20 billion isk to protect a planet from a 1 man corp to its dust branch?
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Posted - 2012.09.26 15:27:00 -
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Katya Thurn wrote:I'm not sure what the talk about GSF taking over DUST 514 is about. DUST 514 will not affect nul-sec sovreignty at launch of DUST 514 and I suspect that aspect will never be implemented or if so then DUST operations will not have that much effect on sovreignty at all.
DUST 514 will mainly be concerned with Factional Warfare boundaries in New Eden as far as I can see.
Dust is going to be THE major Sov mechanic. Have you not been reading the intreviews and things? |
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Posted - 2012.09.26 16:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Your point instantly goes out the window when you realize that high skilled players will receive the most funding
No, Corps as a whole will depending who they are allied with. Even the best EVE players dont get special treatment. |
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Posted - 2012.09.26 16:17:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:ChargersGirlLuvsDP wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Silly thread. I'll take your Proto cannons, blow up your MCC, take the district and chuckle at the "KDR doesn't matter" crowd. You can't defend your cannons if you're dead/respawning. These threads go round in circles.
"if I do such&such KDR isn't important"
"but you are dead and respawning"
"I'm back and I'll ha...
"gotcha again"
"argh fine I'll bring a...
"gotcha again"
Are you going to be chuckling when you and all your KDR buddies get melted from orbit by no-skill n00bs in whatever Dreads or whatnot they are using for Orbital Bombardment? You kill me with a 100mil ISK spaceship and yes, I'll be chuckling. Because we'll still win the ground war, and I believe the phrase is "all ur base r mine". Yes, I'll chuckle. I'll be flattered too.
I think you'll find the phrase is All your base are belong to us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us
Which was popularized by Goons no less....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Something_Awful
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Screenshot of the thread posting icons visible to a user who is in "Banme mode" on the Something Awful forums.
The site is home to a collection of Internet forums running a highly customized version of vBulletin, which charge an initial registration fee of US$9.95, and fees ranging from US$4.99 to US$29.99 for additional features.[26]
The forums have helped to perpetuate Internet memes, such as All your base are belong to us[2] and Tourist guy.[1] The forum's users refer to themselves as "Goons". A weekly activity is "Photoshop Phriday", where users will modify existing images to create parodies through the use of image-editing software such as Adobe Photoshop.[27] Another periodic activity is "The Blue Ball Machine", where users create animated images that tile together in such a way as to appear like a seamless whole; these tiles are incorporated into a screensaver which displays them in random order. The feature gained popularity when users on the website YTMND looped the animation to music from Pee-wee's Big Adventure.[28] The website also highlights some of what its administrators believe to be exceptional forum threads in the Comedy Goldmine feature.[29] A forum member also launched 4chan.[30] |
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Posted - 2012.09.26 18:13:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Tbh, KDR "kittens" (LoL, that's actually funny. Meow) who are part of a rich corp will simply win all day everyday? I'm tempted to go GOON. You all make it sound like a free merc won't be able to pick his fights :P
You have to be a goon before you can join Goon.
It's a bit of a paradox really. |
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Posted - 2012.09.26 18:15:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Cortez The Killer wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Your point instantly goes out the window when you realize that high skilled players will receive the most funding It comes back in the window when you realize that the individual contract bounties aren't going to be funding any significant wars. Once a duster can be in an Eve based corp, the corporation wallet can be stuffed to the gills with Eve ISK. Corporate funding will eventually come from taxes and planetary complex ownership profits. Only very horrible and short lived alliances ask their troops to pay for their own gear. Once the market opens up you'll also find very sharp market players that rarely fight but make tons more ISK than the highly skilled shooter. I think you're missing the point. Who's going to fund a corp full of scrubs over a corp full of efficient, ruthless killers?
A lot of people will if im honest.
People would rather put their money into a corp they know they can trust and has the political motivations than a neutral party that could go **** goons on them, skills not as important as trust in this game.
You'll find this a lot, even after i've been chatting with a lot of people in EVE and their respective alliances you'll find this is the general feeling, You're not going to be "for hire" every match, you're going to have to pick a side and stick with it for quite some time to get anything of value. |
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Posted - 2012.09.26 18:52:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:A lot of people will if im honest.
People would rather put their money into a corp they know they can trust and has the political motivations than a neutral party that could go **** goons on them, skills not as important as trust in this game.
You'll find this a lot, even after i've been chatting with a lot of people in EVE and their respective alliances you'll find this is the general feeling, You're not going to be "for hire" every match, you're going to have to pick a side and stick with it for quite some time to get anything of value. Well trust is obviously important, but if I had a big corp in EVE I'd want our ISK going to mercs that can get the job done, not just ones that I know won't try to clear out our wallet. What's the point in having all that money if you can't even take back a simple district?
Because that ISK that you got could be used to fuel your single account for a very long time if you not only screwed over the corp that the contract is from but the corp that your in.
Trust is the most precious asset available in this game. If you're a simple Merc fighting for the higest bidder you won't get the big contracts because of the level of trust involved, they will be kept internally because of the importance of them and the ISK involved.
EVE has Merc corps in it already, who fight for the highest bidder no matter their side or size and non of them are major players because of the ramifications of not being involved with anything and having no trust, they are not rich, they just about get by typically.
There's been many instances of these merc corps swapping sides in a fight because they got a better offer, you'd do the same in their position if your only interest is your bank account and fair play if thats all you want but you'd be missing out on a lot the game has to offer if you don't fight for a cause. |
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Posted - 2012.09.26 19:38:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Because that ISK that you got could be used to fuel your single account for a very long time if you not only screwed over the corp that the contract is from but the corp that your in.
Trust is the most precious asset available in this game. If you're a simple Merc fighting for the higest bidder you won't get the big contracts because of the level of trust involved, they will be kept internally because of the importance of them and the ISK involved.
EVE has Merc corps in it already, who fight for the highest bidder no matter their side or size and non of them are major players because of the ramifications of not being involved with anything and having no trust, they are not rich, they just about get by typically.
There's been many instances of these merc corps swapping sides in a fight because they got a better offer, you'd do the same in their position if your only interest is your bank account and fair play if thats all you want but you'd be missing out on a lot the game has to offer if you don't fight for a cause. I guess we'll just have to see. I think the mega alliances are going to be doing some heavy handed politicking to get the strong players on their sides. Like I said, who cares how many assets you have when your soldiers are constantly being stomped into the ground and your planets keep being taken away from you. Scrubs are good fillers, and they'll do alright if you arm them to the teeth, but at the end of the day, skill trumps ISK, all day, every day.
There's one Very Very interesting thing i keep seeing people ignore and that's timezones, for a group to be very good they are going to need to have players over all timezones because if a contract goes up in EU time and everyone else is in the US, that's going to be quite an important factor once we're out of the unimportant stuff like FW etc. |
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