Another great point that seems to go over people's heads. How does the new player compete with this?

Like you mentioned in CoD (or other games with perks) there's always a counter...so essentially it comes down to player skill whether you win gunfights or not. Therein is where the satisfaction from the kill comes and that's also why people continuously moan about overpowered killstreaks....they're cheap and frustrating. Getting outgunned or flanked? Oh well, my fault. Getting outgunned because the other player has more cash to invest? That's equally as cheap as Attack Dogz or whatever other crap is in CoD.

Getting killed by a player with better gear in Dust feels exactly the same to me. Even if we both take aim at the same time and are both as accurate, he will win every time. There's no balance to the gun-play. There's no way to counter it other than either buy a ton of gear, or play for hours and hours to unlock everything.

I believe the focus should always be on player skill first and statistics 2nd and the way Dust currently is, doesn't fill me with confidence that CCP will make it this way.

Saying that Dust strongly relies on stats is a lie.
Much like any RPG in Dust what makes your more effective is not only your skills as player but your skills as a character.
In FPS character skills don't exist...unless you are called Borderlands.

Republicans and (some) Christians. Terrible combination the puts this country into more debt and f*cks up the education system

the TLDR, I'm bad and I'm taking my ball and going home, and I'm probably the OPs alt.

Bye.

with that attitude no one wants you in their organized squad which is why you're dying most of the time because you assume this should be based on you're skillz to lolsolo everything

if you guys have such awesome real lives you wouldn't be here now bragging about that while admitting you fail at a team based beta. you would instead go out and live the life you're now bragging about on a video game forum..

oh I'm very gay but that's not the point, didn't you say you were leaving? this is the general discussion forum btw, feedback is 2 doors down. You seem really mad, do you get upset at people not agreeing with you often? its usually a good indication that a person is a bigot.

As for organised squads, yeah they happen quite a bit, a lot of the people I play with like to squad up, tends to ruin my lonewolf game style, but that's life adapt and over come ect, seems better then whining on the forum and threatening to delete the game, not a concept i expect you to understand though.

I agree w OP and supporters - and while I am not a fan of FPS games like CoD, I did manage to level through all 3 PMCs in MAG. So here is the Word from the land of the PS3 gamer: Your little game will always be a LITTLE game, with very few players. Hope they don't spend a lot of money developing it because it sin't going to retain a lot of people who try it.

The reasons are the OP and the responses. OP has a huge point, as my KD ratio is moving BACKWARDS the further up the skill tree I move. Each time I think I have a competetive fit, I try an AMBUSH map and get my ass handed to me. It's gone from bad to worse, and last night I spawned in with a heavy shock suit and armor upgrades, yet fell after being hit with ONE HMG BULLET.

OK so I tried an objective map - which BTW almost NEVER spawns me into at the beginning - I only get in when the game is halfway done. And as soon as I find a defensive position me and 3 other guys are jumped by ONE player, with shield mods so high that 4 of us shooting him and hitting him wasn't enough to take him down. ANd I am Lvl5 AR, lvl4 LW, lvl 4 Sharpshooter, yet had no ability to overcome his shields. I know, lets nerf the shields next!

You see my point - that infinite skill trees just F up the game for almost everyone who comes in on Day 2 or later. It happened in DC Universe - which they thought ppl would be playing in massive quantities and spending REAL $ on as well. Got news for ya CCP - real gamers have about 6months to spare your little offering - if it isn't FUN, or takes too much time we move on to the next offering. I am a month into this Beta and about to delete it from my system as hopelessly overcomplicated, frustratingly difficult to enjoy, and downright annoying.

To the people who think they are 'super FPS players' and criticizing legitimate concerns about this game, and especiall y attacking other players abilities: You are assuming we don't have skills, just becasue we can't devote our lives to carpal tunnel thumbs. Come play me in Rockband, I will whip your ass there and make you look silly and incapable too - I am only a Top 100 player. My point is that being mind-blowingly excellent at a shooter should not be the ONLY way a person can enjoy this game, but it is working out that way.

SO I am deleting this game soon - because it isn't any FUN! I am not enjoying the high blood pressure from finding that even in my meanest suit I am a glass target. I am not enjoying the way they limited railguns to a kilck or less of distance (so silly, railguns should have a range of MANY miles, by their very nature - which tells me PHYSICS are irrelevvant in this game) & I am not enjoying being hit by a dropship sitting on top of a skyscraper on a turretless map. I am not enjoying being spawned into a team who have no tanks and facing a team that fields 4 of them. And I definitely am not enjoying the anger, crass assumptions and simpleton insults that plague this and every other game forum.

None of these geek-boy couch potatos would speak this way to my face - I can bench press most of em. It's amazing how much more respectful people are in person. ANd I have a Real Life - I play this game about an hour or 2 a day, usually while watching Netflix on my iPad LOL. Most "casual gamers"are like me - so make a game for the masses CCP or you will be trying to recoup your investment from a small group of fanboys, psychotic teenagers with no money, and a limited pool of FPS nuts who think their stats in a game somehow turn them into a real Army Ranger or Navy SEAL

I swear you idiots seem to be unable to understand basic reading comprehension - THIS IS A FEEDBACK FORUM! I and others are giving the devs what they asked for - considered response to conditions in the game. YOU are the one filling up a forum with snide little comments trying to start a fight - Effing trolls, got no use for ya.

I gave you a like Reb El. It's the closest thing I've got to a hug.

If it makes little sense to you, try reading it again. It's very simple really.

The player sucks it up finds ways to compete and grinds his way up into the same equipment, like people do in other FPS games, I see players doing this every day when they fight me, they run for the hills and snipe, or grab a shot gun and sneak up behind me, either way they carry on and find ways to take me down, players that have started off like this are now standing toe to toe with me and giving as good as they get.

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Wow, this one made me spit a perfectly good Crown and coke on my monitor. The butthurt is strong with you Grasshoppa. So is the irony when this was your next post..



As for the OP, the nature of the skill tree limits the amount of skills and equipment that can be used at any time. For example, a 100m SP character in an assault suit with an AR is no more effective one on one with a 10m SP player with the same skills applied to that same suit and weapon. The biggest difference is the players RL skills with game mechanics and teamwork. Heavy on the teamwork. Ask around a little bit on what a "Rifter hero" is. The other difference is that the 100m character has more options for gear and equipment loadouts, but can still only use a fraction of total SP at any given time. I've nearly maxed out a sniper in three weeks with a job, wife, social life, and simultaneously skilling three characters. It isn't that hard to find an effective niche to start with and without spending 23/7 playing the game.

You must be doing it wrong.

I gave you a like Reb El. It's the closest thing I've got to a hug.