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Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:01:00 -
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It's time for you to answer this CCP.
Please say something because the entire world knows Dust 514 is a poor FPS: the NDA din't work, nor the journalist made positive previews so you must address this.
Oh, and I am not trolling, I am serious.
EIDIT
Now here a short version of what 's needs to be fixed:
-Controls are unresponsive and vehicle handling is very poor...even in Crysis 1 tanks works better and you use them once.
You need to re-make them form scratch for vehicles and make them work well for guns.
-Character animations are very poor on all the line compared to titles like BF or KZ or Crysis, or Halo.
In the end it all looks unnatural and not fluid.
Weapons are also held unnaturally by the character.
-Haptic feedback from guns, actions, damage, and driving vehicles is nonexistent.
-Weapons and vehicles don't feel empowering to use (mostly due to the absolute lack of haptic feedback) but also because animation for guns & vehicles are poor.
Swarm launcher are especially pathetic compared to Swarm launchers in Killsone 3 or even the omnipresent RPG.
Vehicles are poorly animated; in Crysis they move/look better...BF is on another level altogether.
-Weapons are mostly weightless.
-Camera is poor for ADS, is poor for vehicles, is poor for third person + we don't have cockpit view for Dropships and the camera in first person for vehicles is poor.
Also camera is barely impacted by movement/damage making everything looks even more fake/poor.
-Hit detection is still poor, so lag.
-Sound design is poor.
Weapons in Star Wars sound right and are as fictional as those in Dust.
This makes everything feel even more shallow not to mention that it impacts gameplay because sounds are useful clues in FPS and help you to feel more immersed.
-Draw Distance is poor and directly impact the gamepaly negatively.
-Maps are not designed with gampaly in mind.
Overall if you look at nowadays shooters and you will find examples as big as earth of why Dust has poor gameplay.
Play the major FPS on PS3 and they all beat Dust hands down on gameplay. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:07:00 -
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Frame rate, lag, invalid, hard freezes an somehow making "players" play the game right. It's quite a big ask. Then there balancing latency. Which is a no :p
Ping > Skill
(all FPS games are this way) |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:09:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:It's time for you to answer this CCP.
Please say something because the entire world knows Dust 514 is a poor FPS: the NDA din't work, nor the journalist made positive previews so you must address this.
Oh, and I am not trolling, I am serious.
Can you explain what's broken? Outside the hit detection, memory leaks, lag, stability, lack of optimizatoin and character mobility model?
I am quite serious. |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:16:00 -
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Honestly pick up CS or BF:BC 1&2, or KZ, or Crysis 1, or any other FPS it comes to you mind on PS3.
Play it for 2-3 hours and you will understand what I mean.
Now I spent months repeating the same things so please use the search button and read what I said if you want details. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
131
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:22:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:Honestly pick up CS or BF:BC 1&2, or KZ, or Crysis 1, or any other FPS it comes to you mind on PS3.
Play it for 2-3 hours and you will understand what I mean.
Now I spent months repeating the same things so please use the search button and read what I said if you want details.
I don't normally like FPS games, so the reason I like Dust is because it isn't the same as those games. There's still a lot they can do to improve Dust, but the gameplay itself I like a lot.
If you don't like how Dust plays, maybe it just isn't the game for you in the same way that BF, Call of Duty, Killzone, etc aren't the games for me. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
437
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:23:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:Honestly pick up CS or BF:BC 1&2, or KZ, or Crysis 1, or any other FPS it comes to you mind on PS3.
Play it for 2-3 hours and you will understand what I mean.
Where can I get beta versions of those games? |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:24:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:Honestly pick up CS or BF:BC 1&2, or KZ, or Crysis 1, or any other FPS it comes to you mind on PS3.
Play it for 2-3 hours and you will understand what I mean.
Now I spent months repeating the same things so please use the search button and read what I said if you want details.
CS Sucks its an extremly difficult game that shuts out alot of players from entering its too niche and there is some frame rate issues even on low settings and I have a computer capable of running crysis at max setting without skipping a beat. Its full of people I expect to find in consoles shooters on xbox which is a very sad day for pc shooters and the stupid purchase a kit before going is quite punishing because you have no idea what to buy for ever round.
Killzone 1/2 was a shooter on pegs the controls where horrendously not smooth at all, I shouldnt be shooting ears or shoulders off of my enemies when I try to hit the stuff in between, the game wasnt challenging enough if I could progress by shooting off ears and shoulders. The story line was non-existent are dont care for shooting helgast at all. they provide me no reason for killing them and they're not fun to kill.
Crysis 1 was innovative slapped over medicore, I felt disapointed as I did with doom 3, its all nice and fancy and somehwere along the line of trying to make some truely aswome features they forgot to put in a game in there somewhere.
Baffel field BC was a mistake, its been regarded just as large of a mistake as the single player in Battlefield 3. Why waste development money on something they're not good at? Stick to multiplayer which despite some of its fustrations works rather well. Just right now the feeling that EA is moneykittening the entire franchise is leaving a bad taste in our mouths.
Why you got to pick some of the generic run of the mill shooters? |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:31:00 -
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CS has more people playing it than all CoD combined. It's not niche. It's the best.
Kz 1/2/3 regarded as some of the best FPS on ps3. The controls were smooth, but guns had (shock horror) recoil. |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:32:00 -
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For you no FPS is good.
I can name the best FPS on the market and yet you still deny they are good.
Really it's impossible to reason with you. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:33:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Templar Two wrote:Honestly pick up CS or BF:BC 1&2, or KZ, or Crysis 1, or any other FPS it comes to you mind on PS3.
Play it for 2-3 hours and you will understand what I mean. Where can I get beta versions of those games?
You had to be there when they were in development. You still going to cry "but it's a beta" after Dust is released? Jog on. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:33:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:CS has more people playing it than all CoD combined. It's not niche. It's the best.
Kz 1/2/3 regarded as some of the best FPS on ps3. The controls were smooth, but guns had (shock horror) recoil.
24 million? |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:33:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:For you no FPS is good.
I can name the best FPS on the market and yet you still deny they are good.
Really it's impossible to reason with you.
Its just as impossible to reason with you as well. |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
360
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:34:00 -
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so your saying pick up a finished product and compare it to a beta. Sorry can we please hold judgments till after the beta is finished? |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:36:00 -
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Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:so your saying pick up a finished product and compare it to a beta. Sorry can we please hold judgments till after the beta is finished?
Considering how ccp treats its products I dont think they would ever be finished, at least unlike duke nukem itis they invite players for the development process. |
Beast Beastlington
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
237
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:39:00 -
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Gunplay thread
Please see this thread and add to discussion.
Thanks. |
Athene Alland
Red Fox Brigade
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:40:00 -
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I think the point is that these things do need improvement,
but to do that CCP needs us to play...
so they can get the data to make the adjustments....
and there have been changes for the better over the life of this beta.
ie, there are fixes needed, but there is much more to be added as this is a beta...
so be patient, and see what changes in next build?
- 'Ad Mortis Nos Tripudio' - |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:40:00 -
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Look, we're comparing 14 year old games in some cases. If the beta isn't as good as a 14 year old game which could run on p100mhz processor, thete's something wrong. How much longer do YOU think this should be a beta for? Another 6 months? A year? Well?
@24million Iron Wolf
Check steams stats. There's always more CS players than all the CoDs combined. CoD probably sold more, but that's like saying WoW>EvE. It's just wrong :P |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:41:00 -
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I asked a serious question.
I AM SERIOUS.
Now let's be serious and wait for CCP to answer.
No comments, no provocations: I just want an answer.
CCP can you fix the gameplay or not? |
Icy Tiger
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:41:00 -
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I disagree Iron Wolf Sabre, once you get into CS you realize that there's a reason the game has lasted for more than a decade. It has flawless balance, except for 2 weapons, the AWP and Deagle, which require accuracy and are only dominant in their particular ranges. Also, the map design is some of the best and it has a fun factor that currently is much higher than Dusts. |
Beast Beastlington
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
237
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:44:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:I asked a serious question.
I AM SERIOUS.
Now let's be serious and wait for CCP to answer.
No comments, no provocations: I just want an answer.
CCP can you fix the gameplay or not?
You have to be a little more specific. Is it the gunplay you are referring to?
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Billi Gene
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
130
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:45:00 -
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can someone explain to me why all games are supposed to be the same?
I hear alot about core game. I attribute this to mean the game engine?
another question: when DUST was announced as FPSRPG did people not understand that RPG games usually have elemental circles
fire>wood>water>rock>fire
I gave up on FPS, because they bored me, but if it makes DUST a good game then lets discuss "stuffs"  |
Beast Beastlington
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
237
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:45:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:I disagree Iron Wolf Sabre, once you get into CS you realize that there's a reason the game has lasted for more than a decade. It has flawless balance, except for 2 weapons, the AWP and Deagle, which require accuracy and are only dominant in their particular ranges. Also, the map design is some of the best and it has a fun factor that currently is much higher than Dusts.
Not to mention the fantastic sound design, gunplay and the satisfaction you get from the kill.
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Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:46:00 -
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Dust was never advertised as a FPS RPG.
It was advertised as a FPSMMO.
RPG is not MMO. |
Beast Beastlington
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
237
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:52:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:can someone explain to me why all games are supposed to be the same? I hear alot about core game. I attribute this to mean the game engine? another question: when DUST was announced as FPSRPG did people not understand that RPG games usually have elemental circles fire>wood>water>rock>fire I gave up on FPS, because they bored me, but if it makes DUST a good game then lets discuss "stuffs"
Not all games are supposed to be the same but there's a standard that games have to achieve in order to be competitive.
How many FPS's out there have empty servers at present? Why is that? What draws people to Call of Duty, Counter Strike, Team Fortress or Battlefield year after year? It's more than hype...hype will only carry a game for so long. What are the elements that these games have over others?
For me, it's accessibility, fun, persistence, GFX, sound, gunplay.
All of the games above, even with their numerous faults do all of the above better than Dust (currently).
Even second tier games like Section 8: Prejudice, MAG and Homefront have better core gameplay mechanics.
That's not to say that Dust will not match them.
No one is going to play this for RPG elements alone. It has to provide fantastic, smooth gunplay and epic battlefield (not the game) moments.
I am massively excited for Dust, I hope it can match it's potential and I HOPE that CCP are listening and working on these issues. |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:54:00 -
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^^^
Yous ask me details on gameplay but from what I read here you already know what I am talking about. |
Immortiano Dranon
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
179
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:58:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
CS Sucks its an extremly difficult game that shuts out alot of players from entering its too niche
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and the stupid purchase a kit before going is quite punishing because you have no idea what to buy for ever round.
wow. ROFL. LMAO. I've never met anyone not capable of understanding Counter-Strike. You sir are special. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:58:00 -
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People ask to be facetious. Makes them feel big and clever. Tards should thinks for themselves for 10 seconds. I don't think it'd kill em. |
SWAGIZM
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.09.10 13:03:00 -
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I'd like it just to run smooth on PS3 hardware. The whole thing smacks of a poorly downgraded PC port |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.09.10 13:05:00 -
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at the moment DUST is no where near being a AAA game like CCP boasts it will be
at the moment i dont think it ever will be a AAA game BUT i await this new build to see if the core stuff has been fixed, if not then prob wont ever be a AAA game |
J0hlss0n
Doomheim
30
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Posted - 2012.09.10 13:08:00 -
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When it comes to difficult games to get started with, I don't think anyone would have a problem with understanding and getting started with CS compared to Dust, several of the ones who got a code close to me has simply stopped playing it because of the fact that it "shuts out casual players". =)
And yes, I know, I know, "it's a beta", we will all see the day the game launches what it can and cannot be compared with, good or bad... =) |
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