I'm not the best tanker in the world, but I am pretty decent and can hold my own against higher end tanks in a Madrugar. I've even 1 v 1'ed Lurchasaurus' tank a couple times in the same match, and the outcome was that both our tanks blew up.

I want to ask the major tankers out there how this adjustment affects them. It was a pretty big deal, and the one thing that probably caught people off guard was the amount of nerfs they piled on. They literally put out 6 different nerfs/buffs in one day, all of which negatively impacted tankers.

I believe that this wasn't the way to go. SoonGäó, we will be getting webifiers, and e-war equipment, which will cripple vehicles in general.
Swarms aren't the way to go. Forge Guns are. Dedicated Vehicle combatants. They have rough requirements, and need a Heavy suit to use. So CCP. Take out the Swarm Launcher buff, and instead give it to the Forge Gunners.

Active shield / armor hardeners, and Afterburners / boosters. I think they're just tweaking things in anticipation for the upcoming changes.

I'm mostly concerned about vehicles in general, I mean why bother when the price and so much hard earned SP leads to maybe a few minutes of enjoyable flying / driving before one person decides to just completely destroy that investment with a fraction of the cost and work.

I see this as the wrong question long term. Except for TDM, the focus will be on concrete objectives. Then the question won't be "What do I feel like doing this match?", it will be "What assets does my team require to complete our contract in this battle?"

At that point it may well be worth sacrificing a tank to achieve a breakthrough that changes the course of he battle.

I see this as the wrong question long term. Except for TDM, the focus will be on concrete objectives. Then the question won't be "What do I feel like doing this match?", it will be "What assets does my team require to complete our contract in this battle?"

At that point it may well be worth sacrificing a tank to achieve a breakthrough that changes the course of he battle.

In organized play, these tanks would be a pretty firework show and nothing more. It takes 4 prototype swarms to take down one Sagaris. What exactly do you expect to do with said tank that will achieve a breakthrough?

Pilot suits / Turret speed modules / Chaff / Flares

Things will be very different next build. Meanwhile see what you can do to adapt to the harsh environment.

You might put it in to take out a Blaster installation that is blocking infantry from using a pass. Back it up with enough infantry support to hold off the AV for a minute and/or have two or three Logistics with remote reppers supporting it from behind and it would last long enough to take out the installation.

An addition I'd like to see is infantry deployable point defense equipment. You lay it on the ground similar to a nanohive or drop uplink and it shoots at swarm missiles that come within a certain range. Invaluable as far as making vehicles a team-based tool.

I like this idea, but it isn't even on the drawing board at CCP yet, so hardly what they had in mind when they said tanks require support (what did they have in mind, anyway, b/c these changes do nothing for that).

if tanks weren't meant to take on infantry then there wouldn't be any large blaster turrets.

if tanks weren't meant to take on infantry then there wouldn't be any large blaster turrets.

Hello everyone :)

I would class myself as a beast tanker. I have no SP wasted there. However I have used Sicas to blow up everything, only target I haven't bagged is a black ops HAV. Here's my thoughts.

Yes, it's a great deal of change all at once. However, I have made a HUGE change from Railgun Sica to Blaster Soma. My KDR is going up, my ISK is going up, and my SP is still better in a tank than on foot due to vehicle assist points being insane. I have noticed my tank fills up faster now, because less people are willing to risk their own ISK. So they come risk mine :D

So why a Soma? More health. You never use the armour on a Sica, you do use the shields on the Soma. Having 5k hp and a heavy repper means you can hit hard and fast, but will need to go somewhere safe to regain lost armour. A couple of guys have used militia repair tools, and they speed up this process.

So why a blaster? Because I tried the auto railgun. It's terrible, seems like a rich mans militia blaster, but worse. I haven't skilled missiles this build, but can imagine they would be good. I have killed several enemy tanks and Dropships with the blaster, installations too. People also don't want to stick their face in front of my blaster, allowing me to suppress the enemy while I escape. And I can turn the turret round fast enough that no one is safe.

And yes I run for my life when I see Proto swarms launching. But their Dropsuit is the same cost as my tank roughly... (150k)

Btw Noc, if infantry can't help you against swarmers, you need new infantry.

Hello everyone :)

I would class myself as a beast tanker. I have no SP wasted there. However I have used Sicas to blow up everything, only target I haven't bagged is a black ops HAV. Here's my thoughts.

Yes, it's a great deal of change all at once. However, I have made a HUGE change from Railgun Sica to Blaster Soma. My KDR is going up, my ISK is going up, and my SP is still better in a tank than on foot due to vehicle assist points being insane. I have noticed my tank fills up faster now, because less people are willing to risk their own ISK. So they come risk mine :D

So why a Soma? More health. You never use the armour on a Sica, you do use the shields on the Soma. Having 5k hp and a heavy repper means you can hit hard and fast, but will need to go somewhere safe to regain lost armour. A couple of guys have used militia repair tools, and they speed up this process.

So why a blaster? Because I tried the auto railgun. It's terrible, seems like a rich mans militia blaster, but worse. I haven't skilled missiles this build, but can imagine they would be good. I have killed several enemy tanks and Dropships with the blaster, installations too. People also don't want to stick their face in front of my blaster, allowing me to suppress the enemy while I escape. And I can turn the turret round fast enough that no one is safe.

And yes I run for my life when I see Proto swarms launching. But their Dropsuit is the same cost as my tank roughly... (150k)

Btw Noc, if infantry can't help you against swarmers, you need new infantry.

I can still tank, with or without infantry. I'm hoping some of the nerfs are undone, especially the nerf to railgun turn rate. I used to be able to pop moving LAV's at a distance but cant track anything anymore. There should be some trade offs, low tracking for high damage, faster tracking for lower damage/more splash. As it is the railgun is only good against tanks and installations, and after you kill those you are stuck in a useless and easily killed tank for the rest of the match.

I don't know who you play against then, because I have literally killed Gunloggis and Madrugar's and even a couple of Suryas by running straight behind them, unloading 4 Swarm clusters by spamming the fire button, and then finishing them off by spamming 3 AV grenades. 4000+ Damage from Swarms, about 2000 from AV grenades. Good luck.

- Damage increase on AV. I think this was rolled in prematurely and when in combination with the module changes above have acted like one damage buff on top of another damage buff. Sadly this rebalancing to help with HAVs has had the side effect of making things terrible for Dropships and LAVs.

Welcome to the AV world we are stuck in an AV load out which is easy pray to all infantry. So after we kill a tank or whatever we can not change suits because you tank drivers blew up all the resupply depots.

Grenades are either for AV or infantry nit both. The forge guns and swarms are only good for vehicles not both. although as a fatty the forge guners do take me out on occasion.

A rail gun decision to bring out should be a choice like infantry has to make. It can't be for both.

Assault rifle > SMG or forge for infantry... SMG is beast, but at 50yards... Good luck.

This is one of the best things about bringing a cheap tank, it changes your opponents fits, and makes them hunt you for 5 minutes. Meanwhile your infantry can get their act together. Sure my tanks going to die, but I'm hardly going to get sentimental...