DUST Search - [Request] Jetpacks (or jump pack): Could Actually Work

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

STB Vermaak Doe wrote:

Velvet Overkill wrote:

STB Vermaak Doe wrote:

Replaces dropships more than you know

It doesn't have missiles
It can't have a CRU
It can't fly very high
It can't fly for long
It's very squishy
It can't take passengers
It can't camp or get to towers
You can't use equipment or weapons while using it.
Can't be customized like DS to have armor or shield hardeners and other goodies.
It's uses are ONLY for maneuvering.
It can't squish people
It can't be used to suicide bomb tanks.
Last but not least, it can't barrel roll or do other aerial tricks.

Cheaper

Smaller

Self reliable

That's all people need to use them over dropships

Dropships are intended to carry multiple people, and drop those people off. A jetpack is a 1 person vehicle, so it could never replace the main function of a dropship.
To get from point A to point B, people would most likely be a passenger on a free dropship ride instead of paying for their own means of transportation.

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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.09.22 12:18:00 - [1] - Quote Read Before expressing your hatred of this idea. Jetpacks can be balanced, can be useful, and are inherently fun. [HOW THEY SHOULD WORK] Jetpacks should take 5 or 6 seconds to activate: this will prevent people from using them to cower out of gun battles. Guns cannot be used while jetpack is active: This will keep them from being overpowered. Jetpacks should have very limited climb: This will prevent people from being able to fly up high on top of towers to camp. EDIT: The climb is limited, but still high enough to get on a small building. Jetpacks flight should be limited by regenerating power system similar to infantry stamina (maybe 15-20 seconds of continuous flight): This will prevent people from being in the air for too long. Players with active jetpacks should be susceptible to swarm launcher lock-on and fire. EDIT: It is to be a vehicle, not a module, or equipment. [USEFULNESS] Jetpacks would be very useful, especially for the logistics dropsuits. It could be used for flying past enemies to plant drop uplinks for his team to spawn, or flying to downed players to revive. Jetpacks would be considerably useful for scouts to get on top of buildings to spot and call out enemy locations for their team, and provide covering fire. Jetpacks would be useful for general travel on large battlefields if a player needs to travel alone in which extra seats aren't needed. Some might think lone travelers imply lack of teamwork, or lone-wolves, but travelling alone can be useful for the team if the player is acting as a distraction, or sneaking behind enemies to hunt them down (which prevents them from getting to objectives), or to call out their positions. Jetpacks would NOT REPLACE DROPSHIPS, nor render them obsolete. Jetpacks would occupy a very different niche. Dropships would remain vital because of all the things they can do or have that jetpacks don't; dropships would have much higher climb, much more armor and shields, turrets, and slots to customize (like adding a CRU). * Jetpacks don't have to look or even fly like anything like conventional jetpacks. It could even look like a more horizontal version of the inertia dampener animation with a different color effect or something. EDIT: They don't have to be as "nerfed" as I present them in the OP, but It would be good for them to start that way, then gradually balanced into just the right amount of power. Otherwise, they might start out too strong, and cause a massive uproar, then get overnerfed to uselessness. Despite all the proposed limitations (which are totally subject to change), I still think they will be quite useful because of the boost of personal speed. The low-flying nature of jetpacks would make them harder for swarm launcher users to spot them, so they're not all that vulnerable. EDIT 2: Being unable to use guns, and having to wait 5+ seconds just to activate jetpacks may make it not fun, so those proposed limitations can be dropped. EDIT 3: Though I use logistics as an example, it should not be limited for only one suit. Ok... you may unleash your hate now.
Gcember Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 123	Posted - 2012.09.22 15:12:00 - [2] - Quote I will unleash that I think that this a very good idea! As the maps are big it is not too much of a problem if one or two guys are flying around, it would be another thing if the maps were small, if they were we would have jetpackers all over the place like flies. However the jepacks should have a flying limit for like 15 seconds like you said and after that you have used it twice, which equals 30 seconds you cannot fly anymore until you respawn again, this would keep the volume of jetpackers down aswell. Hey, don-¦t forget your +1! :)
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.09.22 15:14:00 - [3] - Quote I would rather see skiing from tribes. And I don't care of it's "op" it's awesome cool. Jet packs well, yeah they're ok :P
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.09.22 15:18:00 - [4] - Quote Tony Less autonomy/fuel jetpacks would be better because in Tribes jetpacks are actually THE system, here they should be just an option and not take away from the already existing vehicles. I dared to dig up this. Kage 5-6 seconds wait for them to work! Really!! I understand you desire to make them as little OP as possible but you went the other way altogether. To save Jetpacks form the rage of haters you there nerfed them so much they come out as a trap more than a tool. Also you don't want them OP but imagined them having them 12-20 seconds of continuous flight! That is more than any FPS with jetpacks in existence (Tribes aside) Really check Jetpacks in Palnetside 2 and you will find that a better balance it's possible. For the "usefulness"pat I agree completely.
Avenger 245 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 477	Posted - 2012.09.22 15:19:00 - [5] - Quote I still dont think jetpacks would fit into well, however especially with city maps I would support a short duration, short start up time 4 o1 5 use max with short wait inbetween burst, jet pack. So maybe 3 seconds to start only 4 seconds of vertical flight, can only be used 4 times from one module, and a 7 second wait between burst, along with large cpu/pg requirements would make this balanced and could maybe fit into a city scape.
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.22 15:23:00 - [6] - Quote Could always use big springy boots instead :)
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.09.22 15:25:00 - [7] - Quote Jetpacks wouldn't be used by logistics or "scouting" people, they'd be use to fly around and shoot explosives down on people below. And to get to the tops of buildings and fight in relative safety there. I'm really not sure I like the idea of jetpacks. Tony Calif wrote: I would rather see skiing from tribes. And I don't care of it's "op" it's awesome cool. Jet packs well, yeah they're ok :P You couldn't ski on any of these maps. Terrain is to cluttered, flat, and the maps are too small. They'd have to redesign all of the maps if they wanted to make the game a Tribes clone.
Gcember Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 123	Posted - 2012.09.22 15:34:00 - [8] - Quote If the jetpack-¦s flying limit were so that it cannot reach tops of buildings, then what?
trigg808 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2012.09.22 19:00:00 - [9] - Quote You can't shoot, you can't fly very high,you become a target for swarm launches /snipersyou're warm-up/cooldown is horrendous,you're travelling alone in a team based game.... I don't see a point.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.09.23 01:13:00 - [10] - Quote Just watched some PlanetSide 2 gameplay (other large scale team-based MMO FPS), and I'm jealous that they get jetpacks.

STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.09.23 01:26:00 - [11] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Just watched some PlanetSide 2 gameplay (other large scale team-based MMO FPS), and I'm jealous that they get jetpacks. No planetside sussitution (Intentionally misspelled)
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.09.23 02:12:00 - [12] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Just watched some PlanetSide 2 gameplay (other large scale team-based MMO FPS), and I'm jealous that they get jetpacks. No planetside sussitution (Intentionally misspelled) I rather you didn't misspell it, because I'm not sure what you mean... I'm thinking maybe resuscitation, but that doesn't make sense. Anyway, I think you're implying that my argument is "PS2 has it, therefore Dust should", but that isn't my argument. My argument is that it could be useful, balanced, and fun. PS2 does prove though that jetpacks can fit into a team-based shooter. In case you missed the proof about the climb restriction in my previous post: http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx12/KAGEHOSHI-/proof_zps503f71ca.png
Avenger 245 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 477	Posted - 2012.09.23 04:56:00 - [13] - Quote It could be brought in has less a major part of gameplay and more of a special situation thing, if it was but limits on it it wouldn't become a normal part of gameplay but something that was brought out for a specific purpose For example a future city map might be added and we dusties are running all over a multi-level with high rise city blowing each other up. One teams field commander(FC eve has Flee commanders we have field commanders) decides he need to hold a specific place temporary, on a different level which is difficult to get to by foot so he has his special forces crew change fits and sends them to hold a position so he can launch an attack on enemy and destroy them If this became something that was used in every match and constantly becoming a standard strategy then no however it it was restricted enough it was only useful in certain situation then yes
Vance Alken Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 94	Posted - 2012.09.23 05:49:00 - [14] - Quote If they are ever introduced they should be jetpacks and not anti-gravity lifts like T:A or constant-thrust devices like PS2. Launch my ass up into the air, see MW:LL, they know how rockets strapped to your ass work.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.09.23 08:48:00 - [15] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Just watched some PlanetSide 2 gameplay (other large scale team-based MMO FPS), and I'm jealous that they get jetpacks. I told you ;)
Zat Earthshatter Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 304	Posted - 2012.09.23 11:50:00 - [16] - Quote For fighting in cities, I have another idea. I'd go for a dropsuit that has a super-jump and can stick to the wall it hits. But not walk on it. The idea is to use the jumps to get around, pop off a couple pot-shots from the side of a building, then get away just as quick. Throw a cloak into this, and you've got one darn good assassin!
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 186	Posted - 2012.09.23 13:26:00 - [17] - Quote Starhawk is another recent game that pulled off jet packs rather well, I'd say they could work here if they were managed right but being as crippled as OP is suggesting just wouldn't be fun at all,
trigg808 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2012.09.23 13:46:00 - [18] - Quote I feel personal transit vehicles should be ground based... Motorcycles would fill this roll better. They wouldn't have to be nerfed as much and Would be as fast if not slightly faster than LAVs. A small assortment of front mounted weapons would make them good for scrambling quick hits against enemy defensive positions. Fuel isn't really a factor taking away from warm-up/cooldown... Batman style(The Dark Knight) or Spawn style(From whatever that Spawn movies is called...) It opens up a lot more options.
Pt3D Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 221	Posted - 2012.09.23 14:37:00 - [19] - Quote No, hell no. You want jetpacks go play Halo.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.09.23 14:54:00 - [20] - Quote Pt3D wrote: No, hell no. You want jetpacks go play Halo. Not exactly a compelling argument against it.

Velvet Overkill 104	Posted - 2012.09.23 16:54:00 - [21] - Quote Pt3D wrote: No, hell no. You want jetpacks go play Halo. 1] Halo isn't the only game with jetpacks. 2] Why would he or she switch consoles to play a game with jetpacks when there's great games on PS3 that have jetpacks like Section8? 3] Why wouldn't you want jetpacks? From what I read from the OP, it wouldn't be used in combat, just maneuvering. People using them would be easy targets that can't fire back and you can hack it after you kill the person using it since its a vehicle (If you're targeting the body, not the vehicle, or if the person jumps out if). Edit It's also not going to be free and probably cost over 30K ISK, so not everyone is going to be using it.
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.09.23 16:55:00 - [22] - Quote Replaces dropships more than you know
Velvet Overkill 104	Posted - 2012.09.23 17:08:00 - [23] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Replaces dropships more than you know It doesn't have missiles It can't have a CRU It can't fly very high It can't fly for long It's very squishy It can't take passengers It can't camp or get to towers You can't use equipment or weapons while using it. Can't be customized like DS to have armor or shield hardeners and other goodies. It's uses are ONLY for maneuvering. It can't squish people It can't be used to suicide bomb tanks. Last but not least, it can't barrel roll or do other aerial tricks.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:46:00 - [24] - Quote arimal lavaren wrote: Starhawk is another recent game that pulled off jet packs rather well, I'd say they could work here if they were managed right but being as crippled as OP is suggesting just wouldn't be fun at all, I played the Starhawk open beta, I didn't really enjoy it (still not sure why), but I did love the jetpacks.
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.09.23 22:58:00 - [25] - Quote Velvet Overkill wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Replaces dropships more than you know It doesn't have missiles It can't have a CRU It can't fly very high It can't fly for long It's very squishy It can't take passengers It can't camp or get to towers You can't use equipment or weapons while using it. Can't be customized like DS to have armor or shield hardeners and other goodies. It's uses are ONLY for maneuvering. It can't squish people It can't be used to suicide bomb tanks. Last but not least, it can't barrel roll or do other aerial tricks. Cheaper Smaller Self reliable That's all people need to use them over dropships
X7 lion Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 5	Posted - 2012.09.23 23:19:00 - [26] - Quote im surprised in the original post weight didn't become a factor, ie the lighter the suit type the longer you can stay in the air (im only talking maybe an extra 10 second of flight) with all the balnce fixs that have been brought up i think its a perfect idea assuming weight becomes a factor in this.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.09.23 23:58:00 - [27] - Quote X7 lion wrote: im surprised in the original post weight didn't become a factor, ie the lighter the suit type the longer you can stay in the air (im only talking maybe an extra 10 second of flight) with all the balnce fixs that have been brought up i think its a perfect idea assuming weight becomes a factor in this. Good point with the weight, I agree it should be a factor.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.09.24 23:55:00 - [28] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Velvet Overkill wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Replaces dropships more than you know It doesn't have missiles It can't have a CRU It can't fly very high It can't fly for long It's very squishy It can't take passengers It can't camp or get to towers You can't use equipment or weapons while using it. Can't be customized like DS to have armor or shield hardeners and other goodies. It's uses are ONLY for maneuvering. It can't squish people It can't be used to suicide bomb tanks. Last but not least, it can't barrel roll or do other aerial tricks. Cheaper Smaller Self reliable That's all people need to use them over dropships Dropships are intended to carry multiple people, and drop those people off. A jetpack is a 1 person vehicle, so it could never replace the main function of a dropship. To get from point A to point B, people would most likely be a passenger on a free dropship ride instead of paying for their own means of transportation.
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.09.25 03:10:00 - [29] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Velvet Overkill wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Replaces dropships more than you know It doesn't have missiles It can't have a CRU It can't fly very high It can't fly for long It's very squishy It can't take passengers It can't camp or get to towers You can't use equipment or weapons while using it. Can't be customized like DS to have armor or shield hardeners and other goodies. It's uses are ONLY for maneuvering. It can't squish people It can't be used to suicide bomb tanks. Last but not least, it can't barrel roll or do other aerial tricks. Cheaper Smaller Self reliable That's all people need to use them over dropships Dropships are intended to carry multiple people, and drop those people off. A jetpack is a 1 person vehicle, so it could never replace the main function of a dropship. To get from point A to point B, people would most likely be a passenger on a free dropship ride instead of paying for their own means of transportation. Seeing the price gap for a similar transportation method, most pilots wouldn't waste their money skilling into dropships
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.09.25 03:44:00 - [30] - Quote The only thing similar about these vehicles would be that they are aerial. That is like saying no one would skill into HAV's because LAV's are cheaper.



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