Ya know I keep seeing these threads about how the only thing that matters is KDR??
I was wondering if any Goonswarm can help out to show a contrary viewpoint in line with EVE??
(when ISK transfers go live).
The KDR kittens think that getting kills gets them ISK as if a few hundred Ks worth is money??

They forget that the winner of a match is the side who has a SURVIVING MCC and not the KDR kittens waving an AR.
What am I on about??
Low skilled folks wipeing the floor with the KDR kittens.

What decides an MCC versus MCC match is the amount of damage done to an MCC.
Folks with a lot! of ISK but few skills versus folks with a lot! of skills but hardly any ISK.
Follow??

The MILITIA null cannons do the most damage to the MCC.
PROTO deployable null cannons do a lot more damage but cost a lot more.

One side has no money to buy these.
One side has the ISK to buy them.

What happens when one side has ten proto null cannons and the other side can barely buy five MILITIA null cannons?

DPS.

What side is going to have more DPS??
The no skill but ISK rich folks.

KDR means nothing!! if you are UNABLE to field a good level of equipment.

What decides an MCC versus MCC match is the amount of damage done to an MCC.
Folks with a lot! of ISK but few skills versus folks with a lot! of skills but hardly any ISK.
Follow??.

Yeah right you forget that skilled players know how to use their equipment properly. A n00b who thinks he can dominate now with a high end tank gets his butt kicked when they face a good team. Seriously think before posting. Look at this like that:
what is a proto null canon on the ground good for if you lose controll over it?
What are tanks good for when the other team is good and coordinates their AV guys?
What is a proto assault rifle good for when the user cant even hit the broad side of a barn? <---Point 3.

Seriously skill> gear any time. And besides good players will allways have more and better gear then n00bs simply because good players doesnt die so much like n00bs who go 0-10. After all every player started with 0. Means every 1 had militia gear to begin with. You might want to get the new merc pack to get permament access to Type-1 suits cause everything else is to expensive to get.

Yeah right you forget that skilled players know how to use their equipment properly. A n00b who thinks he can dominate now with a high end tank gets his butt kicked when they face a good team. Seriously think before posting. Look at this like that:
what is a proto null canon on the ground good for if you lose controll over it?
What are tanks good for when the other team is good and coordinates their AV guys?
What is a proto assault rifle good for when the user cant even hit the broad side of a barn?

Seriously skill> gear any time. And besides good players will allways have more and better gear then n00bs simply because good players doesnt die so much like n00bs who go 0-10. After all every player started with 0. Means every 1 had militia gear to begin with. You might want to get the new merc pack to get permament access to Type-1 suits cause everything else is to expensive to get.

in any case 1 bil really isnt that much ISK, considering that the Warbarge is carrier, if not super carrier sized which can cost up to tens of billions of isk!

but also yes, skill over gear every time

I vaguely remember CCP saying how, once you control a piece of sovereign territory, you'll be able to deploy your own cannons, ammo supply assets, etc. I'm sure it'll be within the parameters of a template with a number of possible deployment combinations...so you prob won't be able to move redlines, or place assets anywhere other than x-number of predetermined location possibilities.

Ya know I keep seeing these threads about how the only thing that matters is KDR??
I was wondering if any Goonswarm can help out to show a contrary viewpoint in line with EVE??
(when ISK transfers go live).
The KDR kittens think that getting kills gets them ISK as if a few hundred Ks worth is money??

They forget that the winner of a match is the side who has a SURVIVING MCC and not the KDR kittens waving an AR.
What am I on about??
Low skilled folks wipeing the floor with the KDR kittens.

What decides an MCC versus MCC match is the amount of damage done to an MCC.
Folks with a lot! of ISK but few skills versus folks with a lot! of skills but hardly any ISK.
Follow??

The MILITIA null cannons do the most damage to the MCC.(so far in this build)
PROTO deployable null cannons do a lot more damage but cost a lot more.(maybe in this next build).

One side has no money to buy these.
One side has the ISK to buy them.

What happens when one side has ten proto null cannons and the other side can barely PURCHASE five MILITIA null cannons?

DPS.

What side is going to have more DPS??
The no skill but ISK rich folks.

KDR means nothing!! if you are UNABLE to field a good level of equipment.


Controlling five militia level null cannons means nothing if the enemy can field ten proto null cannons at the red zone.

benefit vs cost .... its the fitting struggle on a map scale.

As far as I know there wont be any money transfers between Dust and EVE only through CONTRACTS will EVE pod pilots be able to give money to Dust mercs. If CCP will allow money transfers then they have broke the game... Wait it's already broke!

As far as I know there wont be any money transfers between Dust and EVE only through CONTRACTS will EVE pod pilots be able to give money to Dust mercs. If CCP will allow money transfers then they have broke the game... Wait it's already broke!

If the market's are going to intertwine then it isn't hard to xfer money between characters, all be it with a little tax on the end.
Somone takes a Shield Module or Armor Module, puts it on the Market for we'll say 500M, no one is gonna buy it cause it's a ridiculous price, gets on their Eve Character and buys it from their Dust Merc. There you xferred the money, and can still turn around and sell the shield mod for a normal price. Also, you might get lucky and some ****** that isn't reading or is in a hurry actually just buys it for 500M.

People who focus on KDR just use it as a scapegoat when their team got their arse handed to them. Let all the scrub players from MAG talk about how 1337 they are.

That ish is easy guys. Used to be a sniper in MAG, sniping hundreds of para-jumpers. It's easy as hell. No skill involved in it at all. I dare anyone to face me with militia gear and no SP. Just pure gun fighting skill.

Nobody would do it because they all use their lolthukkers and easy mode ARs.

I wasn't pointing anybody out, just some egoic players that deserve to be beaten down.

And to be honest I dont even know why I brought that up. I guess cause you said KDR.

Silly thread. I'll take your Proto cannons, blow up your MCC, take the district and chuckle at the "KDR doesn't matter" crowd. You can't defend your cannons if you're dead/respawning. These threads go round in circles.

"if I do such&such KDR isn't important"
"but you are dead and respawning"
"I'm back and I'll ha...
"gotcha again"
"argh fine I'll bring a...
"gotcha again"

I think you mean if ISK transfers ever are allowed between Dust and EVE.

Ya know I keep seeing these threads about how the only thing that matters is KDR??
I was wondering if any Goonswarm can help out to show a contrary viewpoint in line with EVE??
(when ISK transfers go live).
The KDR kittens think that getting kills gets them ISK as if a few hundred Ks worth is money??

They forget that the winner of a match is the side who has a SURVIVING MCC and not the KDR kittens waving an AR.
What am I on about??
Low skilled folks wipeing the floor with the KDR kittens.

What decides an MCC versus MCC match is the amount of damage done to an MCC.
Folks with a lot! of ISK but few skills versus folks with a lot! of skills but hardly any ISK.
Follow??

The MILITIA null cannons do the most damage to the MCC.(so far in this build)
PROTO deployable null cannons do a lot more damage but cost a lot more.(maybe in this next build).

One side has no money to buy these.
One side has the ISK to buy them.

What happens when one side has ten proto null cannons and the other side can barely PURCHASE five MILITIA null cannons?

DPS.

What side is going to have more DPS??
The no skill but ISK rich folks.

KDR means nothing!! if you are UNABLE to field a good level of equipment.


Controlling five militia level null cannons means nothing if the enemy can field ten proto null cannons at the red zone.

I'm not sure what the talk about GSF taking over DUST 514 is about. DUST 514 will not affect nul-sec sovreignty at launch of DUST 514 and I suspect that aspect will never be implemented or if so then DUST operations will not have that much effect on sovreignty at all.

DUST 514 will mainly be concerned with Factional Warfare boundaries in New Eden as far as I can see.

Dust is going to be THE major Sov mechanic. Have you not been reading the intreviews and things?

If I had 1 billion isk I would probably just horde it all and sit there looking like this guy

Are you going to be chuckling when you and all your KDR buddies get melted from orbit by no-skill n00bs in whatever Dreads or whatnot they are using for Orbital Bombardment?

nice to see the trolls are out even if they dont play anymore, the others should be due in for a visit soon.

*boil's tea*

Your point instantly goes out the window when you realize that high skilled players will receive the most funding

You kill me with a 100mil ISK spaceship and yes, I'll be chuckling. Because we'll still win the ground war, and I believe the phrase is "all ur base r mine".
Yes, I'll chuckle. I'll be flattered too.

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I just read skill here skill there... This is all bullshit, the one and only thing that matters is a team that works together and communicates.. I don't give a damn about skill.. If the team sucks there is no way out.. There can be 5 newcomer only with militia gear they still rule the field if they use COM...

People who play this game need to understand that they need a fuc-king mic to communicate with the teammates..

Still to many don't fuc-king have a mic and that's the problem.

Your point instantly goes out the window when you realize that high skilled players will receive the most funding

for a dust player 1 billion would be damn alot. Maybe not for a Eve player but you have to consider the payment we get at the moment.

that is true, a billion is quite a lot for us; hell ive got 62mil ISK, and i feel im quite comfy w/ how my wallet is

It comes back in the window when you realize that the individual contract bounties aren't going to be funding any significant wars. Once a duster can be in an Eve based corp, the corporation wallet can be stuffed to the gills with Eve ISK. Corporate funding will eventually come from taxes and planetary complex ownership profits. Only very horrible and short lived alliances ask their troops to pay for their own gear.

Once the market opens up you'll also find very sharp market players that rarely fight but make tons more ISK than the highly skilled shooter.

Tbh, KDR "kittens" (LoL, that's actually funny. Meow) who are part of a rich corp will simply win all day everyday? I'm tempted to go GOON. You all make it sound like a free merc won't be able to pick his fights :P

I think you're missing the point.

Who's going to fund a corp full of scrubs over a corp full of efficient, ruthless killers?

A lot of people will if im honest.

People would rather put their money into a corp they know they can trust and has the political motivations than a neutral party that could go **** goons on them, skills not as important as trust in this game.

You'll find this a lot, even after i've been chatting with a lot of people in EVE and their respective alliances you'll find this is the general feeling, You're not going to be "for hire" every match, you're going to have to pick a side and stick with it for quite some time to get anything of value.

You kill me with a 100mil ISK spaceship and yes, I'll be chuckling. Because we'll still win the ground war, and I believe the phrase is "all ur base r mine".
Yes, I'll chuckle. I'll be flattered too.

First off, your math is a little off-- Dreadscost a littlemore than100m ISK

Secondly, you will not have "won the ground war" when your clone reserves get depleted by PL glassing the planet with a fleet of SuperCarriers just because they can.

Lastly, you misspelled flattened.

You obviously don't know how OS works. There will be cool downs you'll also have to make sure the enemy can't fire back or what if they have a space fleet of there own. I love the fact that some people think they'll just be shooting strikes all day!

I just read skill here skill there... This is all bullshit, the one and only thing that matters is a team that works together and communicates.. I don't give a damn about skill.. If the team sucks there is no way out.. There can be 5 newcomer only with militia gear they still rule the field if they use COM...

People who play this game need to understand that they need a fuc-king mic to communicate with the teammates..

Still to many don't fuc-king have a mic and that's the problem.

Well trust is obviously important, but if I had a big corp in EVE I'd want our ISK going to mercs that can get the job done, not just ones that I know won't try to clear out our wallet. What's the point in having all that money if you can't even take back a simple district?

Aaaaaaaammmmmeeeeen MICs people.

Because that ISK that you got could be used to fuel your single account for a very long time if you not only screwed over the corp that the contract is from but the corp that your in.

Trust is the most precious asset available in this game. If you're a simple Merc fighting for the higest bidder you won't get the big contracts because of the level of trust involved, they will be kept internally because of the importance of them and the ISK involved.

EVE has Merc corps in it already, who fight for the highest bidder no matter their side or size and non of them are major players because of the ramifications of not being involved with anything and having no trust, they are not rich, they just about get by typically.

There's been many instances of these merc corps swapping sides in a fight because they got a better offer, you'd do the same in their position if your only interest is your bank account and fair play if thats all you want but you'd be missing out on a lot the game has to offer if you don't fight for a cause.

I guess we'll just have to see. I think the mega alliances are going to be doing some heavy handed politicking to get the strong players on their sides. Like I said, who cares how many assets you have when your soldiers are constantly being stomped into the ground and your planets keep being taken away from you. Scrubs are good fillers, and they'll do alright if you arm them to the teeth, but at the end of the day, skill trumps ISK, all day, every day.

Another aspect lacking right now is in a corp you run missions with the same group. While STD and a handful of others...

STD has been changed to STI, for your information...

. Glory hounds need to go back to cod or mag and leave us alone. Oh wait, they left those games cause they weren't fun anymore. Oh, why is that? Cause everyone's a glory hound and a pain in the a**? Ahh. That's too bad

Another aspect lacking right now is in a corp you run missions with the same group. While STD and a handful of others already run together, things will change when everyone is used to how their team plays. Kdr kittens get most of their kills on solo stragglers and new guys. When each squad is formed with friends, they will have to change their game just like the tankers.

There will always be the 'oh crap! Sonso is here!' moments. But those will become more focused to corps/alliances than certain players.

On the money concepts flying around. A corp is going to be a bit more pissed that their mercs lost the 2bill isk MCC than they'll be happy that you topped the chart again. I don't care what suit your in or how much it costs, the goal is always the win. Glory hounds need to go back to cod or mag and leave us alone. Oh wait, they left those games cause they weren't fun anymore. Oh, why is that? Cause everyone's a glory hound and a pain in the a**? Ahh. That's too bad

Yeah right you forget that skilled players know how to use their equipment properly. A n00b who thinks he can dominate now with a high end tank gets his butt kicked when they face a good team. Seriously think before posting. Look at this like that:
what is a proto null canon on the ground good for if you lose controll over it?
What are tanks good for when the other team is good and coordinates their AV guys?
What is a proto assault rifle good for when the user cant even hit the broad side of a barn?

Seriously skill> gear any time. And besides good players will allways have more and better gear then n00bs simply because good players doesnt die so much like n00bs who go 0-10. After all every player started with 0. Means every 1 had militia gear to begin with. You might want to get the new merc pack to get permament access to Type-1 suits cause everything else is to expensive to get.

Will we even have deployable null cannons or even proto null cannons considering they're an objective? And wouldn't any behind the redline push the redline back to avoid nub insta win

its ccp we're talking about here ofc u will! Just cause we have these lame pre-made objectives doesn't mean that thats it. some player owned territories i imagine will have null cannons set by them. so in other words your going after realish objectives that players have invested time and real money into. for instance players in eve can make stations, in null sec that station might be a tactical objective for the attacking side. again time and money was spent on that station.

That's it.

DANCE OFF!!!!

::ms ms ms::

lol you have found the underlying concept of dust right now.