DUST Search - Dev IRC Postings 13th Sept

Jane DeArc wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

System locks and memory leaks are well known and being investigated no need to keep pestering developers on the same issues over and over again when there are hundreds of other issues to pester as well.

While I don't advocate endless harping about it, there does need to be a squeeky wheel involved.

The current build is incredibly unstable, embarassingly so. To keep forging with new content before fixing old is unthinkable.

This coming from a software engineer, and one who uses daily builds and test driven development. Always meet requirements before whipping out toys. In this case, playing 0-3 matches before being required to power down, power cycle, or halt software is just ridiculous. It being possible to happen repeatedly before you can get one match in is bad.

It's usually a sign that higher ups don't know their kitten holes from their management buzzwords when they force the development to keep making bells and whistles (regardless of how much I like them) before giving reliable access to it.

Of course I support people searching the forums first, and documenting, then sending in to the designated email their bug reports.

On the other hand, no one is really doing that nor cracking down on people who don't so the squeeky wheel is more like a mentally handicapped forum, where not much can be expected except for them to enjoy a free videogame for a period of time.


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Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.13 22:33:00 - [1] - Quote Well this is what I get for going to bed early. Woke up with last night IRC logs they were not human readable... So I began making it human readable as punishment for getting this information second hand, sheesh takes a while. As stated previously in all IRC postings things here are not to be taken seriously, this is a very informal communication route and itGÇÖs like writing in mud in a rainstorm. Development happens, things change, options mooted. So to keep things from getting out of hand all statements are transcribed and boiled down to conserve space and get the point. Some of these are from previous days but where missed because I wasnGÇÖt on the log is 5 days long so it gives me the opportunity to fill in some blanks. And with me being asleep none of the questions on queue got asked ><. CCP>'Hey guys take a look at this thread, what do you think? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34747&p=1 ' IRC> that would make HAVs useless without a gunner. CCP> 'The dropships are the same way in this aspect. There is nothing stopping you from swapping seats to main gun if you have nobody in your HAV.' IRC> 'That would be unfair to blasters' CCP> 'Yup' IRC> 'What about the turrets being too good against suits since the HP bonus per tier removal?' CCP> 'Has been noted,' Whatcha doin now? 'Testing an update patch for the current build for you guys, a little something to hold over until next build.' Hit Detection? 'You guys are so going to love it in the next build.' DS3 Controllers not working on Dropships 'QA is lookin into it, check the forum post if you got more information send it in' Pilot Suits? 'It is a suit that gives a vehicle a bonus but itGÇÖs bad in foot to foot combat you'll have to find out the rest later.' New Player Experince? 'Improvements are inbound next build expect much better tutorials.' Landing Gear? 'It's cool I had a chance to test them out. It might be in the next build.' Erroneous Attributes adjustments on Vehicles? 'We think itGÇÖs being caused by unrelated modules we're looking into it' HAV mobility testing? 'Currently to slow for our liking with the speed and velocity nerf we're still dialing things around and making adjustments on our build.' Warpoints? We're adding more extravagant ways to get warpoints from transport assists (IE you delivered a soldier that captured a point) to other various things just we didnt have the bandwidth to do it this build. Flaylocks and Scrambler Rifles? 'Not likely this next build' Laser Rifles? 'They're commin' Dropships 'With AV getting re-adjusted we're likely to increase their HP until more elaborate features make it in such as flares and chaff make it in along with better HUD make it in then we will continue gathering feedback once we get those out the door.' CCP> "I still cannot believe you guys still haven't found our unicorn yet?!?" IRC Points at GM Unicorn. IRC> Well the logistics suit looks like a unicorn cept its horn is on his chin. IRC laughs the discussion eventually leads to the notion there is an ingame unicorn somewhere... or CCP is trolling us. What is wrong with shield amps? 'Their resistance numbers are too aggressive we're dialing them back.' Update/Patch? (not a new build mind you) 'It was already pushed back a week due to more bugs being found we hope to deploy either today or tomorrow' What is in the update? 'AV and Vehicle fixes and adjustments for now until we figure out why new items are failing, and of course bug fixes, 'patch' notes will be posted.' New Build? 'Still looking like end of the month,' New Suits Variants? "There was an update but we ran into a market seeding issue, hopefully deployed by next patch.' Controller Configurations? 'We went though that thread and we are discussing adding a few of them.' IRC>Why should I continue to play this build? CCP>'No! You need to play this build more so you can then come and whine at us!' CCP> 'Hey guys have you ever had an incident where your weapons stop firing?' IRC>' Once, mostly happens when the clone suffers a near or probably a death experience and goes walking around afterwards.' hint hint, if any of you guys have this issue and can reproduce it email [email protected] CCP> 'Hey guys do the missiles look right to you?' IRC> 'They look pretty normal like black darts' CCP> 'Kittens! are you sure they donGÇÖt looked like boxes with blue and white checkers on them?' IRC> ? huh? CCP> 'We broke something BRB.' CCP> 'PC shooter or Console Shooter Population?' IRC> [i]'About 50/50, PC shooters normal the console shooters are a bit atypical and play other games such as RPGs. Also seems to be an overall lack of eve players. '
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.13 22:38:00 - [2] - Quote Current Queue of unasked questions for QnA feel free to add your own. 1. The camera feels a bit floaty with a gun attached to it sometimes is there any changes in camera animation to address this? (This is possibly already answered with the new character mobility model posted by CCP Commander Wang) 2. Sniper operators in IRC argued over this for two hours and concluded for at least now that Sniper Rifle sway and recovery should be increased drastically to encourage training to lvl 5. This will award skillful players for making the first shot count while not so skillful can make up for it. Also that damage be scaled down a bit now that suit hp is a bit more normalized. 3. After another long discussion about tank warfare, one idea that emerged was infantry trenches? Your thoughts? 4. The issue of the ever presistent ghost/dud grenades? Annoying as it is any insight to what could be causing the grenades to break? they dont like the idea of slamming into walls. 5. Are the new pilot, crusader, and Command suit going to use new models? or are they going be copy and paste (*shivers) 6. How is API/CREST going to be handled for dust and any realease of coding for it so 3rd party developers can work thier magic?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.13 23:15:00 - [3] - Quote I feel like I forgot to post something... when I remember.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.13 23:45:00 - [4] - Quote ah i remembered now. there was a comment about tank mobility testing not feeling right. added it to op. You guys also have to remember ccp once thought it was okay for tanks to be one man shows and required no support from the rest of the team.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.13 23:52:00 - [5] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Not a word on the crusader dropsuit. Well hopefully it will arrive with the pilot operator dropsuit. Thanks for the daily bit of info, Iron Wolf Saber. Hopefully they are not just talking themselves up though. I really would like to see how much more improved the hit detection will (should be) improved next build. That was probably one of the better mentions. Though it means nothing if the server itself is causing the lag, and that is unressolved. So yeah. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose. Anyway thanks again. Edit: "CCP> 'PC shooter or Console Shooter Population?' IRC> 'About 50/50, PC shooters normal the console shooters are a bit atypical and play other games such as RPGs. Also seems to be an overall lack of eve players. '" Also I do not understand the context of this question about populations. Infact the answer itself from someone in the IRC seems to give an ill informed answer, but I wonder more about the question and it's context then anything. As it was posted as I qouted it. It was one of the newer ccp guys asking how we feel about the current pool of testers and thier backgrounds, however I wasnt on to answer and the answer generated would mostly match what I would have given cept the eve online part.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.14 00:11:00 - [6] - Quote Rhadiem wrote: Any word on a reset for the next build? This was answered in previous posting, yes there will be a reset, Reason: Moving to Tranquility live server.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.14 00:25:00 - [7] - Quote Rhadiem thanks for reminding me CCP said they where going to add many more flavors of Warpoint gains. Including Transport assists.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.14 00:46:00 - [8] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Not a word on the crusader dropsuit. Well hopefully it will arrive with the pilot operator dropsuit. Thanks for the daily bit of info, Iron Wolf Saber. Hopefully they are not just talking themselves up though. I really would like to see how much more improved the hit detection will (should be) improved next build. That was probably one of the better mentions. Though it means nothing if the server itself is causing the lag, and that is unressolved. So yeah. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose. Anyway thanks again. Edit: Cruader dropsuits are squad command suits but chances are we'd get that answer if we asked nothing to slot layout or even combat poweress.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.14 01:42:00 - [9] - Quote System locks and memory leaks are well known and being investigated no need to keep pestering developers on the same issues over and over again when there are hundreds of other issues to pester as well.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.14 01:51:00 - [10] - Quote You should also note that IRC has stopped calling them tanks. and started calling them Ultra Heavy Dropsuits.

Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.14 03:41:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Frame has a special surpize for all of us tonight.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.14 04:07:00 - [12] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: give my dropships a nose cannon, only has to be a small turret linked into the vertical aspect of the right analog stick, then ill pay tanks comments about tanks being undrivable or useless outside of arranged squads. also if the tanks do become driver/main turret separated, you could give tanks a more realistic control scheme across both analog sticks!!!!.../half joking :P my viper fit (advanced modules :P) took out its first madruger last night :), tank driver seemed distracted and after a bit didnt try to shoot me at all... just had to dodge swarms when getting in close to finish the tank off. :P So my question: Any news on Gunships? No new on gunships you can ask after we launch.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.14 04:08:00 - [13] - Quote Shiro Mokuzan wrote: Yeah, I think driving a tank with both sticks would be fun. if they remove the driver from gunner role this please!
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.14 05:58:00 - [14] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Hm. So what is this "surprise" may I ask, Iron Wolf Saber? Also is anyone else getting burned out? I have to ask simply because, during the E3 build I played drastically more then I have this build. I have not even breached two million skill points. Not because, I am horrible at the game -- I'm averaging a strong two and half to one kill to death ratio. Infact last time I played I made just shy of twenty kills and next persons under me on either team was eleven. Anyway. I just feel really burned out already. Not that it's just Dust514, but really all games. I'm just burned out I suppose, but is anyone else getting burned out? Sad is it not?... click dev post.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.14 19:17:00 - [15] - Quote Jane DeArc wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: System locks and memory leaks are well known and being investigated no need to keep pestering developers on the same issues over and over again when there are hundreds of other issues to pester as well. While I don't advocate endless harping about it, there does need to be a squeeky wheel involved. The current build is incredibly unstable, embarassingly so. To keep forging with new content before fixing old is unthinkable. This coming from a software engineer, and one who uses daily builds and test driven development. Always meet requirements before whipping out toys. In this case, playing 0-3 matches before being required to power down, power cycle, or halt software is just ridiculous. It being possible to happen repeatedly before you can get one match in is bad. It's usually a sign that higher ups don't know their kitten holes from their management buzzwords when they force the development to keep making bells and whistles (regardless of how much I like them) before giving reliable access to it. Of course I support people searching the forums first, and documenting, then sending in to the designated email their bug reports. On the other hand, no one is really doing that nor cracking down on people who don't so the squeeky wheel is more like a mentally handicapped forum, where not much can be expected except for them to enjoy a free videogame for a period of time. CCP uses scrumming to develop so teams dedicated to content can focus while teams for bug hunting can focus on thier ends just right now they're creating alot of what you would called technical debt. However they're on a tight schedule as well and to stop everything just to test a stability fix or prioirtize a stability fix that may or may not work isnt going to help make the game complete, you just would wind up with a stable gunless game. All in all it needs ot be load balanced and stability imo I would shift as priority over the wonky swarm launcher or grenade fall thoughs. However it seems latency issues is on thier biggest to do list with hit detection.