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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:09:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:It's time for you to answer this CCP. Please say something because the entire world knows Dust 514 is a poor FPS: the NDA din't work, nor the journalist made positive previews so you must address this.
Oh, and I am not trolling, I am serious.
Can you explain what's broken? Outside the hit detection, memory leaks, lag, stability, lack of optimizatoin and character mobility model?
I am quite serious. |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:24:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:Honestly pick up CS or BF:BC 1&2, or KZ, or Crysis 1, or any other FPS it comes to you mind on PS3. Play it for 2-3 hours and you will understand what I mean.
Now I spent months repeating the same things so please use the search button and read what I said if you want details.
CS Sucks its an extremly difficult game that shuts out alot of players from entering its too niche and there is some frame rate issues even on low settings and I have a computer capable of running crysis at max setting without skipping a beat. Its full of people I expect to find in consoles shooters on xbox which is a very sad day for pc shooters and the stupid purchase a kit before going is quite punishing because you have no idea what to buy for ever round.
Killzone 1/2 was a shooter on pegs the controls where horrendously not smooth at all, I shouldnt be shooting ears or shoulders off of my enemies when I try to hit the stuff in between, the game wasnt challenging enough if I could progress by shooting off ears and shoulders. The story line was non-existent are dont care for shooting helgast at all. they provide me no reason for killing them and they're not fun to kill.
Crysis 1 was innovative slapped over medicore, I felt disapointed as I did with doom 3, its all nice and fancy and somehwere along the line of trying to make some truely aswome features they forgot to put in a game in there somewhere.
Baffel field BC was a mistake, its been regarded just as large of a mistake as the single player in Battlefield 3. Why waste development money on something they're not good at? Stick to multiplayer which despite some of its fustrations works rather well. Just right now the feeling that EA is moneykittening the entire franchise is leaving a bad taste in our mouths.
Why you got to pick some of the generic run of the mill shooters? |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:33:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:CS has more people playing it than all CoD combined. It's not niche. It's the best. Kz 1/2/3 regarded as some of the best FPS on ps3. The controls were smooth, but guns had (shock horror) recoil.
24 million? |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:33:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:For you no FPS is good. I can name the best FPS on the market and yet you still deny they are good.
Really it's impossible to reason with you.
Its just as impossible to reason with you as well. |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:36:00 -
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Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:so your saying pick up a finished product and compare it to a beta. Sorry can we please hold judgments till after the beta is finished?
Considering how ccp treats its products I dont think they would ever be finished, at least unlike duke nukem itis they invite players for the development process. |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 13:17:00 -
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Beast Beastlington wrote:
Nice read great thread I hope it gets some ccp love. |
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Icy Tiger wrote:I disagree Iron Wolf Sabre, once you get into CS you realize that there's a reason the game has lasted for more than a decade. It has flawless balance, except for 2 weapons, the AWP and Deagle, which require accuracy and are only dominant in their particular ranges. Also, the map design is some of the best and it has a fun factor that currently is much higher than Dusts.
8 years on the flight deck as made me deaf. Sound is not a luxury for me. CS just constantly feels like an elite club that scrubs or non-cores like myself cant are aren't allowed into. It feels like Star craft 2 tinfoil league vs diamond league far too often. You as a player knows how everything works but the game does not lend itself to furthering into player progression. Its like being day 1 in the NFL and you never had any competitive level football before.
As for the maps they're okay they're not terribly over cluttered or over bland or over flashy or have arbitrarily bad layouts. Then again I haven't been impressed with maps for decades in any game because a lot of shooters don't fail at making them. |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 13:28:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Look, we're comparing 14 year old games in some cases. If the beta isn't as good as a 14 year old game which could run on p100mhz processor, thete's something wrong. How much longer do YOU think this should be a beta for? Another 6 months? A year? Well?
@24million Iron Wolf Check steams stats. There's always more CS players than all the CoDs combined. CoD probably sold more, but that's like saying WoW>EvE. It's just wrong :P
I just scrolled to the bottom of the leader boards on xbox version mind you this was months ago and I was being a bit silly. With the emergence of other online stores steam stats are slightly washed down now a days and Activision is looking towards its own online store as well as Sony and ms. Steam may have saved the PC games but this storm over the horizon is going to kill it again.
As for the beta lasting... I will have to say your numbers are exaggerations vs what I have been hearing.
Then again CCP thinks this game launched in 2011... which was news to alot of us in IRC. |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 13:32:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:I asked a serious question. I AM SERIOUS.
Now let's be serious and wait for CCP to answer. No comments, no provocations: I just want an answer.
CCP can you fix the gameplay or not?
Serious Tryhards would have bothered leaving a post worthy of a dozen likes. |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 13:50:00 -
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Shogen Shu wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Templar Two wrote:It's time for you to answer this CCP. Please say something because the entire world knows Dust 514 is a poor FPS: the NDA din't work, nor the journalist made positive previews so you must address this.
Oh, and I am not trolling, I am serious. Can you explain what's broken? Outside the hit detection, memory leaks, lag, stability, lack of optimizatoin and character mobility model? I am quite serious. In the mechanic is something very wrong. I can't say what it is. Its just feels blunt, playing the game does not feel cocnnectet, its like we play in a viscous atmosphere where every thing is wrapped. Yesterday I played a little Killzone2. I remember this game as a "boring-action" but playing it after I use to Dust this game (Killzone2) feels like a manifestation. My curiosity force me to put BF3 back in to the PS3 and holyf*ck, let me tell you it feels so great. The game mechanic needs a lot more improvement. I'm not talking about the concept, this posting is dedicated only to the feeling of the mechanic.
At least your honest, I will have to agree that game feeling is often hard to capture and explain to other people.
I was able to express my views of why I don't like all the other games listed, I can literally do this to any game because I have played and extremely large number of games from bad to good. I've played plenty of bad games and I've played bad shooters passed off as good (cough socom all of them.) I am a stickler for patterns and math observations and I do enjoy the fun when its available and presented right.
Take Half Life 1/2. Half life if it where made of nothing but mine craft characters its a semi-decent shooter with some questionable controls/mechanics issues but they're not that bad of an issue. The massive issue in the game for me is I do not feel compelled to shoot the bad guys. Yes I know they're alien invaders of sorts or very hostile natural life forms but I cannot for the life of me be compelled to kill anything, I cannot tell you why this is, I can state possible reasons but they're reasons you cannot easily fix, is it lack of character? lack of innovation in the enemies? lack of story self? the list goes but I cannot explain why shooting combine has no satisfaction over shooting a fellow duster, covenant, or a terrorist. This quickly turns into a unfun aspect of game play extremely quick. |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 13:54:00 -
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actually now that I think about half life 2 in mine craft would be an improvement... |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 13:57:00 -
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N3i1c9k5 wrote:Only FPS I've enjoyed since Bad company 2, Duke Nukem, and if you want to include it, Savage 2, and I've played the first BC, BF3, any CoD that isn't MW3, CS, Combat Arms, avoided any of the other CoDs I.E, Killzones.
Both Bad company and Duke Nukem, were played solely to **** around on, and brought me the most fun I`ve had in any game. This, for playing properly, is just as good.
Only major issues I see,
Tank = God Dropship = God Modules don`t do enough. They need to make it more about who can design a fitting better than who can run `n` gun better. Logistics can take on every role DC's Invalid Fittings
Even Latency issues, and hit detection are working great at this point, anybody that's been complaining either has a garbage connection or can't aim.
Latency issues for me have been spikes, where it stutters graphically for few seconds at a time. HD is slightly erroneous on my end then again so is the auto aim I swore I turned off. As for drops ships never seen one I couldn't shoot down. Tanks on the other hand are getting a bit heavy handed next build. Luckily their HP isn't getting nerfed. |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 14:12:00 -
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I never noticed a keyboard and mouse player standing out of the crowd. |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 14:25:00 -
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Shogen Shu wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I never noticed a keyboard and mouse player standing out of the crowd. I did, i use to have a average K/D ratio about 1,3 depending on FPS. It was about the same in Dust to, now I'm at 0,8. I play always a "logistic" or a class who comes next to it. (I have a lot of other indications) BTW there is another problem, the problem being a logistic ( its a ccp wide problem, in eve online logic have a hard time as well). 1. It is tacking way to long to receive the points for repairing, repairing a Scout or a Assault is "pointless" (haha you get the wordplay?). Repairing makes only sense on a heavy or on a vehicle. 2. The second problem is that the unit you try to repair don't know that there is some one behind trying to help. So the very most people just runs out of your range. 3. Mini Map. it would be great if other players who are damaged could see remote armor repair units on the field. 4. Nano Injectors. Well ... Nano Injectors did work yes, but its hard as **** to get them in the person i like to revive. I would be nice if you could just hammering this thing right in to the one ling to your feet without making the "holy crap where the **** is this right spot dance" which looks like diarrhea to other who watching it. 5. Drop suits should get bonuses like 5% per skill on rap, or hacking speed, own repair amount, you could separate this between the races. 6. Leader-boards. Well this problem is in EVE very similar, the logistics don't get the tribute they should get. All you see is a top leader on the board who killed a lot of people without dying, but you don't see that there are three logis behind him, doing their best to keep him alive. More esteem for the logic would be nice. May be a support tap on the leader-board. The leader/squad management is broken as well.
There is another thread titled gun play thread in GD mind re-posting this there? |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 14:40:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=35578&find=unread here it is. If you elaborate further you'll get a better response.
Do note that on hacking there is a skill for it in the future. |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 15:17:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:We made threads about that, and much more, and CCP didn't answer. We elaborated and they din't answer.
This time I put things simply and you tell me to elaborate.
Did you search my feedback or not anyway?
Sorry 6+ pages of one line complaints are not helping. |
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