It's time for you to answer this CCP.
Please say something because the entire world knows Dust 514 is a poor FPS: the NDA din't work, nor the journalist made positive previews so you must address this.


Oh, and I am not trolling, I am serious.

Honestly pick up CS or BF:BC 1&2, or KZ, or Crysis 1, or any other FPS it comes to you mind on PS3.
Play it for 2-3 hours and you will understand what I mean.

Now I spent months repeating the same things so please use the search button and read what I said if you want details.

Honestly pick up CS or BF:BC 1&2, or KZ, or Crysis 1, or any other FPS it comes to you mind on PS3.
Play it for 2-3 hours and you will understand what I mean.

Honestly pick up CS or BF:BC 1&2, or KZ, or Crysis 1, or any other FPS it comes to you mind on PS3.
Play it for 2-3 hours and you will understand what I mean.

Now I spent months repeating the same things so please use the search button and read what I said if you want details.

Where can I get beta versions of those games?

CS has more people playing it than all CoD combined. It's not niche. It's the best.
Kz 1/2/3 regarded as some of the best FPS on ps3. The controls were smooth, but guns had (shock horror) recoil.

For you no FPS is good.
I can name the best FPS on the market and yet you still deny they are good.

Really it's impossible to reason with you.

so your saying pick up a finished product and compare it to a beta. Sorry can we please hold judgments till after the beta is finished?

I asked a serious question.
I AM SERIOUS.

Now let's be serious and wait for CCP to answer.
No comments, no provocations: I just want an answer.

CCP can you fix the gameplay or not?

I disagree Iron Wolf Sabre, once you get into CS you realize that there's a reason the game has lasted for more than a decade. It has flawless balance, except for 2 weapons, the AWP and Deagle, which require accuracy and are only dominant in their particular ranges. Also, the map design is some of the best and it has a fun factor that currently is much higher than Dusts.

can someone explain to me why all games are supposed to be the same?

I hear alot about core game. I attribute this to mean the game engine?

another question: when DUST was announced as FPSRPG did people not understand that RPG games usually have elemental circles

fire>wood>water>rock>fire

I gave up on FPS, because they bored me, but if it makes DUST a good game then lets discuss "stuffs"

CS Sucks its an extremly difficult game that shuts out alot of players from entering its too niche
....
and the stupid purchase a kit before going is quite punishing because you have no idea what to buy for ever round.

It's time for you to answer this CCP.
Please say something because the entire world knows Dust 514 is a poor FPS: the NDA din't work, nor the journalist made positive previews so you must address this.


Oh, and I am not trolling, I am serious.

Gunplay thread

Please see this thread and add to discussion.

Thanks.

I disagree Iron Wolf Sabre, once you get into CS you realize that there's a reason the game has lasted for more than a decade. It has flawless balance, except for 2 weapons, the AWP and Deagle, which require accuracy and are only dominant in their particular ranges. Also, the map design is some of the best and it has a fun factor that currently is much higher than Dusts.

Look, we're comparing 14 year old games in some cases. If the beta isn't as good as a 14 year old game which could run on p100mhz processor, thete's something wrong. How much longer do YOU think this should be a beta for? Another 6 months? A year? Well?

@24million Iron Wolf
Check steams stats. There's always more CS players than all the CoDs combined. CoD probably sold more, but that's like saying WoW>EvE. It's just wrong :P

I asked a serious question.
I AM SERIOUS.

Now let's be serious and wait for CCP to answer.
No comments, no provocations: I just want an answer.

CCP can you fix the gameplay or not?

Can you explain what's broken? Outside the hit detection, memory leaks, lag, stability, lack of optimizatoin and character mobility model?

I am quite serious.

What's the point of a thread like this ? Can you ask a carpenter to "fix" a house that's being built ? I understand your question was serious, but your reflexion lacks.

Most people here are frustrated because they are hurried to see this game achieve its initial promise, and play it as it should be played. It's a classic case of loving the form against hating the function.

Don't you think CCP is quite aware of the challenges they have in making this game ? Do you actually believe the devs don't know that there are still numerous bugs and fixes to be applied ?

Or do you think that by reminding CCP to "please fix gameplay" they'll slap their foreheads and go "Oh shoot, thanks, we forgot" ?

Be patient, soldier. Keep reporting those bugs and help shape this game the way you see it GÇö as we all do. When it comes out you'll be glad you were there.

Serious Tryhards would have bothered leaving a post worthy of a dozen likes.

In the mechanic is something very wrong. I can't say what it is. Its just feels blunt, playing the game does not feel cocnnectet, its like we play in a viscous atmosphere where every thing is wrapped. Yesterday I played a little Killzone2. I remember this game as a "boring-action" but playing it after I use to Dust this game (Killzone2) feels like a manifestation.
My curiosity force me to put BF3 back in to the PS3 and holyf*ck, let me tell you it feels so great.
The game mechanic needs a lot more improvement.

I'm not talking about the concept, this posting is dedicated only to the feeling of the mechanic.

Only FPS I've enjoyed since Bad company 2, Duke Nukem, and if you want to include it, Savage 2, and I've played the first BC, BF3, any CoD that isn't MW3, CS, Combat Arms, avoided any of the other CoDs I.E, Killzones.

Both Bad company and Duke Nukem, were played solely to **** around on, and brought me the most fun I`ve had in any game. This, for playing properly, is just as good.

Only major issues I see,

Tank = God
Dropship = God
Modules don`t do enough. They need to make it more about who can design a fitting better than who can run `n` gun better.
Logistics can take on every role
DC's
Invalid Fittings

Even Latency issues, and hit detection are working great at this point, anybody that's been complaining either has a garbage connection or can't aim.

Frame rate, lag, invalid, hard freezes an somehow making "players" play the game right. It's quite a big ask. Then there balancing latency. Which is a no :p
Ping > Skill
(all FPS games are this way)

To use you analogy I am asking if CCP CAN fix the foundation of this "house" because we are now at the at the 10th floor and the building is already falling apart.
It's all about making this "house" not fall when people will enter it.

Second if CCP is aware then why they keep going in the wrong direction and keep adding more "floors" to this house.

People here need to know if this game is still worth testing or it's a lost cause.
We asked for moths and now answer came.

I never noticed a keyboard and mouse player standing out of the crowd.

I did, i use to have a average K/D ratio about 1,3 depending on FPS.
It was about the same in Dust to, now I'm at 0,8. I play always a "logistic" or a class who comes next to it.
(I have a lot of other indications)

BTW there is another problem, the problem being a logistic ( its a ccp wide problem, in eve online logic have a hard time as well).


1. It is tacking way to long to receive the points for repairing, repairing a Scout or a Assault is "pointless" (haha you get the wordplay?). Repairing makes only sense on a heavy or on a vehicle.
2. The second problem is that the unit you try to repair don't know that there is some one behind trying to help. So the very most people just runs out of your range.
3. Mini Map. it would be great if other players who are damaged could see remote armor repair units on the field.
4. Nano Injectors. Well ... Nano Injectors did work yes, but its hard as **** to get them in the person i like to revive. I would be nice if you could just hammering this thing right in to the one ling to your feet without making the "holy crap where the **** is this right spot dance" which looks like diarrhea to other who watching it.
5. Drop suits should get bonuses like 5% per skill on rap, or hacking speed, own repair amount, you could separate this between the races.
6. Leader-boards. Well this problem is in EVE very similar, the logistics don't get the tribute they should get. All you see is a top leader on the board who killed a lot of people without dying, but you don't see that there are three logis behind him, doing their best to keep him alive. More esteem for the logic would be nice. May be a support tap on the leader-board.

The leader/squad management is broken as well.

I did, i use to have a average K/D ratio about 1,3 depending on FPS.
It was about the same in Dust to, now I'm at 0,8. I play always a "logistic" or a class who comes next to it.
(I have a lot of other indications)

BTW there is another problem, the problem being a logistic ( its a ccp wide problem, in eve online logic have a hard time as well).


1. It is tacking way to long to receive the points for repairing, repairing a Scout or a Assault is "pointless" (haha you get the wordplay?). Repairing makes only sense on a heavy or on a vehicle.
2. The second problem is that the unit you try to repair don't know that there is some one behind trying to help. So the very most people just runs out of your range.
3. Mini Map. it would be great if other players who are damaged could see remote armor repair units on the field.
4. Nano Injectors. Well ... Nano Injectors did work yes, but its hard as **** to get them in the person i like to revive. I would be nice if you could just hammering this thing right in to the one ling to your feet without making the "holy crap where the **** is this right spot dance" which looks like diarrhea to other who watching it.
5. Drop suits should get bonuses like 5% per skill on rap, or hacking speed, own repair amount, you could separate this between the races.
6. Leader-boards. Well this problem is in EVE very similar, the logistics don't get the tribute they should get. All you see is a top leader on the board who killed a lot of people without dying, but you don't see that there are three logis behind him, doing their best to keep him alive. More esteem for the logic would be nice. May be a support tap on the leader-board.

The leader/squad management is broken as well.

We made threads about that, and much more, and CCP didn't answer.
We elaborated and they din't answer.

This time I put things simply and you tell me to elaborate.

Did you search my feedback or not anyway?

this is it ! I'm not going to play this game as long as there is no new build.
My PS3 crashed today after a battle inthe loading time, it takes the ps3 way to long to boot again.

i'm a little scared with there crashes.

It's time for you to answer this CCP.
Please say something because the entire world knows Dust 514 is a poor FPS: the NDA din't work, nor the journalist made positive previews so you must address this.


Oh, and I am not trolling, I am serious.

If you feel that way.... go to another game.... why stay with DUST 514 if you really feel that way?

Console Gamers are not use to crashes, because a good product just don't crash and Dust is the first Game that makes my PS3 do it in 5 years.

You had to be there when they were in development. You still going to cry "but it's a beta" after Dust is released? Jog on.

Look, we're comparing 14 year old games in some cases. If the beta isn't as good as a 14 year old game which could run on p100mhz processor, thete's something wrong. How much longer do YOU think this should be a beta for? Another 6 months? A year? Well?

You realize we still have 4 months till open beta? Also that CCP has stated that they have an ongoing log of all of the issues we're bringing up, but that they don't want to work further on balance and gameplay related issues until the software has more of the assets in? And that it'll likely be quite a few months after the start of Open Beta, and possibly even until next summer that the game will actually launch?

Whatever you can say about how the game works now, this isn't what we'll be playing in a few month's time. The focus needs to be on fleshing out the sandbox before you can get back to core mechanics, because 'balancing' those with an incomplete sandbox is how you end up with all the issues Starhawk had at launch, and that's something that none of us want.

First, @ the last couple posters ... Open beta is coming VERY soon.

Second, Templar Two I'm not going to play know-it-all or attack you. You're a cool guy and I like you. However, I will say this:

While I and others are familiar with your past posts, saying "Just search my posts" is going to be mostly fruitless. You've been here for months and you have many posts. Most people on the forums cannot be bothered to sift through them all.

If you have a serious qualm with how things are progressing. You need to be plain. You need to spell out all your concerns in black and white, instead of saying "I've said it before, look it up." Otherwise, creating a new post serves no purpose. You're not adding anything new to the discuss, it's just a more polite version of the spam posts saying "LOLZ CCP UR GA3M SUXXORS".

I know you're better than the guys who post crap, and I know of your concerns. They're worth listening to, so I really think you should edit your first post, and detail out one more time what you think needs fixing :)

First who said we have 4 months till open beta?
Seconds Dust is WILL be released in 2012.


As for the sandbox elements they don't exist because Dust is not open world and we are bound by invisible walls & timers in machetes: no actual sandbox elements.
Choosing on what planet to fight is not enough to make Dust a sandbox.

Templar, the only thing we're testing right now is the high-sec matchmaking system designed primarily for the kind of people that have been making all the posts about "not giving a **** about metagame". They've already said in the Fanfest presentations that we'll be looking at battlefields in Faction Warfare that can be as large as continents in Planetside 2. They've also made it fairly clear that the player counts for those fights are going to be far larger than what we're looking at right now, and the null-sec conquest system will probably support counts higher than that.

I'm confident in this because you have to remember that CCP are the producers of the only MMO to have no player caps. Back at Fanfest 2011, they showed metrics from a 3200 player fight. Yes, that was 3200 players not only in the same system, but all on the same grid. Do I think we're going to see that in Dust: no. Do I think CCP is going to jump through ******* hoops to get the player counts as large as they possibly can: not a doubt in my mind.

EDIT: Also, see my previous post for an answer to your first question. Dust was originally expected to release this summer, by the way. If there's one thing all of us from EVE have learned about CCP, its to take their release dates with a grain of salt.

I edited my OP.
Now i made a short summary of what need to be fixed.
If CCP wants more details just have to read the forums.



We won't get maps as big a PlanetSide 2, the PS3 can't handle that.
Also at the moment Dust can't even handle 32 vs 32 right and maps are barren/empty...much like space in EVE.
Not to forget that EVE has a "slow time" feature when the servers are too stressed and that trick doesn't work in FPS.
I am sure that 3k could work but at what cost: even worst graphic, even poorer hit detection!?

Still stretching the development of a game is expensive, especially nowadays, especially for a Free to Play.
CCP can't afford to delay Dust much more: they don't have the money nor the people of Activision or SquareEnix.
Square can afford to fix FFXIV but I don't know if CCP can afford to fix Dust...thus my original question.