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STB-DropTroop EV
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:41:00 -
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It seems like the only way to be any good at this game is to play it 24 hours of your life. IOr spend a thousand bucks to max everything out.
Skills pretty much guaranteed you will win every gunfight unmatched. A FPS and MMO are polar opposites of each other. FPS's are supposed to be about the shooter's ability to aim and smart planning. MMO's are about going through skill trees and making your character into jesus.
Before I start ranting, I want to say I never thought that CCP or any Devs would manage to get this close to making a MMO/FPS hybrid that is decent. They're close, but not there.
Combine these into dust and what do you get?
A game where if you don't pay to win, you must dedicate your entire life to it. Devs even said it would take 7 years to unlock everything and couch potatoes will probably unlock everything in half that amount of time compared to someone who has a job or school like me.
They can run around and pretty much be invincible because they have everything unlocked and you don't. Unless they can't aim worth a rat's tail.
So you will always be outgunned by the loser who will die from leg clots from not getting up and taking breaks. You know, the ones who are too lazy to get up so they pee in a bottle?
Doesn't this bother anyone else? Like the people who are actually good at FPS's but still get gunned down by afore mentioned loser who's "spraying" with a tactical sniper rifle one-hit-kill god gun across the map with and has 5k Shields. and when you get up close he has a submachinegun that takes you out in two hits.
This will hurt CCP in the long run because if new players spawn-in and are instantly getting spawn killed or sniped by an assault rifle in 2 hits even though they're spraying bullets in the guys face, they will think "Uh, this is supposed to be fun?" delete the game and tell they're friends how sh*tty the game is. |
STB-ReGnUm DEI EV
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:44:00 -
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STB-DropTroop EV wrote:It seems like the only way to be any good at this game is to play it 24 hours of your life. IOr spend a thousand bucks to max everything out.
Skills pretty much guaranteed you will win every gunfight unmatched. A FPS and MMO are polar opposites of each other. FPS's are supposed to be about the shooter's ability to aim and smart planning. MMO's are about going through skill trees and making your character into jesus.
Before I start ranting, I want to say I never thought that CCP or any Devs would manage to get this close to making a MMO/FPS hybrid that is decent. They're close, but not there.
Combine these into dust and what do you get?
A game where if you don't pay to win, you must dedicate your entire life to it. Devs even said it would take 7 years to unlock everything and couch potatoes will probably unlock everything in half that amount of time compared to someone who has a job or school like me.
They can run around and pretty much be invincible because they have everything unlocked and you don't. Unless they can't aim worth a rat's tail.
So you will always be outgunned by the loser who will die from leg clots from not getting up and taking breaks. You know, the ones who are too lazy to get up so they pee in a bottle?
Doesn't this bother anyone else? Like the people who are actually good at FPS's but still get gunned down by afore mentioned loser who's spraying a HMG across the map with 46% accuracy and has 20k Shields?
This will hurt CCP in the long run because if new players spawn-in and are instantly getting spawn killed or sniped by a HMG they will think "Uh, this is supposed to be fun?" delete the game and tell they're friends how sh*tty the game is.
why would it bother me? Getting a advanced education> being good at DUST
BTW must ppl who play at the highest competitive level are no-lifers |
Jin Robot
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:44:00 -
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Its not that bad, if you cant aim, you cant aim. Even if somebody did skill everything, its not like they could utilize it all at the same time. There will not be someone running around with a tank and dropship,AR,forge gun uber-fit. |
Mejji Sez
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:47:00 -
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I told one of them Dusters to read a book. He responded with a mom joke and a derogatory term used for homosexuals. I got my answer in that moment. The majority of us "gamers" aren't nuisances, but they're hanging around. No-lifers are what keeps games alive for a long time.
As for CCP, I commend them on achieving as much as they have so far. It might take 7 years to fully level up your character because it may take this game that long to work properly (j/k CCP). |
ICECREAMK1NG WARRIORS
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:48:00 -
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Just get a tank, you're in Silly Tank Babies.
Oh wait they fixed it !
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Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:48:00 -
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and so how is this different from any other FPS where you play and unlock weapons?
A lot of people play who play those games are not elite and don't put in 14 hours a day, one thing I will point out is that here in dust there are diminishing returns on SP not sure on the exact numbers but you get a bonus on your first couple of games then after that you start getting 15k sp max a round no matter how well you do.
So what is your solution? you could give everyone the same skills and those players who have no life as you call it would still kick your arse, they play more so they getter better regardless of the equipment. |
MofaceKilla
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:49:00 -
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While I agree with the hatred of the people that get to play 24/7 (read 50% jealousy, 50% pity) I dont think it's fair to call out CCP for it. They want us to play the game their making, how can you expect them to penalize players for doing it more than most? Honestly being a full time worker and part time student I feel your pain, but there's not much that can be done about it other than take comfort in the fact that most people don't play every waking hour. Makes it that much sweeter to kill one of them |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:50:00 -
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Frankly, I agree with the OP.
However, it would be interesting to get someone's perspective from EVE. In theory they deal with the same potential problem.
So....any thoughts EVE players? |
STB-DropTroop EV
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:56:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Its not that bad, if you cant aim, you cant aim. Even if somebody did skill everything, its not like they could utilize it all at the same time. There will not be someone running around with a tank and dropship,AR,forge gun uber-fit.
No. If you can't aim, you use a grenade launcher or a hmg lol.
And I realize that second part. But at the same time, the no lifers are usually the ones with the clans of other no lifers to cause a no-life legion dedicated to pounding casual players, people who do have lives, and the other 10% or whatever into the ground.
"There will not be someone running around with a tank and dropship,AR,forge gun uber-fit." Essentially making this untrue.
I don't know... I like CCP and what they're doing. But it feels like I'm fighting an uphill battle all the time because I'm constantly fighting people with better gear and getting slaughtered in one hit by everything.
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Jin Robot
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
330
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:56:00 -
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Since by joining eve right now you would compete with people who have years of a headstart, I dont really see a difference. Just know that by actually having a real life, you win where it really matters, they can have the few extra kills they get for the trade off, we still win. |
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Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:58:00 -
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when the game has more players and instant battle works properly new players will be dropped into battle with other new players and bad old players.
All i see in this thread is a bunch of ppl who are bad looking for a scapegoat to blame their crappy abilities on. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:00:00 -
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STB-DropTroop EV wrote:
And I realize that second part. But at the same time, the no lifers are usually the ones with the clans of other no lifers to cause a no-life legion dedicated to pounding casual players, people who do have lives, and the other 10% or whatever into the ground.
Geez that's a long bow to pull for someone wearing clan tags in a beta. |
Jin Robot
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
330
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:01:00 -
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STB-DropTroop EV wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Its not that bad, if you cant aim, you cant aim. Even if somebody did skill everything, its not like they could utilize it all at the same time. There will not be someone running around with a tank and dropship,AR,forge gun uber-fit. No. If you can't aim, you use a grenade launcher or a hmg lol. And I realize that second part. But at the same time, the no lifers are usually the ones with the clans of other no lifers to cause a no-life legion dedicated to pounding casual players, people who do have lives, and the other 10% or whatever into the ground. "There will not be someone running around with a tank and dropship,AR,forge gun uber-fit." Essentially making this untrue. I don't know... I like CCP and what they're doing. But it feels like I'm fighting an uphill battle all the time because I'm constantly fighting people with better gear and getting slaughtered in one hit by everything. But your corp can have the same fits as them, it really wont take long to specialize one skill, unless its black ops HAV.and since they can only use one style at once it wont matter that they have the rest of the styles in their closet. |
Jin Robot
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
330
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:04:00 -
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Can we have one thread without an instant insult? |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:05:00 -
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Let the no lifers play, not like they matter outside of the game
Nuff SaidGäó |
STB-DropTroop EV
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:13:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:and so how is this different from any other FPS where you play and unlock weapons?
A lot of people play who play those games are not elite and don't put in 14 hours a day, one thing I will point out is that here in dust there are diminishing returns on SP not sure on the exact numbers but you get a bonus on your first couple of games then after that you start getting 15k sp max a round no matter how well you do.
So what is your solution? you could give everyone the same skills and those players who have no life as you call it would still kick your arse, they play more so they getter better regardless of the equipment.
Let's use Call of Duty 4 modern warfare as an example. You have perks that give you health, reloading speed, whatever. Point number 1: The perks only give slight advantages. Point number 2: You don't have to use 2million SP/waste a week trying to get the correct upgrades in order to actually use the perk. Point 3: you have advantages and disadvantages because you're forced to pick you're 3 perks that might come back to bite you in the arse should you not choose correctly
But in Dust, if you're maxed out in your weapons, explosives, etc. You're jesus. The only way to die is by another jesus or being runover by a dropship which you will probably see coming because you have 1850m range and a semi automatic 2-mag 4burst rocket launcher that can be upgraded so you reload instantly and has a blast radius of a nuke and the damage of one.
There's no way to win against jesus.
meanwhile in CoD, a low level player sneaks up behind you and knifes you in the back.
"Geez that's a long bow to pull for someone wearing clan tags in a beta." After explaining how I've been getting slaughtered by jesus with a grenade launcher. My clan is the only reason I can walk two feet out of my spawn. Why would I stay solo and get murdered by other clans when I have a team full of idiots?
If you can't beat them, make peace with them so they won't f*** you up every game is basically the motive there. |
Encharrion
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:16:00 -
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Honestly, a greater amount of passive SP gain would really help here.
Aside from that:
Teamwork/Tactics > Skill Levels |
Daedra Lord9
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:19:00 -
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You seem to have an obsession over HMGs. By chance have you ever used one? Because I specialize in them. They're a hell of a lot harder to use than you seem to think. They have almost no range, damage, or spread, so you have to be dead on with your shots at a rather short range to get your kills. If you were being killed by HMGs today, that's probably because they were better than you. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:22:00 -
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Daedra Lord9 wrote:You seem to have an obsession over HMGs. By chance have you ever used one? Because I specialize in them. They're a hell of a lot harder to use than you seem to think. They have almost no range, damage, or spread, so you have to be dead on with your shots at a rather short range to get your kills. If you were being killed by HMGs today, that's probably because they were better than you. Truer words have never been spoken on a forum
(Tbh this is the only game forum i could bother to look at |
STB-DropTroop EV
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:22:00 -
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Daedra Lord9 wrote:You seem to have an obsession over HMGs. By chance have you ever used one? Because I specialize in them. They're a hell of a lot harder to use than you seem to think. They have almost no range, damage, or spread, so you have to be dead on with your shots at a rather short range to get your kills. If you were being killed by HMGs today, that's probably because they were better than you.
Harder to use then I think? The longer you hold the trigger the more accuracy you have. What kind of sense does that even make?
Actually no. I specialize in HMG's too Mr. literal. And of all things to point out in my post, why the HMG? It was an example.
Moving on, the only way to solve this would be a matchmaking system where you're fitted with people near you're overall skill level. I'm not saying that they would have to have the same specs as you, but just have near the same amount of SP invested in skills as you.
This would make it so the Player would be forced to make smart decisions early in the game to be successful and have a general focus on what they want to do with they're character.
Invest too much in Vehicles and you will be out-gunned in a heartbeat. Invest too much in weaponry and you might not have enough shields or vehicle modules or whatever.
This would make the game perfect to me. |
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Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:23:00 -
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yeah well while im fighting like 'jesus' I often get shot in the back by a militia shotgun or rifle, probably makes their day like it used to make mine when i first started playing.
Sorry i just can't see your point, i see no difference between your example and dust, Im sure a bad player in CoD has just as much trouble leveling up as one in dust.
A player in dust can kill a VK suit/proto AR, if hes a better shot and uses cover better. |
Daedra Lord9
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:28:00 -
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STB-DropTroop EV wrote:Daedra Lord9 wrote:You seem to have an obsession over HMGs. By chance have you ever used one? Because I specialize in them. They're a hell of a lot harder to use than you seem to think. They have almost no range, damage, or spread, so you have to be dead on with your shots at a rather short range to get your kills. If you were being killed by HMGs today, that's probably because they were better than you. Actually no. I specialize in HMG's too Mr. literal. And of all things to point out in my post, why the HMG? It was an example.
Because I don't have as much experience in the other points. But when you say people snipe across the map with HMGs and 20k shields, that just looks stupid and uninformed. It's impossible to even shoot across 1/4 of the map with one, let alone snipe. |
STB-DropTroop EV
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:29:00 -
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Daedra Lord9 wrote:STB-DropTroop EV wrote:Daedra Lord9 wrote:You seem to have an obsession over HMGs. By chance have you ever used one? Because I specialize in them. They're a hell of a lot harder to use than you seem to think. They have almost no range, damage, or spread, so you have to be dead on with your shots at a rather short range to get your kills. If you were being killed by HMGs today, that's probably because they were better than you. Actually no. I specialize in HMG's too Mr. literal. And of all things to point out in my post, why the HMG? It was an example. Because I don't have as much experience in the other points. But when you say people snipe across the map with HMGs and 20k shields, that just looks stupid and uninformed. It's impossible to even shoot across 1/4 of the map with one, let alone snipe.
Changed to sniper rifle because I know it's making you cry. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:30:00 -
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Daedra Lord9 wrote:STB-DropTroop EV wrote:Daedra Lord9 wrote:You seem to have an obsession over HMGs. By chance have you ever used one? Because I specialize in them. They're a hell of a lot harder to use than you seem to think. They have almost no range, damage, or spread, so you have to be dead on with your shots at a rather short range to get your kills. If you were being killed by HMGs today, that's probably because they were better than you. Actually no. I specialize in HMG's too Mr. literal. And of all things to point out in my post, why the HMG? It was an example. Because I don't have as much experience in the other points. But when you say people snipe across the map with HMGs and 20k shields, that just looks stupid and uninformed. It's impossible to even shoot across 1/4 of the map with one, let alone snipe. I'd say a bit closer to trying to snipe at 1/48th of most maps |
Foldenfly
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:30:00 -
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This is an easy fix, and one that other games (yes the dreaded compare) have mastered. Automated pairing where you are only dropped into matches with players in the same SP range.
Obvious exceptions would be corp wars, but you sign up at your own risk with those.... |
Daedra Lord9
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:33:00 -
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STB-DropTroop EV wrote:Daedra Lord9 wrote:STB-DropTroop EV wrote:Daedra Lord9 wrote:You seem to have an obsession over HMGs. By chance have you ever used one? Because I specialize in them. They're a hell of a lot harder to use than you seem to think. They have almost no range, damage, or spread, so you have to be dead on with your shots at a rather short range to get your kills. If you were being killed by HMGs today, that's probably because they were better than you. Actually no. I specialize in HMG's too Mr. literal. And of all things to point out in my post, why the HMG? It was an example. Because I don't have as much experience in the other points. But when you say people snipe across the map with HMGs and 20k shields, that just looks stupid and uninformed. It's impossible to even shoot across 1/4 of the map with one, let alone snipe. Changed to sniper rifle because I know it's making you cry.
I wouldn't say I'm crying, but whatever. I was just pointing out that you have no valid points about the HMGs, which probably also holds true for the rest of your argument. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:34:00 -
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STB-DropTroop EV wrote:
Changed to sniper rifle because I know it's making you cry.
*sigh* and with this comment you've gone and proved to everyone that your a crap player who is bleating like a kiwis favourite sheep, you look foolish you should spend less time whining here and more on getting better because the problem is behind the keyboard nub. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:34:00 -
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STB-DropTroop EV wrote:Daedra Lord9 wrote:STB-DropTroop EV wrote:Daedra Lord9 wrote:You seem to have an obsession over HMGs. By chance have you ever used one? Because I specialize in them. They're a hell of a lot harder to use than you seem to think. They have almost no range, damage, or spread, so you have to be dead on with your shots at a rather short range to get your kills. If you were being killed by HMGs today, that's probably because they were better than you. Actually no. I specialize in HMG's too Mr. literal. And of all things to point out in my post, why the HMG? It was an example. Because I don't have as much experience in the other points. But when you say people snipe across the map with HMGs and 20k shields, that just looks stupid and uninformed. It's impossible to even shoot across 1/4 of the map with one, let alone snipe. Changed to sniper rifle because I know it's making you cry. Don't troll new guy or an officer might have bad news for you |
STB-DropTroop EV
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:37:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:STB-DropTroop EV wrote:
Changed to sniper rifle because I know it's making you cry.
*sigh* and with this comment you've gone and proved to everyone that your a crap player who is bleating like a kiwis favourite sheep, you look foolish you should spend less time whining here and more on getting better because the problem is behind the keyboard nub.
Haha, or I can go to bed and prepare for college in the morning.
Go eat you're frito lays and hot pockets child troll.
You're saying sniper rifles don't kill in one hit to any body part across the map if you have all skills for it maxed and you can aim at a red triangle?
Just like every other forum, someone thinks they know everything and has to blurt it out to the world so they can look k00l. Can you guys take your AD/HD meds and stay on topic? |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:42:00 -
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uni student, explains everything, in 3 years you'll drop out and be working in the coal mine with the rest of us :D |
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