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HK-40
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:09:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:one thing that would go a long way to stopping this.
fix the game.
make it fun, make it interesting, make it exciting and worth playing.
sorry but honestly it's gameplay as it stands is boring as hell.
There is no reason to play, nothing to play for and no one cares about winning / losing, it's just a point grab or see how many kills i get to make me look like i'm good.
the stupid little things that make people want to '' play the game '' and make it fun are sorely lacking.
Yep, its a beta. If it were a finished game that would be a valid point. As it is we are volunteer testers for an unfinished product. Such is the downside of 'testing' computer coding. |
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:15:00 -
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HK-40 wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:one thing that would go a long way to stopping this.
fix the game.
make it fun, make it interesting, make it exciting and worth playing.
sorry but honestly it's gameplay as it stands is boring as hell.
There is no reason to play, nothing to play for and no one cares about winning / losing, it's just a point grab or see how many kills i get to make me look like i'm good.
the stupid little things that make people want to '' play the game '' and make it fun are sorely lacking. Yep, its a beta. If it were a finished game that would be a valid point. As it is we are volunteer testers for an unfinished product. Such is the downside of 'testing' computer coding.
then i guess everyone should stop moaning until its released, then we can all just not play it for said reasons. |
HK-40
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:18:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:HK-40 wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:one thing that would go a long way to stopping this.
fix the game.
make it fun, make it interesting, make it exciting and worth playing.
sorry but honestly it's gameplay as it stands is boring as hell.
There is no reason to play, nothing to play for and no one cares about winning / losing, it's just a point grab or see how many kills i get to make me look like i'm good.
the stupid little things that make people want to '' play the game '' and make it fun are sorely lacking. Yep, its a beta. If it were a finished game that would be a valid point. As it is we are volunteer testers for an unfinished product. Such is the downside of 'testing' computer coding. then i guess everyone should stop moaning until its released, then we can all just not play it for said reasons.
We are only testing little bits and pieces at a time, so cannot be expected to get the full 'experience'. Fair enough pointing out problems, and coming up with good solutions, but mindless ranting and drooling (not aimed at you) won't help make a point. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:18:00 -
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smh sometimes i wonder CCP..... why have a cap? makes no sense if someone is playing well they should be rewarded and like noc said if its based on doin a certain amount of actions alot then thats gonna hurt the "slayers" as Regnum said. Slayers jobs are to kill and defend their obj players while they cap the objective and to help secure the area so their obj players can have an easier time cappin objectives
HOPEFULLY it wont affect something like kills but still it hurts logi players if its gonna cap actions like repairs |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:20:00 -
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If I had decided to fix the problem with a warpoint/skillpoint cap, I suppose what comes to mind first is a tight cap on repairing incidental damage(maybe the total hp of the vehicle, just pulling anumber out of my a**) and no cap on repairing damage taken from enemy fire.
And no cap on warpoint/skillpoints for kills/hacks/etc.
I don't see the downside to this. It doesn't restrict player behavior, and it doesn't reward farming. Done. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:21:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:smh sometimes i wonder CCP..... why have a cap? makes no sense if someone is playing well they should be rewarded and like noc said if its based on doin a certain amount of actions alot then thats gonna hurt the "slayers" as Regnum said. Slayers jobs are to kill and defend their obj players while they cap the objective and to help secure the area so their obj players can have an easier time cappin objectives
HOPEFULLY it wont affect something like kills but still it hurts logi players if its gonna cap actions like repairs
If it's a daily cap it'd just balance everything out so that no-one could soar past anyone else. I like the idea and fully support it because that's how Eve Online works. No-one has any means of advancing faster than anyone else that could not get the exact same capabilities. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:22:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:If I had decided to fix the problem with a warpoint/skillpoint cap, I suppose what comes to mind first is a tight cap on repairing incidental or damage(maybe the total hp of the vehicle, just pulling anumber out of my a**) and no cap on repairing damage taken from enemy fire.
And no cap on warpoint/skillpoints for kills/hacks/etc.
I don't see the downside to this. It doesn't restrict player behavior, and it doesn't reward farming. Done.
But it does restrict memory bandwidth in game by having an entire system to calculate whether or not 'x' damage was inflicted by 'y' circumstance and whether or not 'x' damage should or should not be repaired by 'z' person.
Now multiply that by every single vehicle/player in the game and you've got a huge issue. |
ReGnUM SLAYER DEI
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:28:00 -
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THE NERD HAVE TAKEN OVER MY THREAD HELP ME |
Drake Lyons
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:28:00 -
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ReGnUM SLAYER DEI wrote:THE NERD HAVE TAKEN OVER MY THREAD HELP ME
...and squished by a tank.
Let's get back on track... |
Damnit itsThat GuyAgain
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:29:00 -
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^ ReGnUM DISAPPROVES [<___________<]
ReGnUM ANGWY |
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:29:00 -
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All i cna see hear from all the moaning is a lot of people who don't play many FPS games.
In EVERY game i've ever played this happens.............. EVRY SINGLE ONE.
The games where it happens least or not at all are the ones people actually get more fun etc. out of actually playing the game.
yes i know its a beta...........
but it's so so boring that is why people are looking for ways to get more kills ( i.e. tanks )
to get more SP to try stuff out ( hence farming )
for gods sake make people enjoy and want to play this or it's good night. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:33:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:All i cna see hear from all the moaning is a lot of people who don't play many FPS games.
In EVERY game i've ever played this happens.............. EVRY SINGLE ONE.
The games where it happens least or not at all are the ones people actually get more fun etc. out of actually playing the game.
yes i know its a beta...........
but it's so so boring that is why people are looking for ways to get more kills ( i.e. tanks )
to get more SP to try stuff out ( hence farming )
for gods sake make people enjoy and want to play this or it's good night.
You haven't played many persistent territory games then mate. Go give Aion a shot or something - might very well change your opinion. |
Drake Lyons
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:35:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:All i cna see hear from all the moaning is a lot of people who don't play many FPS games.
In EVERY game i've ever played this happens.............. EVRY SINGLE ONE.
The games where it happens least or not at all are the ones people actually get more fun etc. out of actually playing the game.
yes i know its a beta...........
but it's so so boring that is why people are looking for ways to get more kills ( i.e. tanks )
to get more SP to try stuff out ( hence farming )
for gods sake make people enjoy and want to play this or it's good night.
There is truth here.
I'm actually a bit interested, though. This is a beta. Which is about to be reset. So there are people in a beta purposefully gaming the system to get extra points...that they know they are about to lose. I'd love to know the motivation. Is cheating and getting big numbers just novel? Is it actually more fun than playing? So people need the SP to be competitive?
I hope the next build can bring back the fun with reduced playability issues, better balance from the start, and some new features (corps!). |
HK-40
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:36:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:All i cna see hear from all the moaning is a lot of people who don't play many FPS games.
In EVERY game i've ever played this happens.............. EVRY SINGLE ONE.
The games where it happens least or not at all are the ones people actually get more fun etc. out of actually playing the game.
yes i know its a beta...........
but it's so so boring that is why people are looking for ways to get more kills ( i.e. tanks )
to get more SP to try stuff out ( hence farming )
for gods sake make people enjoy and want to play this or it's good night. You haven't played many persistent territory games then mate. Go give Aion a shot or something - might very well change your opinion.
Ignoring the fact that this is a beta, many seem to think this is basically 'just' a 'shootemup' game and don't get the EVE connection as yet. The remainder of the puzzle will be awesome to behold.
And yes, i'm fed up with this current build of the beta also, so bring on the next build please.
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:41:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:All i cna see hear from all the moaning is a lot of people who don't play many FPS games.
In EVERY game i've ever played this happens.............. EVRY SINGLE ONE.
The games where it happens least or not at all are the ones people actually get more fun etc. out of actually playing the game.
yes i know its a beta...........
but it's so so boring that is why people are looking for ways to get more kills ( i.e. tanks )
to get more SP to try stuff out ( hence farming )
for gods sake make people enjoy and want to play this or it's good night. You haven't played many persistent territory games then mate. Go give Aion a shot or something - might very well change your opinion.
What is wrong with you people, i dont know or care if its an eve versus fps thing. An '' i like this and so should you '' thing.
I dont care.............. but i'm telling you i have played enough pc games and console games to know what makes people play and keep playing and what doesn't.
right now the way this stands. i'm sorry, it's terrible.
Oh and before i get some troll say '' well give your reasons ''
I am not prepared to wrote a five page essay on whats wrong and how to fix it.
if ccp want to pay me to sort this gmae out fine till then. |
ReGnUM SLAYER DEI
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:43:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:All i cna see hear from all the moaning is a lot of people who don't play many FPS games.
In EVERY game i've ever played this happens.............. EVRY SINGLE ONE.
The games where it happens least or not at all are the ones people actually get more fun etc. out of actually playing the game.
yes i know its a beta...........
but it's so so boring that is why people are looking for ways to get more kills ( i.e. tanks )
to get more SP to try stuff out ( hence farming )
for gods sake make people enjoy and want to play this or it's good night. You haven't played many persistent territory games then mate. Go give Aion a shot or something - might very well change your opinion. What is wrong with you people, i dont know or care if its an eve versus fps thing. An '' i like this and so should you '' thing. I dont care.............. but i'm telling you i have played enough pc games and console games to know what makes people play and keep playing and what doesn't. right now the way this stands. i'm sorry, it's terrible. Oh and before i get some troll say '' well give your reasons '' I am not prepared to wrote a five page essay on whats wrong and how to fix it. if ccp want to pay me to sort this gmae out fine till then.
Once again WARRIORS have risen in my eyes |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:50:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:All i cna see hear from all the moaning is a lot of people who don't play many FPS games.
In EVERY game i've ever played this happens.............. EVRY SINGLE ONE.
The games where it happens least or not at all are the ones people actually get more fun etc. out of actually playing the game.
yes i know its a beta...........
but it's so so boring that is why people are looking for ways to get more kills ( i.e. tanks )
to get more SP to try stuff out ( hence farming )
for gods sake make people enjoy and want to play this or it's good night. You haven't played many persistent territory games then mate. Go give Aion a shot or something - might very well change your opinion. What is wrong with you people, i dont know or care if its an eve versus fps thing. An '' i like this and so should you '' thing. I dont care.............. but i'm telling you i have played enough pc games and console games to know what makes people play and keep playing and what doesn't. right now the way this stands. i'm sorry, it's terrible. Oh and before i get some troll say '' well give your reasons '' I am not prepared to wrote a five page essay on whats wrong and how to fix it. if ccp want to pay me to sort this gmae out fine till then.
So - you read my response in the wrong light. That wasn't posted up in some form of arrogance or "eve vs whatever" manner - I was just telling you that people who are going to be playing this game are going to be playing it because it's something they can invest in. Aion ain't the greatest game in the world but people play it - and they're freaggin serious about it.
This is a niche game. Gaining more frakkin' SP just because you're playing more often or are "better" (hah) isn't what's going to make this game playable or increase it's replayability factor - it's the action/consequence effect and persistent risk/rewards factors. |
Seran Jinkar
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:54:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:All i cna see hear from all the moaning is a lot of people who don't play many FPS games.
In EVERY game i've ever played this happens.............. EVRY SINGLE ONE.
The games where it happens least or not at all are the ones people actually get more fun etc. out of actually playing the game.
yes i know its a beta...........
but it's so so boring that is why people are looking for ways to get more kills ( i.e. tanks )
to get more SP to try stuff out ( hence farming )
for gods sake make people enjoy and want to play this or it's good night. You haven't played many persistent territory games then mate. Go give Aion a shot or something - might very well change your opinion. What is wrong with you people, i dont know or care if its an eve versus fps thing. An '' i like this and so should you '' thing. I dont care.............. but i'm telling you i have played enough pc games and console games to know what makes people play and keep playing and what doesn't. right now the way this stands. i'm sorry, it's terrible. Oh and before i get some troll say '' well give your reasons '' I am not prepared to wrote a five page essay on whats wrong and how to fix it. if ccp want to pay me to sort this gmae out fine till then. So - you read my response in the wrong light. That wasn't posted up in some form of arrogance or "eve vs whatever" manner - I was just telling you that people who are going to be playing this game are going to be playing it because it's something they can invest in. Aion ain't the greatest game in the world but people play it - and they're freaggin serious about it. This is a niche game. Gaining more frakkin' SP just because you're playing more often or are "better" (hah) isn't what's going to make this game playable or increase it's replayability factor - it's the action/consequence effect and persistent risk/rewards factors.
Yet farming SP in the red zone where you are perfectly safe and risking nothing doesn't sound very freaggin serious to me. Rather sounds like an exploit in a mechanism that was intended to enumerate CONTRIBUTION. Doing nothing doesn't sound like contribution at all.
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Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.09.25 15:01:00 -
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Seran Jinkar wrote:
Yet farming SP in the red zone where you are perfectly safe and risking nothing doesn't sound very freaggin serious to me. Rather sounds like an exploit in a mechanism that was intended to enumerate CONTRIBUTION. Doing nothing doesn't sound like contribution at all.
Imposing a cap would make it to where the value of doing that wasn't as worthwhile as it wouldn't matter -what- you were doing you'd still be prevented from doing it far too often.
You can't just up and ban people for doing it because there's cause for concern/room for error in it being abused or a legitimate vehicle repair. What happens if my team has a three main Logistics team that is purposefully sitting at base to repair incoming dropships/LAVs so that we don't run as high of a risk of them losing Prototype gear on the field - hanging behind the frontline where they can dedicate their entire focus to their specialization?
I'm all for balance and this fix seems like it kills two birds with one stone. Once the children quit crying foul because they're no longer able to power-game then everything will calm down and even out. |
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.09.25 15:02:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:All i cna see hear from all the moaning is a lot of people who don't play many FPS games.
In EVERY game i've ever played this happens.............. EVRY SINGLE ONE.
The games where it happens least or not at all are the ones people actually get more fun etc. out of actually playing the game.
yes i know its a beta...........
but it's so so boring that is why people are looking for ways to get more kills ( i.e. tanks )
to get more SP to try stuff out ( hence farming )
for gods sake make people enjoy and want to play this or it's good night. You haven't played many persistent territory games then mate. Go give Aion a shot or something - might very well change your opinion. What is wrong with you people, i dont know or care if its an eve versus fps thing. An '' i like this and so should you '' thing. I dont care.............. but i'm telling you i have played enough pc games and console games to know what makes people play and keep playing and what doesn't. right now the way this stands. i'm sorry, it's terrible. Oh and before i get some troll say '' well give your reasons '' I am not prepared to wrote a five page essay on whats wrong and how to fix it. if ccp want to pay me to sort this gmae out fine till then. So - you read my response in the wrong light. That wasn't posted up in some form of arrogance or "eve vs whatever" manner - I was just telling you that people who are going to be playing this game are going to be playing it because it's something they can invest in. Aion ain't the greatest game in the world but people play it - and they're freaggin serious about it. This is a niche game. Gaining more frakkin' SP just because you're playing more often or are "better" (hah) isn't what's going to make this game playable or increase it's replayability factor - it's the action/consequence effect and persistent risk/rewards factors.
Look I'm sorry i wasn't aswering you directly, i was answering in generall, just happened to quote your post as its in the same vein.
I am what i guess you would call a '' hard core gamer '' and i have seen what works and what doesn't.
COD is popular because its a kids and casuals game.
farcry2 was in the middle because it took an age to rank stuff but could be played for 5 mins then left.
MAG was popular at first, was an adults game and took teamwork and skill. it died because of sony and zipper and was not supported.
these are just games i've used to try to explain.
yes this will be a neiche market to a large extent but it still has to make whoever plays it..... want to play it. |
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2012.09.25 15:04:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:
Look I'm sorry i wasn't aswering you directly, i was answering in generall, just happened to quote your post as its in the same vein.
I am what i guess you would call a '' hard core gamer '' and i have seen what works and what doesn't.
COD is popular because its a kids and casuals game.
farcry2 was in the middle because it took an age to rank stuff but could be played for 5 mins then left.
MAG was popular at first, was an adults game and took teamwork and skill. it died because of sony and zipper and was not supported.
these are just games i've used to try to explain.
yes this will be a neiche market to a large extent but it still has to make whoever plays it..... want to play it.
Well what's not to love about crushing forum trolls/warriors with brutal efficiency in a virtual world and backing them so far into a corner that they have to hire out another corporation to do anything about it =P |
Katya Thurn
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.25 15:05:00 -
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Seems to be a lot of moaning in this thread. It is a beta and you have all volunteered or asked to play it. There is miles more stuff to be added to the game and I suspect if they want to make a good job of it then it will not be released until well into 2013. If you want to play a completed game play something else. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.09.25 15:07:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:
Look I'm sorry i wasn't aswering you directly, i was answering in generall, just happened to quote your post as its in the same vein.
I am what i guess you would call a '' hard core gamer '' and i have seen what works and what doesn't.
COD is popular because its a kids and casuals game.
farcry2 was in the middle because it took an age to rank stuff but could be played for 5 mins then left.
MAG was popular at first, was an adults game and took teamwork and skill. it died because of sony and zipper and was not supported.
these are just games i've used to try to explain.
yes this will be a neiche market to a large extent but it still has to make whoever plays it..... want to play it.
Well what's not to love about crushing forum trolls/warriors with brutal efficiency in a virtual world and backing them so far into a corner that they have to hire out another corporation to do anything about it =P Can't wait for next build |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
462
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Posted - 2012.09.25 15:10:00 -
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Turn on ff and let the problem sort itself out |
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.09.25 15:11:00 -
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Katya Thurn wrote:Seems to be a lot of moaning in this thread. It is a beta and you have all volunteered or asked to play it. There is miles more stuff to be added to the game and I suspect if they want to make a good job of it then it will not be released until well into 2013. If you want to play a completed game play something else.
Really .......... this is your contribution...........
It's been on sale with the merc pack.........
it was released to playstation plus players..........
now its coming out in a bundle pack...........
Honestly, how many people do you really think will try this and not delete it after a few hours ?
something miraculous better happen next build, or good night Vienna. |
Sean Dustbunny
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.09.25 15:13:00 -
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A cap for a given activity is a bad solution. People need to specialize in order to become good, so encouraging them to perform a variety of tasks is counter-productive. A general cap is a terrible solution. It punishes the players for the cheaters' offenses.
The obvious solution would be to make cheating easily reportable and bannable (if there are logs). False reporting should be bannable too, obviously.
Also, giving an SP reward for winning the match would discourage players from sitting in their corner, doing their stuff, and encourage them to participate instead. |
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.09.25 15:14:00 -
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slap26 wrote:Turn on ff and let the problem sort itself out
lol............ you really have no idea.......
things will get a hundred times worse and there will be many many more dust deletions from ps3's. |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.09.25 15:16:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:slap26 wrote:Turn on ff and let the problem sort itself out lol............ you really have no idea....... things will get a hundred times worse and there will be many many more dust deletions from ps3's.
After looking at the forums, I welcome that result. |
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.09.25 15:17:00 -
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Sean Dustbunny wrote:A cap for a given activity is a bad solution. People need to specialize in order to become good, so encouraging them to perform a variety of tasks is counter-productive. A general cap is a terrible solution. It punishes the players for the cheaters' offenses.
The obvious solution would be to make cheating easily reportable and bannable (if there are logs). False reporting should be bannable too, obviously.
Also, giving an SP reward for winning the match would discourage players from sitting in their corner, doing their stuff, and encourage them to participate instead.
How the hell is this cheating, its bad game making not cheating for gods sake, anyone in the game can do it, not just a few players.
was driving around abusing tanks for months cheating then ? |
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.09.25 15:17:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote:slap26 wrote:Turn on ff and let the problem sort itself out lol............ you really have no idea....... things will get a hundred times worse and there will be many many more dust deletions from ps3's. After looking at the forums, I welcome that result.
have fun playing with yourself then............. lol. |
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