It seems like the only way to be any good at this game is to play it 24 hours of your life. IOr spend a thousand bucks to max everything out.

Skills pretty much guaranteed you will win every gunfight unmatched. A FPS and MMO are polar opposites of each other.
FPS's are supposed to be about the shooter's ability to aim and smart planning.
MMO's are about going through skill trees and making your character into jesus.

Before I start ranting, I want to say I never thought that CCP or any Devs would manage to get this close to making a MMO/FPS hybrid that is decent. They're close, but not there.

Combine these into dust and what do you get?

A game where if you don't pay to win, you must dedicate your entire life to it. Devs even said it would take 7 years to unlock everything and couch potatoes will probably unlock everything in half that amount of time compared to someone who has a job or school like me.

They can run around and pretty much be invincible because they have everything unlocked and you don't. Unless they can't aim worth a rat's tail.

So you will always be outgunned by the loser who will die from leg clots from not getting up and taking breaks. You know, the ones who are too lazy to get up so they pee in a bottle?

Doesn't this bother anyone else? Like the people who are actually good at FPS's but still get gunned down by afore mentioned loser who's spraying a HMG across the map with 46% accuracy and has 20k Shields?

This will hurt CCP in the long run because if new players spawn-in and are instantly getting spawn killed or sniped by a HMG they will think "Uh, this is supposed to be fun?" delete the game and tell they're friends how sh*tty the game is.

Its not that bad, if you cant aim, you cant aim. Even if somebody did skill everything, its not like they could utilize it all at the same time. There will not be someone running around with a tank and dropship,AR,forge gun uber-fit.

And I realize that second part. But at the same time, the no lifers are usually the ones with the clans of other no lifers to cause a no-life legion dedicated to pounding casual players, people who do have lives, and the other 10% or whatever into the ground.

No. If you can't aim, you use a grenade launcher or a hmg lol.

And I realize that second part. But at the same time, the no lifers are usually the ones with the clans of other no lifers to cause a no-life legion dedicated to pounding casual players, people who do have lives, and the other 10% or whatever into the ground.

"There will not be someone running around with a tank and dropship,AR,forge gun uber-fit." Essentially making this untrue.

I don't know... I like CCP and what they're doing. But it feels like I'm fighting an uphill battle all the time because I'm constantly fighting people with better gear and getting slaughtered in one hit by everything.

and so how is this different from any other FPS where you play and unlock weapons?

A lot of people play who play those games are not elite and don't put in 14 hours a day, one thing I will point out is that here in dust there are diminishing returns on SP not sure on the exact numbers but you get a bonus on your first couple of games then after that you start getting 15k sp max a round no matter how well you do.

So what is your solution? you could give everyone the same skills and those players who have no life as you call it would still kick your arse, they play more so they getter better regardless of the equipment.

You seem to have an obsession over HMGs. By chance have you ever used one? Because I specialize in them. They're a hell of a lot harder to use than you seem to think. They have almost no range, damage, or spread, so you have to be dead on with your shots at a rather short range to get your kills. If you were being killed by HMGs today, that's probably because they were better than you.

You seem to have an obsession over HMGs. By chance have you ever used one? Because I specialize in them. They're a hell of a lot harder to use than you seem to think. They have almost no range, damage, or spread, so you have to be dead on with your shots at a rather short range to get your kills. If you were being killed by HMGs today, that's probably because they were better than you.

Actually no. I specialize in HMG's too Mr. literal. And of all things to point out in my post, why the HMG? It was an example.

Because I don't have as much experience in the other points. But when you say people snipe across the map with HMGs and 20k shields, that just looks stupid and uninformed. It's impossible to even shoot across 1/4 of the map with one, let alone snipe.

Because I don't have as much experience in the other points. But when you say people snipe across the map with HMGs and 20k shields, that just looks stupid and uninformed. It's impossible to even shoot across 1/4 of the map with one, let alone snipe.

Changed to sniper rifle because I know it's making you cry.

Changed to sniper rifle because I know it's making you cry.

Changed to sniper rifle because I know it's making you cry.

*sigh* and with this comment you've gone and proved to everyone that your a crap player who is bleating like a kiwis favourite sheep, you look foolish you should spend less time whining here and more on getting better because the problem is behind the keyboard nub.

I wouldn't say I'm crying, but whatever. I was just pointing out that you have no valid points about the HMGs, which probably also holds true for the rest of your argument.

Let the no lifers play, not like they matter outside of the game

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Does anyone really ?

If you have some sort of social life you matter tons more than no lifers

Is it such a big surprise to people that the big players in anything are "no lifers"? Bigshot CEOs who make more millions than they can spend are workaholics who work upwards of 16 hour days. Actors often work upwards of 16 hour days. Olympic athletes train all day.

Competitive gamers don't sleep well, get fat etc. whereas competitive athletes get all kinds of injuries, undergo surgeries etc. CEOs and actors make boatloads of money, but often end up alienating their families and friends, practically living on a set/their office. That's the cost of pushing yourself beyond your limits to get to the top. As an aside, I'd call a pro gamer several things, but not lazy. I don't know if anyone out there truly pees in bottles, but going for 2-3 days without sleep to make progress and then only sleeping for something like 6 hours is far far from my definition of laziness.

Being competitive means living and breathing whatever it is you're competing in. It means being passionate, driven and not really about having a "life". Those people didn't give "life" up -- they didn't care for it in the first place. Personally? I admire those people. I admire the willpower and sheer focus of them all regardless of field, be they athletes, businessmen or pro gamers.

Now, being a casual gamer myself, I mostly enjoy watching pro gamers being good at their game and pwning others. Other guys watch sports with their friends, I watch games with my friends. To each their own.

My message? Don't downplay other people's effort that got them somewhere higher than where you are now, no matter what the field. If getting to the top matters to you, try harder and chase after them. If not, hang back with the rest of us in the middle of the Bell curve, it's nice and cozy and includes lots of spare time.

Is it such a big surprise to people that the big players in anything are "no lifers"? Bigshot CEOs who make more millions than they can spend are workaholics who work upwards of 16 hour days. Actors often work upwards of 16 hour days. Olympic athletes train all day.

Competitive gamers don't sleep well, get fat etc. whereas competitive athletes get all kinds of injuries, undergo surgeries etc. CEOs and actors make boatloads of money, but often end up alienating their families and friends, practically living on a set/their office. That's the cost of pushing yourself beyond your limits to get to the top. As an aside, I'd call a pro gamer several things, but not lazy. I don't know if anyone out there truly pees in bottles, but going for 2-3 days without sleep to make progress and then only sleeping for something like 6 hours is far far from my definition of laziness.

Being competitive means living and breathing whatever it is you're competing in. It means being passionate, driven and not really about having a "life". Those people didn't give "life" up -- they didn't care for it in the first place. Personally? I admire those people. I admire the willpower and sheer focus of them all regardless of field, be they athletes, businessmen or pro gamers.

Now, being a casual gamer myself, I mostly enjoy watching pro gamers being good at their game and pwning others. Other guys watch sports with their friends, I watch games with my friends. To each their own.

My message? Don't downplay other people's effort that got them somewhere higher than where you are now, no matter what the field. If getting to the top matters to you, try harder and chase after them. If not, hang back with the rest of us in the middle of the Bell curve, it's nice and cozy and includes lots of spare time.

On the social life part, I hate people. I stay away from them. I focus on education and not partying with morons who think booze and impregnating women is fun.

Then again, I like a nice chat with a intellectual who can carry on a conversation without being boring.

Frankly, I agree with the OP.

However, it would be interesting to get someone's perspective from EVE. In theory they deal with the same potential problem.

So....any thoughts EVE players?

Isn't that a shot in the foot? No lifers are people without social lives so wouldn't that make you one as well.

Besides i think it would be better if you balanced social with your studies as being shy doesn't cut it past high school.

I'm not saying get drunk as hell but just chill

Oh of course it would be an STB member to post this ****. I can do almost as well in militia as I can in advanced with complex mods.

You sound pretty mad there buddy

It seems no one s stating this.

The instant battle feature will set matches with evenly skilled players. Since its Beta it doesn't really work yet, so quit yer fussin and be patient.

I especially love the way you rant about people with no social life, then go on to say you have no social life.

They need to put us on a more passive skill gain system, more like EVE

But then people would cry out, kitten kitten moan that they haven't got ANY chance to catchup older players. Even if they really tried. ;)

It seems like the only way to be any good at this game is to play it 24 hours of your life. IOr spend a thousand bucks to max everything out.

Skills pretty much guaranteed you will win every gunfight unmatched. A FPS and MMO are polar opposites of each other.
FPS's are supposed to be about the shooter's ability to aim and smart planning.
MMO's are about going through skill trees and making your character into jesus.

Before I start ranting, I want to say I never thought that CCP or any Devs would manage to get this close to making a MMO/FPS hybrid that is decent. They're close, but not there.

Combine these into dust and what do you get?

A game where if you don't pay to win, you must dedicate your entire life to it. Devs even said it would take 7 years to unlock everything and couch potatoes will probably unlock everything in half that amount of time compared to someone who has a job or school like me.

They can run around and pretty much be invincible because they have everything unlocked and you don't. Unless they can't aim worth a rat's tail.

So you will always be outgunned by the loser who will die from leg clots from not getting up and taking breaks. You know, the ones who are too lazy to get up so they pee in a bottle?

Doesn't this bother anyone else? Like the people who are actually good at FPS's but still get gunned down by afore mentioned loser who's "spraying" with a tactical sniper rifle one-hit-kill god gun across the map with and has 5k Shields. and when you get up close he has a submachinegun that takes you out in two hits.

This will hurt CCP in the long run because if new players spawn-in and are instantly getting spawn killed or sniped by an assault rifle in 2 hits even though they're spraying bullets in the guys face, they will think "Uh, this is supposed to be fun?" delete the game and tell they're friends how sh*tty the game is.

It seems like the only way to be any good at this game is to play it 24 hours of your life. IOr spend a thousand bucks to max everything out.

Skills pretty much guaranteed you will win every gunfight unmatched. A FPS and MMO are polar opposites of each other.
FPS's are supposed to be about the shooter's ability to aim and smart planning.
MMO's are about going through skill trees and making your character into jesus.

Before I start ranting, I want to say I never thought that CCP or any Devs would manage to get this close to making a MMO/FPS hybrid that is decent. They're close, but not there.

Combine these into dust and what do you get?

A game where if you don't pay to win, you must dedicate your entire life to it. Devs even said it would take 7 years to unlock everything and couch potatoes will probably unlock everything in half that amount of time compared to someone who has a job or school like me.

They can run around and pretty much be invincible because they have everything unlocked and you don't. Unless they can't aim worth a rat's tail.

So you will always be outgunned by the loser who will die from leg clots from not getting up and taking breaks. You know, the ones who are too lazy to get up so they pee in a bottle?

Doesn't this bother anyone else? Like the people who are actually good at FPS's but still get gunned down by afore mentioned loser who's "spraying" with a tactical sniper rifle one-hit-kill god gun across the map with and has 5k Shields. and when you get up close he has a submachinegun that takes you out in two hits.

This will hurt CCP in the long run because if new players spawn-in and are instantly getting spawn killed or sniped by an assault rifle in 2 hits even though they're spraying bullets in the guys face, they will think "Uh, this is supposed to be fun?" delete the game and tell they're friends how sh*tty the game is.

Another great point that seems to go over people's heads. How does the new player compete with this?

Like you mentioned in CoD (or other games with perks) there's always a counter...so essentially it comes down to player skill whether you win gunfights or not. Therein is where the satisfaction from the kill comes and that's also why people continuously moan about overpowered killstreaks....they're cheap and frustrating. Getting outgunned or flanked? Oh well, my fault. Getting outgunned because the other player has more cash to invest? That's equally as cheap as Attack Dogz or whatever other crap is in CoD.

Getting killed by a player with better gear in Dust feels exactly the same to me. Even if we both take aim at the same time and are both as accurate, he will win every time. There's no balance to the gun-play. There's no way to counter it other than either buy a ton of gear, or play for hours and hours to unlock everything.

I believe the focus should always be on player skill first and statistics 2nd and the way Dust currently is, doesn't fill me with confidence that CCP will make it this way.

Saying that Dust strongly relies on stats is a lie.
Much like any RPG in Dust what makes your more effective is not only your skills as player but your skills as a character.
In FPS character skills don't exist...unless you are called Borderlands.

Republicans and (some) Christians. Terrible combination the puts this country into more debt and f*cks up the education system

the TLDR, I'm bad and I'm taking my ball and going home, and I'm probably the OPs alt.

Bye.

with that attitude no one wants you in their organized squad which is why you're dying most of the time because you assume this should be based on you're skillz to lolsolo everything

if you guys have such awesome real lives you wouldn't be here now bragging about that while admitting you fail at a team based beta. you would instead go out and live the life you're now bragging about on a video game forum..

oh I'm very gay but that's not the point, didn't you say you were leaving? this is the general discussion forum btw, feedback is 2 doors down. You seem really mad, do you get upset at people not agreeing with you often? its usually a good indication that a person is a bigot.

As for organised squads, yeah they happen quite a bit, a lot of the people I play with like to squad up, tends to ruin my lonewolf game style, but that's life adapt and over come ect, seems better then whining on the forum and threatening to delete the game, not a concept i expect you to understand though.

I agree w OP and supporters - and while I am not a fan of FPS games like CoD, I did manage to level through all 3 PMCs in MAG. So here is the Word from the land of the PS3 gamer: Your little game will always be a LITTLE game, with very few players. Hope they don't spend a lot of money developing it because it sin't going to retain a lot of people who try it.

The reasons are the OP and the responses. OP has a huge point, as my KD ratio is moving BACKWARDS the further up the skill tree I move. Each time I think I have a competetive fit, I try an AMBUSH map and get my ass handed to me. It's gone from bad to worse, and last night I spawned in with a heavy shock suit and armor upgrades, yet fell after being hit with ONE HMG BULLET.

OK so I tried an objective map - which BTW almost NEVER spawns me into at the beginning - I only get in when the game is halfway done. And as soon as I find a defensive position me and 3 other guys are jumped by ONE player, with shield mods so high that 4 of us shooting him and hitting him wasn't enough to take him down. ANd I am Lvl5 AR, lvl4 LW, lvl 4 Sharpshooter, yet had no ability to overcome his shields. I know, lets nerf the shields next!

You see my point - that infinite skill trees just F up the game for almost everyone who comes in on Day 2 or later. It happened in DC Universe - which they thought ppl would be playing in massive quantities and spending REAL $ on as well. Got news for ya CCP - real gamers have about 6months to spare your little offering - if it isn't FUN, or takes too much time we move on to the next offering. I am a month into this Beta and about to delete it from my system as hopelessly overcomplicated, frustratingly difficult to enjoy, and downright annoying.

To the people who think they are 'super FPS players' and criticizing legitimate concerns about this game, and especiall y attacking other players abilities: You are assuming we don't have skills, just becasue we can't devote our lives to carpal tunnel thumbs. Come play me in Rockband, I will whip your ass there and make you look silly and incapable too - I am only a Top 100 player. My point is that being mind-blowingly excellent at a shooter should not be the ONLY way a person can enjoy this game, but it is working out that way.

SO I am deleting this game soon - because it isn't any FUN! I am not enjoying the high blood pressure from finding that even in my meanest suit I am a glass target. I am not enjoying the way they limited railguns to a kilck or less of distance (so silly, railguns should have a range of MANY miles, by their very nature - which tells me PHYSICS are irrelevvant in this game) & I am not enjoying being hit by a dropship sitting on top of a skyscraper on a turretless map. I am not enjoying being spawned into a team who have no tanks and facing a team that fields 4 of them. And I definitely am not enjoying the anger, crass assumptions and simpleton insults that plague this and every other game forum.

None of these geek-boy couch potatos would speak this way to my face - I can bench press most of em. It's amazing how much more respectful people are in person. ANd I have a Real Life - I play this game about an hour or 2 a day, usually while watching Netflix on my iPad LOL. Most "casual gamers"are like me - so make a game for the masses CCP or you will be trying to recoup your investment from a small group of fanboys, psychotic teenagers with no money, and a limited pool of FPS nuts who think their stats in a game somehow turn them into a real Army Ranger or Navy SEAL

I swear you idiots seem to be unable to understand basic reading comprehension - THIS IS A FEEDBACK FORUM! I and others are giving the devs what they asked for - considered response to conditions in the game. YOU are the one filling up a forum with snide little comments trying to start a fight - Effing trolls, got no use for ya.

I gave you a like Reb El. It's the closest thing I've got to a hug.

If it makes little sense to you, try reading it again. It's very simple really.

The player sucks it up finds ways to compete and grinds his way up into the same equipment, like people do in other FPS games, I see players doing this every day when they fight me, they run for the hills and snipe, or grab a shot gun and sneak up behind me, either way they carry on and find ways to take me down, players that have started off like this are now standing toe to toe with me and giving as good as they get.

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Wow, this one made me spit a perfectly good Crown and coke on my monitor. The butthurt is strong with you Grasshoppa. So is the irony when this was your next post..



As for the OP, the nature of the skill tree limits the amount of skills and equipment that can be used at any time. For example, a 100m SP character in an assault suit with an AR is no more effective one on one with a 10m SP player with the same skills applied to that same suit and weapon. The biggest difference is the players RL skills with game mechanics and teamwork. Heavy on the teamwork. Ask around a little bit on what a "Rifter hero" is. The other difference is that the 100m character has more options for gear and equipment loadouts, but can still only use a fraction of total SP at any given time. I've nearly maxed out a sniper in three weeks with a job, wife, social life, and simultaneously skilling three characters. It isn't that hard to find an effective niche to start with and without spending 23/7 playing the game.

You must be doing it wrong.

I gave you a like Reb El. It's the closest thing I've got to a hug.

So Beld Errmon I'm coming for you! With my squad. in a tank. With EVE players shooting at you from space.

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Its not that bad, if you cant aim, you cant aim. Even if somebody did skill everything, its not like they could utilize it all at the same time. There will not be someone running around with a tank and dropship,AR,forge gun uber-fit.

they should put isk efficiency up as another measure.

i love taking out high "skilled" people out with a militia gun. especially snipers with their level 5 instant kill gun that drops everyone save a heavy from a foot shot. they sit on a mountain high and mighty thinking they are invisible and i take them out with a headshot from a starter scout gear putting them in the red for the match if they lose.

Haha! that's exactly what I do with the charge rifle. It's annoying though because they usually head glitch so that you can't hit them. That's when I pull out my Capture Card and record them in the act and report them. :)

But like I said, a tiger will kill one man with a stick.

We should get a response from ccp if bullets come from the head or the gun. Or has this been asked already? Have not tested head glitching in this game.

I'm sure to some it looks like I'm headglitching if they are to the side of me. I only open myself to 25% of the map at a max 50% and then it would be to hit a sniper that has turned himself into a bright red arrow.

Anyway quickly go look out your window at your wall. I bet there is a chance you have a head glitching cat. Record that. Its cute and will make you like head glitching.

Also this games player base condones spawn camping. Girl called me a ***** when I moaned about us spawn camping the other team. This game is going to be dirty. Better put your gum boots on and get dirty if you plan on succeeding.

Edited to add did you get the capture card to do 360 shots on COD? Your mention of headglitching lead me to this conclusion.

Secondly my I borrow it. Thinking of doing a 720 off the building on ?plateus?,landing in a head glitch and no scoping some sucker.