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ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.25 14:06:00 - [1] - Quote one thing that would go a long way to stopping this. fix the game. make it fun, make it interesting, make it exciting and worth playing. sorry but honestly it's gameplay as it stands is boring as hell. There is no reason to play, nothing to play for and no one cares about winning / losing, it's just a point grab or see how many kills i get to make me look like i'm good. the stupid little things that make people want to '' play the game '' and make it fun are sorely lacking.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.25 14:15:00 - [2] - Quote HK-40 wrote: ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote: one thing that would go a long way to stopping this. fix the game. make it fun, make it interesting, make it exciting and worth playing. sorry but honestly it's gameplay as it stands is boring as hell. There is no reason to play, nothing to play for and no one cares about winning / losing, it's just a point grab or see how many kills i get to make me look like i'm good. the stupid little things that make people want to '' play the game '' and make it fun are sorely lacking. Yep, its a beta. If it were a finished game that would be a valid point. As it is we are volunteer testers for an unfinished product. Such is the downside of 'testing' computer coding. then i guess everyone should stop moaning until its released, then we can all just not play it for said reasons.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.25 14:29:00 - [3] - Quote All i cna see hear from all the moaning is a lot of people who don't play many FPS games. In EVERY game i've ever played this happens.............. EVRY SINGLE ONE. The games where it happens least or not at all are the ones people actually get more fun etc. out of actually playing the game. yes i know its a beta........... but it's so so boring that is why people are looking for ways to get more kills ( i.e. tanks ) to get more SP to try stuff out ( hence farming ) for gods sake make people enjoy and want to play this or it's good night.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.25 14:41:00 - [4] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote: All i cna see hear from all the moaning is a lot of people who don't play many FPS games. In EVERY game i've ever played this happens.............. EVRY SINGLE ONE. The games where it happens least or not at all are the ones people actually get more fun etc. out of actually playing the game. yes i know its a beta........... but it's so so boring that is why people are looking for ways to get more kills ( i.e. tanks ) to get more SP to try stuff out ( hence farming ) for gods sake make people enjoy and want to play this or it's good night. You haven't played many persistent territory games then mate. Go give Aion a shot or something - might very well change your opinion. What is wrong with you people, i dont know or care if its an eve versus fps thing. An '' i like this and so should you '' thing. I dont care.............. but i'm telling you i have played enough pc games and console games to know what makes people play and keep playing and what doesn't. right now the way this stands. i'm sorry, it's terrible. Oh and before i get some troll say '' well give your reasons '' I am not prepared to wrote a five page essay on whats wrong and how to fix it. if ccp want to pay me to sort this gmae out fine till then.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.25 15:02:00 - [5] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote: All i cna see hear from all the moaning is a lot of people who don't play many FPS games. In EVERY game i've ever played this happens.............. EVRY SINGLE ONE. The games where it happens least or not at all are the ones people actually get more fun etc. out of actually playing the game. yes i know its a beta........... but it's so so boring that is why people are looking for ways to get more kills ( i.e. tanks ) to get more SP to try stuff out ( hence farming ) for gods sake make people enjoy and want to play this or it's good night. You haven't played many persistent territory games then mate. Go give Aion a shot or something - might very well change your opinion. What is wrong with you people, i dont know or care if its an eve versus fps thing. An '' i like this and so should you '' thing. I dont care.............. but i'm telling you i have played enough pc games and console games to know what makes people play and keep playing and what doesn't. right now the way this stands. i'm sorry, it's terrible. Oh and before i get some troll say '' well give your reasons '' I am not prepared to wrote a five page essay on whats wrong and how to fix it. if ccp want to pay me to sort this gmae out fine till then. So - you read my response in the wrong light. That wasn't posted up in some form of arrogance or "eve vs whatever" manner - I was just telling you that people who are going to be playing this game are going to be playing it because it's something they can invest in. Aion ain't the greatest game in the world but people play it - and they're freaggin serious about it. This is a niche game. Gaining more frakkin' SP just because you're playing more often or are "better" (hah) isn't what's going to make this game playable or increase it's replayability factor - it's the action/consequence effect and persistent risk/rewards factors. Look I'm sorry i wasn't aswering you directly, i was answering in generall, just happened to quote your post as its in the same vein. I am what i guess you would call a '' hard core gamer '' and i have seen what works and what doesn't. COD is popular because its a kids and casuals game. farcry2 was in the middle because it took an age to rank stuff but could be played for 5 mins then left. MAG was popular at first, was an adults game and took teamwork and skill. it died because of sony and zipper and was not supported. these are just games i've used to try to explain. yes this will be a neiche market to a large extent but it still has to make whoever plays it..... want to play it.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.25 15:11:00 - [6] - Quote Katya Thurn wrote: Seems to be a lot of moaning in this thread. It is a beta and you have all volunteered or asked to play it. There is miles more stuff to be added to the game and I suspect if they want to make a good job of it then it will not be released until well into 2013. If you want to play a completed game play something else. Really .......... this is your contribution........... It's been on sale with the merc pack......... it was released to playstation plus players.......... now its coming out in a bundle pack........... Honestly, how many people do you really think will try this and not delete it after a few hours ? something miraculous better happen next build, or good night Vienna.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.25 15:14:00 - [7] - Quote slap26 wrote: Turn on ff and let the problem sort itself out lol............ you really have no idea....... things will get a hundred times worse and there will be many many more dust deletions from ps3's.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.25 15:17:00 - [8] - Quote Sean Dustbunny wrote: A cap for a given activity is a bad solution. People need to specialize in order to become good, so encouraging them to perform a variety of tasks is counter-productive. A general cap is a terrible solution. It punishes the players for the cheaters' offenses. The obvious solution would be to make cheating easily reportable and bannable (if there are logs). False reporting should be bannable too, obviously. Also, giving an SP reward for winning the match would discourage players from sitting in their corner, doing their stuff, and encourage them to participate instead. How the hell is this cheating, its bad game making not cheating for gods sake, anyone in the game can do it, not just a few players. was driving around abusing tanks for months cheating then ?
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.25 15:17:00 - [9] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote: slap26 wrote: Turn on ff and let the problem sort itself out lol............ you really have no idea....... things will get a hundred times worse and there will be many many more dust deletions from ps3's. After looking at the forums, I welcome that result. have fun playing with yourself then............. lol.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.25 15:25:00 - [10] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote: Katya Thurn wrote: Seems to be a lot of moaning in this thread. It is a beta and you have all volunteered or asked to play it. There is miles more stuff to be added to the game and I suspect if they want to make a good job of it then it will not be released until well into 2013. If you want to play a completed game play something else. Really .......... this is your contribution........... It's been on sale with the merc pack......... it was released to playstation plus players.......... now its coming out in a bundle pack........... Honestly, how many people do you really think will try this and not delete it after a few hours ? something miraculous better happen next build, or good night Vienna. From what I have seen it seems to me like the player base might follow the same pattern EVE does as far as growth, first only appeasing the few gamers and slowly growing over time as the game gets better with new builds. I think we will have enough players by the time we reach null sec with the growing numbers already in a corp and don't forget that more people care to post there dislikes than those who actually like the game. Sorry mate, wrong. this aint eve, its not a pc game, its a console fps. 75% of people i've got to try this have already deleted this or at the very least, said, '' never again '' if this carrys on dust will be a bad memory inside 2 yrs. EDIT..... lol. actually one of my ps3 gaming friends, deleted dust a month ago and now is hooked on eve. ironic eh.

ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.25 15:36:00 - [11] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote: Sean Dustbunny wrote: A cap for a given activity is a bad solution. People need to specialize in order to become good, so encouraging them to perform a variety of tasks is counter-productive. A general cap is a terrible solution. It punishes the players for the cheaters' offenses. The obvious solution would be to make cheating easily reportable and bannable (if there are logs). False reporting should be bannable too, obviously. Also, giving an SP reward for winning the match would discourage players from sitting in their corner, doing their stuff, and encourage them to participate instead. How the hell is this cheating, its bad game making not cheating for gods sake, anyone in the game can do it, not just a few players. was driving around abusing tanks for months cheating then ? YES YES it was. Dirty stinking no good tanks. Damit another dropship on fire brb. lmao............. shut the hell up Sha.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.25 15:42:00 - [12] - Quote Coyskurk wrote: ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote: Sha Kharn Clone wrote: ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote: Sean Dustbunny wrote: A cap for a given activity is a bad solution. People need to specialize in order to become good, so encouraging them to perform a variety of tasks is counter-productive. A general cap is a terrible solution. It punishes the players for the cheaters' offenses. The obvious solution would be to make cheating easily reportable and bannable (if there are logs). False reporting should be bannable too, obviously. Also, giving an SP reward for winning the match would discourage players from sitting in their corner, doing their stuff, and encourage them to participate instead. How the hell is this cheating, its bad game making not cheating for gods sake, anyone in the game can do it, not just a few players. was driving around abusing tanks for months cheating then ? YES YES it was. Dirty stinking no good tanks. Damit another dropship on fire brb. lmao............. shut the hell up Sha. That was intelligent... cough cough three year old cough private joke.......... sha is one of the best players i've played on eu, that was said in fun. i'm sorry you didn't get that............... happy now. oh, btw, no i dont know him and he isn't on my friend list. EDIT.........Ironic you used the word intelligent. but failed to get either post..... cough...lol...cough. back at ya.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.25 15:46:00 - [13] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote: Katya Thurn wrote: Seems to be a lot of moaning in this thread. It is a beta and you have all volunteered or asked to play it. There is miles more stuff to be added to the game and I suspect if they want to make a good job of it then it will not be released until well into 2013. If you want to play a completed game play something else. Really .......... this is your contribution........... It's been on sale with the merc pack......... it was released to playstation plus players.......... now its coming out in a bundle pack........... Honestly, how many people do you really think will try this and not delete it after a few hours ? something miraculous better happen next build, or good night Vienna. From what I have seen it seems to me like the player base might follow the same pattern EVE does as far as growth, first only appeasing the few gamers and slowly growing over time as the game gets better with new builds. I think we will have enough players by the time we reach null sec with the growing numbers already in a corp and don't forget that more people care to post there dislikes than those who actually like the game. Sorry mate, wrong. this aint eve, its not a pc game, its a console fps. 75% of people i've got to try this have already deleted this or at the very least, said, '' never again '' if this carrys on dust will be a bad memory inside 2 yrs. EDIT..... lol. actually one of my ps3 gaming friends, deleted dust a month ago and now is hooked on eve. ironic eh. I'd like to wait til open beta before I make any final decision, we are supposed to get an overhaul next build and I want to see if CCP will pull through then...... we'll see. When I was in the MAG beta as well as the final game I was convinced that the game would outright fail. I wasn't entirely wrong it definitely didn't meet expectations but it still managed to get a decent amount of dedicated players. I see alot more potential in Dust. It takes MAGs concept to the level it should have been and pushes past that now its a matter of fixing the playability as far as hit detection, server instability, and a list of other bugs. Again I want to see if these things improve next build. I'm not expecting CCP to pull the best fps ever out of there ass when new build comes, I'm just hoping for a good idea of the actual game post launch. i hope so too..........i actually loved mag from the first beta and was sad sony and zipper screwed it up.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.25 17:20:00 - [14] - Quote I will say it again...... every single game i've ever played has this in one form or another. Stop one thing, people WILL find another. There are countless ways to get XP SP KDR rank up weopons etc. in any and every game. The games that have less of a problem with people going out of their way looking for these loopholes are I hesitate to say it. '' good gameplay games '' By this I mean, games that make you want to do what the devs and players had in mind it would be. If you make it, uninteresting, boring, no fun and no challenge people will make their own fun. Just a tiny example from MAG for instance. We as a clan were done and bored with what we were supposed to do, so set our own line in the sand. we took a thing or area and said '' come take it from us '' most of the time in fact 99% of the time people forgot what they were supposed to do and just kept coming and coming and coming.. proxy helped with this because they were so wound up and wanted revenge. Voila, massive fun and adrenalin for us and them. Want a game to work, forget all the stupid whining about graphics and the like, make each team want to win and be desperte to kill the other team. Give us gameplay. To those of you who don't get this. I'm sorry, you probably never will.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.25 18:24:00 - [15] - Quote ReGnUM SLAYER DEI wrote: ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS wrote: I will say it again...... every single game i've ever played has this in one form or another. Stop one thing, people WILL find another. There are countless ways to get XP SP KDR rank up weopons etc. in any and every game. The games that have less of a problem with people going out of their way looking for these loopholes are I hesitate to say it. '' good gameplay games '' By this I mean, games that make you want to do what the devs and players had in mind it would be. If you make it, uninteresting, boring, no fun and no challenge people will make their own fun. Just a tiny example from MAG for instance. We as a clan were done and bored with what we were supposed to do, so set our own line in the sand. we took a thing or area and said '' come take it from us '' most of the time in fact 99% of the time people forgot what they were supposed to do and just kept coming and coming and coming.. proxy helped with this because they were so wound up and wanted revenge. Voila, massive fun and adrenalin for us and them. Want a game to work, forget all the stupid whining about graphics and the like, make each team want to win and be desperte to kill the other team. Give us gameplay. To those of you who don't get this. I'm sorry, you probably never will. ICECREAM your gonna get my thread locked :( Sorry man, I hope not, that's sure not my intention I promise you.
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS 134	Posted - 2012.09.26 18:06:00 - [16] - Quote Good post Tyas, makes a change noy having to reply to a whiner. You are right sadly, we are still getting SP because there is stuff we want to try out but mainly we have more fun as you put it '' diking about and pissing people off ''. This '' is a beta '' we are told over and over and over. Consequently who cares what we do ? We dont tell anyone else how to play or what to do, we may ***** about stuff we think is wrong. Who doesn't ? You are also right '' there is something wrong '' I just hope things improve. We'll see.