DUST Search - Dev IRC Postings 13th Sept

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Rorek IronBlood wrote:

Not a word on the crusader dropsuit. Well hopefully it will arrive with the pilot operator dropsuit. Thanks for the daily bit of info, Iron Wolf Saber. Hopefully they are not just talking themselves up though. I really would like to see how much more improved the hit detection will (should be) improved next build. That was probably one of the better mentions. Though it means nothing if the server itself is causing the lag, and that is unressolved. So yeah. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose.

Anyway thanks again.

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"CCP> 'PC shooter or Console Shooter Population?'
IRC> 'About 50/50, PC shooters normal the console shooters are a bit atypical and play other games such as RPGs. Also seems to be an overall lack of eve players. '"

Also I do not understand the context of this question about populations. Infact the answer itself from someone in the IRC seems to give an ill informed answer, but I wonder more about the question and it's context then anything. As it was posted as I qouted it.

It was one of the newer ccp guys asking how we feel about the current pool of testers and thier backgrounds, however I wasnt on to answer and the answer generated would mostly match what I would have given cept the eve online part.

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Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.13 22:33:00 - [1] - Quote Well this is what I get for going to bed early. Woke up with last night IRC logs they were not human readable... So I began making it human readable as punishment for getting this information second hand, sheesh takes a while. As stated previously in all IRC postings things here are not to be taken seriously, this is a very informal communication route and itGÇÖs like writing in mud in a rainstorm. Development happens, things change, options mooted. So to keep things from getting out of hand all statements are transcribed and boiled down to conserve space and get the point. Some of these are from previous days but where missed because I wasnGÇÖt on the log is 5 days long so it gives me the opportunity to fill in some blanks. And with me being asleep none of the questions on queue got asked ><. CCP>'Hey guys take a look at this thread, what do you think? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34747&p=1 ' IRC> that would make HAVs useless without a gunner. CCP> 'The dropships are the same way in this aspect. There is nothing stopping you from swapping seats to main gun if you have nobody in your HAV.' IRC> 'That would be unfair to blasters' CCP> 'Yup' IRC> 'What about the turrets being too good against suits since the HP bonus per tier removal?' CCP> 'Has been noted,' Whatcha doin now? 'Testing an update patch for the current build for you guys, a little something to hold over until next build.' Hit Detection? 'You guys are so going to love it in the next build.' DS3 Controllers not working on Dropships 'QA is lookin into it, check the forum post if you got more information send it in' Pilot Suits? 'It is a suit that gives a vehicle a bonus but itGÇÖs bad in foot to foot combat you'll have to find out the rest later.' New Player Experince? 'Improvements are inbound next build expect much better tutorials.' Landing Gear? 'It's cool I had a chance to test them out. It might be in the next build.' Erroneous Attributes adjustments on Vehicles? 'We think itGÇÖs being caused by unrelated modules we're looking into it' HAV mobility testing? 'Currently to slow for our liking with the speed and velocity nerf we're still dialing things around and making adjustments on our build.' Warpoints? We're adding more extravagant ways to get warpoints from transport assists (IE you delivered a soldier that captured a point) to other various things just we didnt have the bandwidth to do it this build. Flaylocks and Scrambler Rifles? 'Not likely this next build' Laser Rifles? 'They're commin' Dropships 'With AV getting re-adjusted we're likely to increase their HP until more elaborate features make it in such as flares and chaff make it in along with better HUD make it in then we will continue gathering feedback once we get those out the door.' CCP> "I still cannot believe you guys still haven't found our unicorn yet?!?" IRC Points at GM Unicorn. IRC> Well the logistics suit looks like a unicorn cept its horn is on his chin. IRC laughs the discussion eventually leads to the notion there is an ingame unicorn somewhere... or CCP is trolling us. What is wrong with shield amps? 'Their resistance numbers are too aggressive we're dialing them back.' Update/Patch? (not a new build mind you) 'It was already pushed back a week due to more bugs being found we hope to deploy either today or tomorrow' What is in the update? 'AV and Vehicle fixes and adjustments for now until we figure out why new items are failing, and of course bug fixes, 'patch' notes will be posted.' New Build? 'Still looking like end of the month,' New Suits Variants? "There was an update but we ran into a market seeding issue, hopefully deployed by next patch.' Controller Configurations? 'We went though that thread and we are discussing adding a few of them.' IRC>Why should I continue to play this build? CCP>'No! You need to play this build more so you can then come and whine at us!' CCP> 'Hey guys have you ever had an incident where your weapons stop firing?' IRC>' Once, mostly happens when the clone suffers a near or probably a death experience and goes walking around afterwards.' hint hint, if any of you guys have this issue and can reproduce it email [email protected] CCP> 'Hey guys do the missiles look right to you?' IRC> 'They look pretty normal like black darts' CCP> 'Kittens! are you sure they donGÇÖt looked like boxes with blue and white checkers on them?' IRC> ? huh? CCP> 'We broke something BRB.' CCP> 'PC shooter or Console Shooter Population?' IRC> [i]'About 50/50, PC shooters normal the console shooters are a bit atypical and play other games such as RPGs. Also seems to be an overall lack of eve players. '
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.13 22:38:00 - [2] - Quote Current Queue of unasked questions for QnA feel free to add your own. 1. The camera feels a bit floaty with a gun attached to it sometimes is there any changes in camera animation to address this? (This is possibly already answered with the new character mobility model posted by CCP Commander Wang) 2. Sniper operators in IRC argued over this for two hours and concluded for at least now that Sniper Rifle sway and recovery should be increased drastically to encourage training to lvl 5. This will award skillful players for making the first shot count while not so skillful can make up for it. Also that damage be scaled down a bit now that suit hp is a bit more normalized. 3. After another long discussion about tank warfare, one idea that emerged was infantry trenches? Your thoughts? 4. The issue of the ever presistent ghost/dud grenades? Annoying as it is any insight to what could be causing the grenades to break? they dont like the idea of slamming into walls. 5. Are the new pilot, crusader, and Command suit going to use new models? or are they going be copy and paste (*shivers) 6. How is API/CREST going to be handled for dust and any realease of coding for it so 3rd party developers can work thier magic?
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.09.13 22:40:00 - [3] - Quote thanks for compiling all of that. you get a like.
Shiro Mokuzan 220	Posted - 2012.09.13 22:42:00 - [4] - Quote I'm glad to know that they're considering disconnecting the driver and main gunner roles.
Logi Bro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 836	Posted - 2012.09.13 22:45:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: 3. After another long discussion about tank warfare, one idea that emerged was infantry trenches? Your thoughts? Could you give a bit more of an explanation about this? Would it be in every game from the beginning, or would players create them via some new piece of equipment? How would these be useful at all anyways?
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.09.13 22:47:00 - [6] - Quote Not a word on the crusader dropsuit. Well hopefully it will arrive with the pilot operator dropsuit. Thanks for the daily bit of info, Iron Wolf Saber. Hopefully they are not just talking themselves up though. I really would like to see how much more improved the hit detection will (should be) improved next build. That was probably one of the better mentions. Though it means nothing if the server itself is causing the lag, and that is unressolved. So yeah. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose. Anyway thanks again. Edit: "CCP> 'PC shooter or Console Shooter Population?' IRC> 'About 50/50, PC shooters normal the console shooters are a bit atypical and play other games such as RPGs. Also seems to be an overall lack of eve players. '" Also I do not understand the context of this question about populations. Infact the answer itself from someone in the IRC seems to give an ill informed answer, but I wonder more about the question and it's context then anything. As it was posted as I qouted it.
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.09.13 22:48:00 - [7] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: 3. After another long discussion about tank warfare, one idea that emerged was infantry trenches? Your thoughts? Could you give a bit more of an explanation about this? Would it be in every game from the beginning, or would players create them via some new piece of equipment? How would these be useful at all anyways? talk about getting backed up into a wall. How would one get out of the trench?
CookieStein 32	Posted - 2012.09.13 22:48:00 - [8] - Quote Don't know if this has been brought up before and can't be kittened to search it. Controller configurations/options...any chance on having the Move Navigation controller function with a mouse as an option to using keyboard?
Daedra Lord9 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 136	Posted - 2012.09.13 22:51:00 - [9] - Quote Shiro Mokuzan wrote: I'm glad to know that they're considering disconnecting the driver and main gunner roles. Personally, I'm not a fan of the idea. I feel like there should be at least one vehicle where you aren't defenseless as driver.
WT Sherman Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 63	Posted - 2012.09.13 22:59:00 - [10] - Quote Trenches would not be effective except as a place where you are trapped and die to the tanks support. If you look over the trench you die and you can't shoot the tank or the support without looking over the edge. Trench warfare really sucked, read some of the books and papers that are out there about this subject. It is easy to get into a trench, you just hop down but how do you get out. If you are in a trench and foot support comes up, where do you go? You are in a trench without cover and nowhere to go to get into cover. If you jump out then the tank or his sniper support kill you. Since a single swarm launch from a proto barely scratches the shield on some of the fits out there, and you are lucky if you stay alive long enough to get a lock and make a launch, just how are we supposed to kill or at least run off the tanks?

HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.09.13 22:59:00 - [11] - Quote @ iron wolf saber the link you have to the thread about hav is not working . Trenches wont solve the splash problem from the rail gun turrets and the based mechanics of splash. They will just splash the infantry trenches and we will be even easier kills, must have been suggested by a tank driver.lol
Thor Thunder Fist Better Hide R Die 79	Posted - 2012.09.13 23:11:00 - [12] - Quote Daedra Lord9 wrote: Shiro Mokuzan wrote: I'm glad to know that they're considering disconnecting the driver and main gunner roles. Personally, I'm not a fan of the idea. I feel like there should be at least one vehicle where you aren't defenseless as driver. I really dislike the idea of separating the driver and main gun into 2 diff positions I'd rather get a damage nerf then not be able to shoot my railgun :( it would also make HAV's useless in pubs and only viable in corps/FW
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.13 23:15:00 - [13] - Quote I feel like I forgot to post something... when I remember.
Scholar Him Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2012.09.13 23:22:00 - [14] - Quote No news on the awful spawn system? I think that's scaring away more players than anything else.
Skytt Syysch Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 235	Posted - 2012.09.13 23:27:00 - [15] - Quote Scholar Him wrote: No news on the awful spawn system? I think that's scaring away more players than anything else. Elaborate on what's wrong with it and we might have something to ask about. At least it's better than last build.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.09.13 23:32:00 - [16] - Quote Thanks again for posting these Iron Wolf. I'm irritated they are thinking of taking the guns away from pilots completely. I believe their thinking needs to be flipped completely. I'd be OK with tank drivers getting a weaker gun though, or a bonus for driving a gunless vehicle. Pilots are the ones investing the skill points, and risking the ISK. Handing it all to skill-less players is my idea of a pilot nightmare. The solution to tank dominance is combat air vehicles. And the counter to them is AV and a possible swarm launcher turret for vehicles. Like in reality. But I digress.. ;) My question - What is the "thing" is that they needed to take care of before bringing in fighters/gunships? (from an earlier IRC reply) It seems they're trying to balance tanks without addressing the real counter that is built for them.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.13 23:34:00 - [17] - Quote Speaking of Missiles, can you suggest CCP impliment to new EVE missile graphics rather than using the current ones? The new missiles on my Drake look ******* amazing in comparison to the swarms.
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.09.13 23:36:00 - [18] - Quote Shiro Mokuzan wrote: I'm glad to know that they're considering disconnecting the driver and main gunner roles. Yes after reading that thread this is the best idea I have seen to help with the one man tanker!
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.09.13 23:41:00 - [19] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Shiro Mokuzan wrote: I'm glad to know that they're considering disconnecting the driver and main gunner roles. Yes after reading that thread this is the best idea I have seen to help with the one man tanker! IMHO, this is a terrible idea, and is a cheap fix. The real issue is the lack of tank killers out there. I say this as someone who plays primarily AV and hates driving tanks.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.13 23:45:00 - [20] - Quote ah i remembered now. there was a comment about tank mobility testing not feeling right. added it to op. You guys also have to remember ccp once thought it was okay for tanks to be one man shows and required no support from the rest of the team.

Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.09.13 23:48:00 - [21] - Quote Any word on a reset for the next build?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.13 23:52:00 - [22] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Not a word on the crusader dropsuit. Well hopefully it will arrive with the pilot operator dropsuit. Thanks for the daily bit of info, Iron Wolf Saber. Hopefully they are not just talking themselves up though. I really would like to see how much more improved the hit detection will (should be) improved next build. That was probably one of the better mentions. Though it means nothing if the server itself is causing the lag, and that is unressolved. So yeah. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose. Anyway thanks again. Edit: "CCP> 'PC shooter or Console Shooter Population?' IRC> 'About 50/50, PC shooters normal the console shooters are a bit atypical and play other games such as RPGs. Also seems to be an overall lack of eve players. '" Also I do not understand the context of this question about populations. Infact the answer itself from someone in the IRC seems to give an ill informed answer, but I wonder more about the question and it's context then anything. As it was posted as I qouted it. It was one of the newer ccp guys asking how we feel about the current pool of testers and thier backgrounds, however I wasnt on to answer and the answer generated would mostly match what I would have given cept the eve online part.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.13 23:52:00 - [23] - Quote Rhadiem wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Shiro Mokuzan wrote: I'm glad to know that they're considering disconnecting the driver and main gunner roles. Yes after reading that thread this is the best idea I have seen to help with the one man tanker! IMHO, this is a terrible idea, and is a cheap fix. The real issue is the lack of tank killers out there. I say this as someone who plays primarily AV and hates driving tanks. It's not really a cheap fix, it's realistic. Just look at Tanks in other games like Battlefield, they require multiple players to be used well.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.13 23:53:00 - [24] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rorek IronBlood wrote: Not a word on the crusader dropsuit. Well hopefully it will arrive with the pilot operator dropsuit. Thanks for the daily bit of info, Iron Wolf Saber. Hopefully they are not just talking themselves up though. I really would like to see how much more improved the hit detection will (should be) improved next build. That was probably one of the better mentions. Though it means nothing if the server itself is causing the lag, and that is unressolved. So yeah. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose. Anyway thanks again. Edit: "CCP> 'PC shooter or Console Shooter Population?' IRC> 'About 50/50, PC shooters normal the console shooters are a bit atypical and play other games such as RPGs. Also seems to be an overall lack of eve players. '" Also I do not understand the context of this question about populations. Infact the answer itself from someone in the IRC seems to give an ill informed answer, but I wonder more about the question and it's context then anything. As it was posted as I qouted it. It was one of the newer ccp guys asking how we feel about the current pool of testers and thier backgrounds, however I wasnt on to answer and the answer generated would mostly match what I would have given cept the eve online part. I feel most of the people here are from EVE.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.14 00:11:00 - [25] - Quote Rhadiem wrote: Any word on a reset for the next build? This was answered in previous posting, yes there will be a reset, Reason: Moving to Tranquility live server.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.09.14 00:20:00 - [26] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Rhadiem wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Shiro Mokuzan wrote: I'm glad to know that they're considering disconnecting the driver and main gunner roles. Yes after reading that thread this is the best idea I have seen to help with the one man tanker! IMHO, this is a terrible idea, and is a cheap fix. The real issue is the lack of tank killers out there. I say this as someone who plays primarily AV and hates driving tanks. It's not really a cheap fix, it's realistic. Just look at Tanks in other games like Battlefield, they require multiple players to be used well. I can be won over to this if CCP can actually reward pilots for flying/driving and not assume they will forgo SP and ISK out of the goodness of their teamwork loving hearts. I love teamwork, but don't want to need to crosstrain in order to earn SP and ISK to do my expensive job.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.14 00:25:00 - [27] - Quote Rhadiem thanks for reminding me CCP said they where going to add many more flavors of Warpoint gains. Including Transport assists.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.09.14 00:28:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rhadiem thanks for reminding me CCP said they where going to add many more flavors of Warpoint gains. Including Transport assists. Very Nice. Finally some reward for being a gutsy taxi driver.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.09.14 00:32:00 - [29] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: I feel most of the people here are from EVE. I suspect the forums may have a stronger EVE following than actual players, but I don't assume this will remain after release.
vint trebble Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 46	Posted - 2012.09.14 00:44:00 - [30] - Quote I am no fan of tanks, but I find that separating the main gun from the driver would be to big of a debuff [even though I love the idea[ when compared to drop ships. Drop ships have the advantage of being on much higher ground, and as a response gives the gunner more targets to look at, while the pilot can focus on driving. If applied to tanks, I could see to much confusion in the means of mobile escape, and painting the right targets. I'm glad to see were getting a patch before the next build, the focus on AV vs Tanks is going to remove some of my personal frustration. Not having to wait until the next build is just that much more satisfying. My question is based around graphics, and though it has been speculated that seeing as we're in CBT that it would be far to big of a file for every update with better graphics. I'd like to hear something more solid. Is the game going to get flashier, and smoother visually as we get closer to release? It's not a selling point for me, but it seems to be for a lot of players. Something official might ease some worries.



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